31-OCT-1997 22:36:44.00
From: IN%"StLMo@aol.com"
From: StLMo@aol.com
Subject: Unsold [3499]
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Allan and other Unsold partners,
IF the race stays on the grass I feel that Unsold will redeem himself and
quite possibly get his first win as a VOPster. But, with the rain in the
forecast, I have a feeling this race won't remain on the turf. In that case,
I think we should just drop the horse to a rock bottom claiming N2L
(preferably at the 6 1/2 f distance). He just may get up for 5th or 4th and
someone may be fooled into claiming him. I don't think we're going to get
much more in a private sale. Also, if he doesn't get claimed and we keep
him, he then would become eligible for some of those allowance starter races
for horses that have started for a cheap price.
I sure hope the race stays on but... LET"S SCRATCH if it comes off and go
for the easiest spot possible.
Any thoughts, comments?
Steve Moses
VOP MAIL PAGE
31-OCT-1997 18:48:47.17
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: An open letter to Unsold [3498]
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Unsold,
You got one last chance to prove Terry and the rest of
partnership that you deserve to run in VOP colors somewhere following
your rest and Monday is your BIG chance......I know that your ankle is
bothering you and that your last race wasn't that good but your trainer
has been working with you to get a win out of you and I personally feel
you can do it ......so get on the track and give it your best......
sincerely,
Allan
(one of your biggest fans)
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31-OCT-1997 18:43:35.38
From: IN%"tlbjork@ais.net" "Terry Bjork"
From: tlbjork@ais.net
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: FG information for Itbaya [3451] [3477] [3478] [3480] [3497]
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At 09:00 AM 10/31/97 -0600, Dale E. Herman wrote:
>I may vote to send Itbaya to FG cause I'm a sucker for "the action". And
>I can't think of anything better that the partnership will go for. And I
>really like Itbaya. But I won't expect a win. Most likely $2,000 X Nov,
>Dec, Jan, Feb, Mar + shipping expenses with a couple 3rds to show for it
>from four to five races.
On the plus side, there's somewhere close to $10k in Itbaya's account
right now, so the Nov., Dec., Jan., and probably Feb. cash calls are
already covered.
Incidentally - anyone negotiating a sale of their Itbaya shares should
probably remember to tack that horsemen's account money onto the agreed
upon sale price for the horse. After all, it's your money.
Terry
VOP MAIL PAGE
31-OCT-1997 18:38:57.72
From: IN%"milesm@slewpy.drf.com"
From: milesm@slewpy.drf.com
Subject: StableMail -- Unsold [3496]
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This is a notice from the Daily Racing Form's online StableMail which
informs you when certain horses will be running in the near future. You
are receiving this message because Unsold is entered to run
in the 3rd race at Hawthorne Park on November 3, 1997. For more information
about the race, be sure to check out Daily Racing Form's web site
at http://www.drf.com/ or view the entries for this race at
http://www.drf.com/entries/03/HAW.html.
You also wrote the following notes about this horse:
Other Information About this Race
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Race Type:
Purse: $12,000
Claiming Price for Unsold (if applicable): 17,500
Surface: Turf
Distance: 1 Mile
Jockey: Campbell J M
Post Position: 6
# of horses in race: 12
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If you'd like to remove Unsold from your list of horses to watch,
go to the StableMail removal form at http://www.drf.com/stablemail/remove.html.
VOP MAIL PAGE
31-OCT-1997 18:30:10.77
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Pappy's Arazi-like move!!!!!! [3482] [3492] [3495]
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Ed/all,
First of all---Let me welcome you back to the list----hope
your vacation was restful........you are somewhat correct the horse that
ran the fastest last time out is not nessasarily the horse to
bet...........As Mr shipp
found out the hard way.........I am confident in saying we all "knew"
Pappy was going to win the race and beat the one (at least I did)...and
she had run slower in her last than the one.....she had more inate
talent than the one
that was plain to see.......with your almost daily reports on her
progress (BTW thanks a lot for the reports) one could see that Pappy was
not going to be a maiden for long....whereas the one shot her best load
in her last and couldn't get the job done.......we knew pappy hadn't
even come close to running her best race (and StILL hasn't).....she was
still good enough to bury this field.
Allan
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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:57:41 -0800
From: Ed Blachaniec
Subject: Re: Fwd: Pappy's Arazi-like move!!!!!! [3482] [3492]
To: Allan Weston
Cc: virtual-owners@vop.org
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Been told many times that....time only means something if your sitting
in jail. ED B.
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VOP MAIL PAGE
31-OCT-1997 18:28:35.37
From: IN%"louisem@future.dsc.dalsys.com"
From: louisem@future.dsc.dalsys.com
Subject: Re: EMAIL WARNING [3405] [3494]
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BBrandt wrote:
>
> The Tech guys at our home office have informed me there is a new email
> bomb on the loose. They say the heading is Join The Crew! He also
> reminded me of the Penal Greetings.. message which he claims is still
> out there.
>
> I don't know how it all works, but he took time to let me know so I will
> pass it on.
>
> Brian B
These are both hoaxes. Check out the following sites:
http://www.kumite.com/myths/
http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html
VOP MAIL PAGE
31-OCT-1997 17:55:18.62
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
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Larry/all,
That was a very good middle quater (known to sprint
handicappers as turn time) ....and she tired from that effort (26+ last
quarter) still I bet it was visially impressive.....still these were you
garden variety maidens......Lets see what happen next out Vs
winners...she ran the worse 6f winning time of the of the day....she
have to improve to step up to the next level......
Allan
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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:09:24, -0500
From: DWRE56A@prodigy.com ( LARRY M MARCUS)
Subject: Pappy's Arazi-like move!!!!!! [3482]
To: virtual-owners@vop.org
Message-id: <199710311509.KAA19516@mime4.prodigy.com>
X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae01dm04sc03
Comments: Virtual-Owners-Partnership Mailing List
Congratulations to all of Pappy's owners on her tremendous victory
(now I wish I hadn't sold my share in her - yeah, I know - coulda,
woulda, shoulda)!!!!
I stole down to Foxwoods to see her run - put her with four horses in
the first in $10 doubles, and put her over 4 horses in her race in
$20 exactas (and threw away $48 more for the superfecta - where the
hell did that 7 horse comes from??). First race went as planned, so
I was alive for the double. Now it was up to Pappy.
The only way I can describe Pappy's middle quarter was to say it was
Arazi-like - five wide on Hawthorne's hairpin turns - moving from
11th to 2nd - ON THE TURN!!! Joe's fractions bore out the
impressiveness of that move - a sub-24 middle quarter - five wide, on
the turn. Truly magnificent. No one would be kidding themself if
they had high aspirations for her in the future - with her breeding
wanting her to stretch out, it looks like she has the speed and
talent to go a long way! Congratulations to her owners - I know how
excited I am about her, so you all must be sky high.
Anyway - my consolation for selling my share was my cashing in on
both her double and exacta - Thanks, Pappy (and thanks to that 41-1
first time starter for getting up for 2nd)! Congrats to Liane and
Ray - looking forward to her next!!
Larry
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VOP MAIL PAGE
31-OCT-1997 16:44:57.97
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: BC pp's [3490]
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V's,
Anyone who wants the BC pp's in pdf format let me know and I'll email it.
BEWARE its a 1.1mg file. Its readable with adobe acrobat.
ap
VOP MAIL PAGE
31-OCT-1997 14:14:02.07
From: IN%"pat.lyons@cbis.com" "Pat Lyons"
From: pat.lyons@cbis.com
Subject: Re: Pappy's Arazi-like move!!!!!! [3482] [3485] [3487] [3489]
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Tom,
You know, I need to check my facts a little better before I throw these
posts out there. You were exactly right, Unbridled's Song broke his maiden
August 26th, 1995, and it wasn't at Belmont it was at Saratoga! Good
Grief. Sorry about that. I do remember the move he made on the turn though!
Sorry bout' the confusion.
Pat
>
>
> >The only way I can describe Pappy's middle quarter was to say it was
> >Arazi-like - five wide on Hawthorne's hairpin turns - moving from
> >11th to 2nd - ON THE TURN!!! Joe's fractions bore out the
> Not trying to drum up anything more than an observation, but when I saw
> Unbridled's Song break his maiden at Belmont last year, it was the same
> type of move on the turn going 6 furlongs. Could it be a trait of
> Unbridled's horses?
>
Hi Pat,
Interesting post. I've posted previously about the eerie resemblance
in the dosage numbers between Paparouna and Unbridled's Song, specifically:
PAPAROUNA 7-4-9-0-6 (26) DI = 1.48 CD = 0.23
U'S SONG 9-4-7-0-6 (26) DI = 1.74 CD = 0.38
I'm thrilled to hear their running styles are similar. Then again,
US made a similar move in the Derby last year on the 2nd turn that
didn't work out so well, if I recall. And that was *two* years ago
that US broke maiden, wasn't it?
Paparouna had better stay out of the Paparazzi. I want her to stay in
*front* of the cameras as long as possible! Can't wait for her first
win pic!!
Tom C.
VOP MAIL PAGE
31-OCT-1997 13:20:10.14
From: IN%"Mike_Sasso-CMS040@email.mot.com" "Mike Sasso-CMS040"
From: Mike_Sasso-CMS040@email.mot.com
Subject: Test - ignore [3488]
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testing to determine if i'm out of e-mail prison
VOP MAIL PAGE
31-OCT-1997 10:50:13.00
From: IN%"pat.lyons@cbis.com" "Pat Lyons"
From: pat.lyons@cbis.com
Subject: Re: Pappy's Arazi-like move!!!!!! [3482] [3486]
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>The only way I can describe Pappy's middle quarter was to say it was
>Arazi-like - five wide on Hawthorne's hairpin turns - moving from
>11th to 2nd - ON THE TURN!!!
>
Not trying to drum up anything more than an observation, but when I saw
Unbridled's Song break his maiden at Belmont last year, it was the same
type of move on the turn going 6 furlongs. Could it be a trait of
Unbridled's horses?
VOP MAIL PAGE
31-OCT-1997 10:37:12.68
From: IN%"herman@enteract.com" "Dale E. Herman"
From: herman@enteract.com
Subject: Paparouna [3484]
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Larry Marcus wrote:
>The only way I can describe Pappy's middle quarter was to say it was
>Arazi-like
I hope this doesn't make Paparouna a member of the Paparazzi.
Dale H.
VOP MAIL PAGE
31-OCT-1997 10:20:58.84
From: IN%"DWRE56A@prodigy.com"
From: DWRE56A@prodigy.com
Subject: Itbaya at FG [3483]
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I vote to send Itsy to the FG with Liane. Based on Cal's figures,
and her present state of mind, I think she has a good chance to do
well down there. (And I'd be an idiot to make the same mistake
twice!- I'll keep my shares in her :-))
Larry
VOP MAIL PAGE
31-OCT-1997 10:14:11.01
From: IN%"DWRE56A@prodigy.com"
From: DWRE56A@prodigy.com
Subject: Pappy's Arazi-like move!!!!!! [3482]
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Congratulations to all of Pappy's owners on her tremendous victory
(now I wish I hadn't sold my share in her - yeah, I know - coulda,
woulda, shoulda)!!!!
I stole down to Foxwoods to see her run - put her with four horses in
the first in $10 doubles, and put her over 4 horses in her race in
$20 exactas (and threw away $48 more for the superfecta - where the
hell did that 7 horse comes from??). First race went as planned, so
I was alive for the double. Now it was up to Pappy.
The only way I can describe Pappy's middle quarter was to say it was
Arazi-like - five wide on Hawthorne's hairpin turns - moving from
11th to 2nd - ON THE TURN!!! Joe's fractions bore out the
impressiveness of that move - a sub-24 middle quarter - five wide, on
the turn. Truly magnificent. No one would be kidding themself if
they had high aspirations for her in the future - with her breeding
wanting her to stretch out, it looks like she has the speed and
talent to go a long way! Congratulations to her owners - I know how
excited I am about her, so you all must be sky high.
Anyway - my consolation for selling my share was my cashing in on
both her double and exacta - Thanks, Pappy (and thanks to that 41-1
first time starter for getting up for 2nd)! Congrats to Liane and
Ray - looking forward to her next!!
Larry
VOP MAIL PAGE
31-OCT-1997 10:05:04.51
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com
Subject: Re: FG information for Itbaya [3451] [3477] [3481]
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On Oct 30, 11:48pm, Dale E. Herman wrote:
> Subject: Re: FG information for Itbaya [3451] [3477]
>
> On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, Cal Jestice wrote:
>
> I'm not as optimistic. Here's a counter-argument for the sake of
> discussion.
>
> Itbaya was running just as well this time last year - two 2nds and a 3rd
> in 18K-20K races in her last three turf races in Illinois. From December
> through March 15 last year at FG she drew into only five races. The
> claiming races always filled with twelve horses and sometimes she didn't
> draw in. She only hit the board with a 3rd in one 25K race. One of those
> five races was taken off the turf and she finished 4th out of five horses
> in the slop.
OK, this year she has more wins than last year.
She'll also have two jockies that have ridden her in the
past so we won't have Randy Romero taking her 15 lengths
off the pace again or Kerwin trying to duel for the lead.
>
> She was 3rd by a head once on the turf there. In three other turf races
> she was beaten by 7, 5.5, and 14.25 lengths.
>
> Itbaya at FG turf: 4 - 0 - 0 - 1 (three 25K and one 30K)
And had she been 18 inches faster in one race, the
record would have been 4 -1-0-0 plus an extra $10K in earnings
which pays for the FG trip plus most of the year's training.
>
> Beyers - Schmeyers, that ain't good. I don't think Itbaya is any faster
> this year, nor do I see any reason to believe that Itbaya will get more
> than four turf races at FG.
I don't care if she's faster. I want her to be as
good as last year, not better. I think four races is reasonable.
As a matter of fact, I think we can make some money if Itbaya
gets three good shots at the 25K races.
Cal
VOP MAIL PAGE
31-OCT-1997 10:03:41.93
From: IN%"herman@enteract.com" "Dale E. Herman"
From: herman@enteract.com
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: FG information for Itbaya [3451] [3477] [3478] [3480]
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On Fri, 31 Oct 1997, Allan Weston wrote:
> Dale/all,
> Lets examine Itsy races for this year:
Allan,
That was a pretty good wrap up of Itbaya's last year. You could apply it
to the previous year. Or any other VOP horse. Or any other horse.
The racing secratary will always write races at the wrong level.
The racing secretary will always write races at the wrong distance.
The best jock for the horse will: - taken another ride.
- get hurt.
- do something stupid.
It will rain and races will come off the turf.
Your horse will get: - stuck in traffic.
- bumped at the start.
- any of a million equine health problems.
See ( I forget the author) the "Curse of Unsold" post from a couple months
ago for more examples. That's what I've learned in three years of
thoroughbred ownership. It's a tough game. To have a chance for a little
fun, a horse has to be put at a track where there are A LOT of races
written AT HER LEVEL. With a pure turfer like Itbaya, that's tough. FG
writes only a few filly and mare turf races, and they are a level too high
for Itbaya to win consistently.
I may vote to send Itbaya to FG cause I'm a sucker for "the action". And
I can't think of anything better that the partnership will go for. And I
really like Itbaya. But I won't expect a win. Most likely $2,000 X Nov,
Dec, Jan, Feb, Mar + shipping expenses with a couple 3rds to show for it
from four to five races.
Dale H.
VOP MAIL PAGE
31-OCT-1997 08:16:23.30
From: IN%"drew@ctnet.com" "Drew"
From: drew@ctnet.com
Subject: VOPster WWW tool kit [3479]
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V's,
I'm in the process of assembling a list of WWW resources that
VOPsters would find useful for VOP-related activities. You'll
find my current list attached below.
I'm inviting everyone to send me the URLs of their favorite
sites. I'll compile a new list and send it out. I'll also put
up a Web page eventually.
If you have something to contribute, just send me the title
and URL (and an optional brief description). It's probably
best to send those directly to me to avoid cluttering the list.
Also, I won't be including every single horse racing related
site, only the ones that a VOPster would find useful in his
or her capacity as a VOPster. (Example: we might all enjoy
the Blood Horse web site, but there's nothing specifically
VOPish about it.) True, some of my links are somewhat far
afield, but
----------
VOP Home Page
http://www.vop.org
BRIS Virtual Tote Board - monitor current odds from tracks
that are running right now. Also, get results from races as
they become official.
http://www.bristnet.com
- click on SuperTote RealTime Odds
Daily Racing Form Entries/Results - get entries and results
for every major track
http://www.drf.com:80/handicapping/handicapping.html
DRF Stablemail - sign up for email notification when a
particular horse runs.
http://www.drf.com/stablemail/index.html
Mining Company Horse Racing - a guide to the best racing
stuff on the 'Net, moderated by ex-VOPster Cindy Pierson
http://horseracing.miningco.com
Weather Forecasts - check the weather to predict track
conditions
http://www.weather.com
Weather forecast closest to Hawthorne/Sportsmans:
http://www.weather.com/weather/us/cities/IL_Chicago-Midway.html
Hawthorne Race Course Home Page
http://www.hawthorneracecourse.com
Sportsman's Park
http://www.sportsmanspark.com
Fair Grounds Race Track
http://www.fgno.com
Arlington International Race Course
http://www.arlington-intl.com
VOP MAIL PAGE
31-OCT-1997 04:15:28.75
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: Re: FG information for Itbaya [3451] [3477] [3478]
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Dale/all,
Lets examine Itsy races for this year:
1. Jan ?fg ---5.5 25k claims---too short for Itsy she starts 11th or
12th and clunks up for 5th
beaten by a class turfer in Waterford Wench
2. Feb 1fg ---7.5 25k claims---just missed in a good off the pace effort
3. Feb 24fg --8.0dirt nw3---The stuck horse race
indescion by the FG racing dept and our trainer causes us to get stuck
raced tooth and nail against class horse time to time before BADLY
fading
4. Mar 15fg --8.0 25k claims---with Romero hurt we call on Clark....who
foolishly races her near the lead which causes a fade at the end
5. Jun 29ap --8.5 nw3-after an aborted 25k claims off the turfer where
she properly scratches she clunks up to 5th against two class turfers
Trudy did it and swing to the beat
6. Jul 6ap ---8.0 25k claims---wheeled back on 6 days rest Itsy has her
most disappionting race of the season as she clunks up to 5th after
being held back during the early running by young rider Campbell
7. Jul 28ap--8.0 nw3---foolishly raced up ner the lead causes a fade
against some good turfers
8. Aug 9ap--8.5 16k starters--clunked up to 4th and almost 3rd against
class turfer La tour Jete
9. Aug 25ap--8.5 25k claims--nice off the pace effort takes lead in
strech only to get passed by class turfer Dress Shoes
10. Sep 11ap--8.5 16k claims--Off the pace against Lone speed misses in
a photo for second
11. Oct 8ap--8.0 16k claims--off the pace win
12. oct 22haw--8.0 14k claims--encounters traffic problems on hard turf
course and clunks up for third
Allan
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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:48:00 -0600 (CST)
From: "Dale E. Herman"
Subject: Re: FG information for Itbaya [3451] [3477]
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Comments: Virtual-Owners-Partnership Mailing List
On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, Cal Jestice wrote:
> After a few days of serious thought and research, my
> recommendation for Itbaya would be to continue racing her
> through 1998, starting at the Fair Grounds this winter. I looked
> up all filly turf races run last year and recorded the BSF's for
> the first three finishers, plus the purses. A table at the end of
> this post shows all the information.
>
> With Itbaya's average BSF of around 80, she would
> have hit the board in every 25K claimer at the Fair Grounds
> with the exception of one. That race was the one where Itbaya
> did run and lost the three way photo. Her best BSF this year
> would win each of the 25K claimers, a couple of the allowance
> and put her on the board in each filly FG turf race.
>
I'm not as optimistic. Here's a counter-argument for the sake of
discussion.
Itbaya was running just as well this time last year - two 2nds and a 3rd
in 18K-20K races in her last three turf races in Illinois. From December
through March 15 last year at FG she drew into only five races. The
claiming races always filled with twelve horses and sometimes she didn't
draw in. She only hit the board with a 3rd in one 25K race. One of those
five races was taken off the turf and she finished 4th out of five horses
in the slop.
She was 3rd by a head once on the turf there. In three other turf races
she was beaten by 7, 5.5, and 14.25 lengths.
Itbaya at FG turf: 4 - 0 - 0 - 1 (three 25K and one 30K)
Beyers - Schmeyers, that ain't good. I don't think Itbaya is any faster
this year, nor do I see any reason to believe that Itbaya will get more
than four turf races at FG.
> Itbaya is healthy and running well and I don't think
> that kind of horse should be weeded out of our stable.
I can't argue with that statement, but I think FG will likely be a waste
of time and money. Any other track for winter and spring requires a
trainer change, so I don't think that's going to happen.
I'm stuck in a Catch-22.
Itbaya is a cool horse. I'd love to keep racing her. But I don't relish
the thought of writing cash call checks for 9.35% of $2,000/month when the
only payback is probably a 3rd place finish close enough to put her in
someone else's win photo. That's not fun.
If we won't put her at a track where she can compete to WIN, with more
than one chance per month to race, maybe we SHOULD sell her to someone who
will. Or put her on the farm until summer. Or someone convince me that
Itbaya is faster this year. One win at 25K at FG with an $18,500 purse
would about pay for the trip.
Grumpy Ol' Dale H.
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31-OCT-1997 00:51:21.65
From: IN%"herman@enteract.com" "Dale E. Herman"
From: herman@enteract.com
Subject: Re: FG information for Itbaya [3451] [3477]
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On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, Cal Jestice wrote:
> After a few days of serious thought and research, my
> recommendation for Itbaya would be to continue racing her
> through 1998, starting at the Fair Grounds this winter. I looked
> up all filly turf races run last year and recorded the BSF's for
> the first three finishers, plus the purses. A table at the end of
> this post shows all the information.
>
> With Itbaya's average BSF of around 80, she would
> have hit the board in every 25K claimer at the Fair Grounds
> with the exception of one. That race was the one where Itbaya
> did run and lost the three way photo. Her best BSF this year
> would win each of the 25K claimers, a couple of the allowance
> and put her on the board in each filly FG turf race.
>
I'm not as optimistic. Here's a counter-argument for the sake of
discussion.
Itbaya was running just as well this time last year - two 2nds and a 3rd
in 18K-20K races in her last three turf races in Illinois. From December
through March 15 last year at FG she drew into only five races. The
claiming races always filled with twelve horses and sometimes she didn't
draw in. She only hit the board with a 3rd in one 25K race. One of those
five races was taken off the turf and she finished 4th out of five horses
in the slop.
She was 3rd by a head once on the turf there. In three other turf races
she was beaten by 7, 5.5, and 14.25 lengths.
Itbaya at FG turf: 4 - 0 - 0 - 1 (three 25K and one 30K)
Beyers - Schmeyers, that ain't good. I don't think Itbaya is any faster
this year, nor do I see any reason to believe that Itbaya will get more
than four turf races at FG.
> Itbaya is healthy and running well and I don't think
> that kind of horse should be weeded out of our stable.
I can't argue with that statement, but I think FG will likely be a waste
of time and money. Any other track for winter and spring requires a
trainer change, so I don't think that's going to happen.
I'm stuck in a Catch-22.
Itbaya is a cool horse. I'd love to keep racing her. But I don't relish
the thought of writing cash call checks for 9.35% of $2,000/month when the
only payback is probably a 3rd place finish close enough to put her in
someone else's win photo. That's not fun.
If we won't put her at a track where she can compete to WIN, with more
than one chance per month to race, maybe we SHOULD sell her to someone who
will. Or put her on the farm until summer. Or someone convince me that
Itbaya is faster this year. One win at 25K at FG with an $18,500 purse
would about pay for the trip.
Grumpy Ol' Dale H.
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30-OCT-1997 22:20:38.89
From: IN%"BobProc@aol.com"
From: BobProc@aol.com
Subject: Re: Paparouna milestone [3475] [3476]
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Congrats on #20, TB and thanks for all the support. I'm getting win photo
#1, and counting.
Bob P. ;-)
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30-OCT-1997 22:13:04.18
From: IN%"tlbjork@ais.net" "Terry Bjork"
From: tlbjork@ais.net
Subject: Paparouna milestone [3475]
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Just as a FYI - Paparouna's win photo will be #20 in my win photo album!
Can't wait to pick it up on Saturday, and here's hoping for all you
Paparouna owners for whom it'll be the first, #20 will come for you
even faster than it did for me! And believe me, that photo will be
on the VOP page about 4:00 pm on Saturday!
Terry, still psyched about this one (the 2yo plan having been mine ;-) )
VOP MAIL PAGE
30-OCT-1997 19:29:53.80
From: IN%"BobProc@aol.com" "BobProc"
From: BobProc@aol.com
Subject: Re: WOW! [3448] [3454] [3471]
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Joe,
Please put me down for a copy of the video ONLY! ;-). After mucking her
stall, Pancho can do whatever he usually does with the "produce". Anthony P.,
please please please get me one of her shoes to hang over her win photo.
Thanks much!
Still flying,
Bob P.
VOP MAIL PAGE
30-OCT-1997 17:20:23.62
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: Its in the barrel [3470]
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V's,
In another unrelated note:
phase 3 in the wine making process is over. Its in the barrel for aging.
It will be ready in 6 mo but I'll wait til VOPalooza 98. Its a red pappion 97.
It tastes good!
ap
VOP MAIL PAGE
30-OCT-1997 16:59:12.07
From: IN%"ChgNick@aol.com"
From: ChgNick@aol.com
Subject: Full results and comments from Pappy's race via Equibase [3469]
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I've attached the full results and comments from Pappy's race. You have to
read the comments to get an idea of just how well she ran yesterday.
Nick Urso
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Hawthorne Race Course - October 29th, 1997 - Race 2
=0D
Maiden Special Weight - For Thoroughbred Two Year Old Fillies Six Furlong=
s on the Dirt
Purse: $17,500 Reverts: $9,555
Includes/Plusses: $9,555 (Other sources) =
Value of Race: $17,500 1st $10,500, 2nd $3,500, 3rd $1,925, 4th $1,050, =
5th $525
Off at: 1:26 Start: Good for all but 2 =
Track: Fast Weather: Clear
=0D
Pgm Horse Name (Jockey) Wgt Med/Eq PP SP 1/4 1/=
2 Stretch Finish Odds
--- --------------------------------- --- ------ -- --- -------- ----=
---- -------- --------- --------
4 Paparouna (Sibille, R.) 120 L 4 10 10-3 6-1=
/2 3-Head 1-1 4.90 =
2 Penny for Thoughts (Laviolette, S 120 2 12 12 12 =
6-2 2-3/4 41.40 =
11 Alaskan Tuner (Emigh, C.) 120 L 11 6 8-1 4-1=
/2 4-1 3-Neck 11.50 =
7 Cajun Moon (Razo Jr, E.) 120 L 7 3 3-1/2 3-1=
2-1/2 4-3/4 9.80 =
9 Cyndi's Glitter (Silva, C.) 120 9 2 2-1 2-1=
1/2 1-Head 5-1 1/4 33.50 =
12 Royal Doris (Schaefer, G.A.) 120 b 12 11 11-4 11-2=
8-1/2 6-2 1/2 35.40 =
1 You Devil (Fires, E.) 120 L b 1 1 1-1 1/2 1-1=
/2 5-2 7-1 0.70*
8 Nothin'S E Z (Marquez, A.) 120 f 8 5 6-Head 8-2=
7-Head 8-Head 39.20 =
5 Chandi Rani (Lasala, J.) 120 5 8 7-Head 10-1=
1/2 9-5 9-13 1/2 41.70 =
6 Secret Goodbye (Meier, R.) 120 L b 6 4 4-Head 7-H=
ead 10-2 10-1 1/2 6.40 =
10 Born to Be Wild (Baird, E.T.) 120 L b 10 7 5-1 1/2 5-1=
/2 11-1 11-1 115.50 =
3 Muscles Malone (Sorrows Jr, A.) 120 L bf 3 9 9-1 9-1=
12 12 93.10 =
=0D
Winner : Paparouna - Bay Filly, 1995 =
Pedigree: Unbridled - Laurasia, by Pancho Villa
Breeder : Dion A. Recachina in KY =
=0D
Fractional Times: 22.30 46.51 59.68 1:13.31
=0D
Pgm Horse Name Win Place Show
--- ---------- --- ----- ----
#4 Paparouna 11.80 6.20 4.20 =
#2 Penny for Thoughts 29.60 14.20 =
#11 Alaskan Tuner 8.40 =
=0D
Wager Type Winning Numbers Payoff Pool Carry=
over
Daily Double 5-4 75.80 47,323.00
Exacta 4-2 306.40 71,920.00
Superfecta 4-2-11-7 10676.20 9,964.00
=0D
#4 Paparouna: steady advance, wore down rivals, driving, 5 wide
#2 Penny for Thoughts: off slowly, lugged in, wide early, closed with a=
rush, 6 wide
#11 Alaskan Tuner: quick move, drew even, stretch, between horses, weake=
ned
#7 Cajun Moon: never far back, drew even, stretch, between horses
#9 Cyndi's Glitter: never far back, late lead inside
#12 Royal Doris: void early speed, 8 wide stretch, no rally
#1 You Devil: set pace, faltered, inside
#8 Nothin'S E Z: evenly, no rally
#5 Chandi Rani: through early, failed to menace
#6 Secret Goodbye: brief foot, gave way
#10 Born to Be Wild: second flight backstretch, empty
#3 Muscles Malone: through early, outrun
=0D
Owners: 4--Virtual Owners Partnership (Cal Jestice, et al.); 2--Kenneth R=
=2E Keene; 11--Arthur I. Weiss; =
7--R. Zaloudek, A. Henderson & Emerald Ridge Farm (Christi; =
9--Orumila Farm Corporation (David & Aida Rodriguez; 12--David Ne=
iman; 1--Barry Shipp & Joseph Aramanda; =
8--Estate of Hoss Inman (Virginia Inman); 5--Kissoon Thoroughbred=
s, et al. (Deon Kissoon, Et Al.); =
6--Craigwood Stable (Robert & Brenda Craig); 10--John Leung & Jo=
hn Glasshof; =
3--Darwin Olson & Steve Kampa
=0D
Trainers: 4-Liane P. Davis, 2-Diane Chadwick, 11-Thomas F. Tomillo, 7-Chr=
istine K. Janks, 9-Moises R. Yanez, =
12-Scott S. Holas, 1-Gene A. Cilio, 8-Charlie Livesay, 5-Bernel=
l B. Rhone, 6-James R. McMullen, =
10-Joseph E. Kasperski Jr., 3-Jeanne P. Fedor=
--Boundary_[ID_8EgKjI30RCzozgrodNovKQ]--
VOP MAIL PAGE
30-OCT-1997 13:48:09.92
From: IN%"ploopo@lamar.colostate.edu" "Paul Loopo"
From: ploopo@lamar.colostate.edu
Subject: RE: FG information for Itbaya [3467]
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Hi Partners,
Although this is one of those very rare instances where I don't see eye-to-eye with
Terry, I say:
- Itsy seems to continue fit and ready to run
- Her current form should be competitive at FG
- Send her to FG --- PROVIDED THAT LIANE ACTUALLY GOES
I don't want out so I hope that the partners agree.
Sincerely,
Paul
VOP MAIL PAGE
30-OCT-1997 13:19:40.22
From: IN%"Sally_Jestice-CSJ007@email.mot.com" "Sally Jestice-CSJ007"
From: Sally_Jestice-CSJ007@email.mot.com
Subject: Pappy win pictures [3466]
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Paparouna owners -
Cal has ordered the winners circle pictures and will be picking them up on
Saturday. We'll get them ready to mail out first thing Monday. If any one is
going to pick up their picture at Hawthone before Saturday afternoon or
wants to pick it up later, please let Cal know. Also, if anyone ways an
extra (Cal always got one for home and one for work until the pile of
pictures at work got too big to manage) just let Cal know - he appreciates
any opportunity to tell me "but I _have_ to go to the track today" and leave
me home with Brian and the Barney tapes!
Sally
VOP MAIL PAGE
30-OCT-1997 12:06:34.52
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com
Subject: Re: Pappy [3464] [3465]
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On Oct 30, 11:50am, ChgNick@aol.com wrote:
> Subject: Pappy [3464]
> What a great feeling!! As this is my first partnership and first horse, to
> get a win on her second race, I could not ask for anything better. As
> everyone says, there's no feeling like watching your horse cross the finish
> line in front. Thanks to Cal for putting the partnership together and Liane
> and the gang for getting Pappy ready.
>
> On a side note, I haven't been to the stables at sportsmans yet. Can someone
> inform me on were the stabels are and what barn we are in?
Liane is stabled in barn B at Sportsmans. Park in
the lots across Laramie Ave. As soon as you go through the
gates and sign in, Liane's barn will be right in front of
you. She's in the NW corner of the barn.
Cal
>
>
> Way to go Pappy,
>
> Nick Urso
>-- End of excerpt from ChgNick@aol.com
VOP MAIL PAGE
30-OCT-1997 11:53:33.81
From: IN%"ChgNick@aol.com"
From: ChgNick@aol.com
Subject: Pappy [3464]
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What a great feeling!! As this is my first partnership and first horse, to
get a win on her second race, I could not ask for anything better. As
everyone says, there's no feeling like watching your horse cross the finish
line in front. Thanks to Cal for putting the partnership together and Liane
and the gang for getting Pappy ready.
On a side note, I haven't been to the stables at sportsmans yet. Can someone
inform me on were the stabels are and what barn we are in?
Way to go Pappy,
Nick Urso
VOP MAIL PAGE
30-OCT-1997 11:34:39.84
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com
Subject: Paparouna Pictures [3463]
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Y'all,
I'll be going to Hawthorne on Saturday to
pick up the Paparouna pictures. They should be
mailed out on Monday. If anyone wants to get their
copy at the track, let me know and I'll leave it.
If anyone wants an extra copy, please let
me know and I'll order them. Cost of the picture
is $17.
Cal
VOP MAIL PAGE
30-OCT-1997 10:20:29.12
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: RE: It's Over !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [3445] [3455] [3462]
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Ca,,
I agree with Joe. At least one race this year assuming she fine out of this
race.
ap
At 08:03 AM 10/30/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Cal,
>Yes, Pappy has been in training for a long period of time and she will
>need a brief rest prior to her three year campaign. However, I hate to
>put her on the shelf when we still don't know how good a horse she is.
>Granted she is a two year old and a horse's two year old campaign is not
>necessary the true gauge of how a horse will compete in their later
>years, I still wouldn't mind seeing her race one more time before we
>give her a rest. It looked like she still had a lot left after the race
>(Liane will know better day) and it didn't look like she was going all
>out. A race with a clean break, against winners, could give us a decent
>idea of her level of competitiveness. If we raced her one more time in
>late November, we could rest her for five or six weeks, ship her to the
>Fairgrounds and get her in shape down there and she would be ready to
>run in early March. We would also have a gauge as to the level to run
>her at at the Fair Grounds. If she is a potential stakes horse, Liane
>will need to put a different plan together than if she a allowance or
>high claimer level horse.
>
>I hate seeing a fit horse put up when they are making progress,
>especially a young horse. But, it's always better to do it sooner than
>later.
>
>Again, I am not a trainer, just my opinion. I am very impressed with
>Pappy. By showing she can come from way off the pace she shows signs
>that she may have the flexibility to lead, rate or close. This is great
>because, barring a bad break, she should always be in the race, whether
>it's a fast pace, slow pace, coming out of the 1 or the 12 hole. If we
>can just get her out of the gate with a decent break, we will greatly
>improve her chances. Anyway, enough rambling. I'm sure Liane will have
>the ulimate decision, but I wanted to throw out my opinion.
>Joe P
>
>
>>Cal wrote:
>> There are no plans for Paparouna. Liane is going to
>>wait to see how she comes off the race, but we need to keep
>>in mind that she's been in training for almost a full year and
>>will need a break. I don't want to dampen anyone's hopes,
>>but don't be surprised if Liane wants to give Paparouan a
>>month or so off and come back at the Fair Grounds. Anyhow,
>>it's too early to tell so let's hope she comes off the race sound.
>>
>>Cal
>>
>>Footnotes:
>>
>>1. Via evolution, the default meeting place for VOPsters at
>>the track is the bar closest to the finish line. We don't stand
>>there, but will wander by looking for other partners. If you're
>>ever in for a race and we don't have a meeting place picked
>>out, you know where to wait.
>>
>>2. Once or twice a year, I feel confident about a race and bet
>>enthusiastically (still lower than Steve Lewis amounts). I've
>>been right most of the times and as the horse moves
>>out of the turn, I get a bit loud and arrogant. It involves my
>>moving from the grandstand to the winners circle telling
>>everyone nearby about the certainty of the finish of the race.
>>My wife is trying to break me of this habit.
>>
>>
>
>
VOP MAIL PAGE
30-OCT-1997 10:19:39.81
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com
Subject: BC Pick 6 [3461]
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Y'all,
I've received a little over $1,000 so far
for the pick 6. On Saturday, I'm going to post a
list of all money received so far. I've you've sent
a check and don't see your name on the list, please
contact me. I'm estimating we'll collect around
$1,500.
For those wanting to get started on the BC,
the DRF's BC preview edition went on sale today. It
has a one page overview of each race, plus the PP's
of all potential starters in each race.
Cal
VOP MAIL PAGE
30-OCT-1997 10:17:29.06
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com
Subject: Re: FG information for Itbaya [3451] [3457] [3460]
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On Oct 30, 8:44am, mikep@ameritech.net wrote:
> Subject: Re: FG information for Itbaya [3451] [3457]
> Cal,
>
> Can't shares in Itbaya be offered for sale per our own web page.
> (by those owners interested in selling)
> There are many new partners waiting and maybe other interest by existing
> partners.
>
Yes, that can be done. I was just making sure
the folks that wanted out before the end of the year had
an option to do so at an established price. They are
free to sell or keep their shares as they wish.
Cal
> ap
>
>
>
>
>
> At 12:16 PM 10/30/97 +0000, you wrote:
> >Y'all,
> >
> > After a few days of serious thought and research, my
> >recommendation for Itbaya would be to continue racing her
> >through 1998, starting at the Fair Grounds this winter. I looked
> >up all filly turf races run last year and recorded the BSF's for
> >the first three finishers, plus the purses. A table at the end of
> >this post shows all the information.
> >
> > With Itbaya's average BSF of around 80, she would
> >have hit the board in every 25K claimer at the Fair Grounds
> >with the exception of one. That race was the one where Itbaya
> >did run and lost the three way photo. Her best BSF this year
> >would win each of the 25K claimers, a couple of the allowance
> >and put her on the board in each filly FG turf race.
> >
> > Itbaya is healthy and running well and I don't think
> >that kind of horse should be weeded out of our stable. She's
> >proven she can handle the FG turf course and we'll have both
> >Randy Romero and Mark Guidry there to ride her. Itbaya has
> >only been in training for about six months, so she should be
> >good to go for another four or five more. She's at the top of
> >her game and the purses at the FG are very nice.
> >
> > I'd like to take a vote in the near future in this. So,
> >all Itbaya partners put some thought into this.
> >
> > I understand that some partners wish to end their
> >involvement with VOP after being in for over 2 years. I'm
> >exceptaionally grateful for their participation and will offer
> >to buy their shares. I'll set the price at $8,000. This was
> >the offer for Itbaya from Kate Mills last year and it was more
> >than she was appraised for as a brood mare and more than
> >we're likely to get now.
> >
> >Cal
> >
> >=================================
> >
> > Date Level Dist Win Place Show Purse Win Place
Show
> >11/28/96 AW 8.0 85 85 83 $28,000 $16,800 $5,600
> >$3,080
> >12/22/96 N3X 8.5 86 84 79 $25,000 $15,000 $5,000
> >$2,750
> > 1/18/97 25K 5.5 83 80 76 $18,400 $11,040 $3,680
> >$2,024
> > 2/1/97 25K 7.5 80 80 80 $20,300 $12,180 $4,060
> >$2,233
> > 2/1/97 25K 7.5 81 81 81 $20,300 $12,180 $4,060
> >$2,233
> > 2/3/97 N4X 8.0 91 81 77 $30,500 $18,300 $6,100
> >$3,355
> > 2/9/97 30K 8.0 84 83 80 $21,000 $12,600 $4,200
> >$2,310
> > 2/20/97 AW 5.5 92 88 78 $36,000 $21,600 $7,200
> >$3,960
> > 3/6/97 AW 5.5 87 85 83 $36,000 $21,600 $7,200
> >$3,960
> > 3/6/97 40K 7.5 92 88 85 $24,300 $14,580 $4,860
> >$2,673
> > 3/8/97 Stk150 9.0 102 84 83 $150,000 $90,000 $30,000
> >$16,500
> > 3/15/97 25K 8.0 84 76 76 $24,400 $14,640 $4,880
> >$2,684
> > 3/16/97 N3X 8.0 84 84 80 $34,000 $20,400 $6,800
> >$3,740
> > 3/17/97 AW 8.5 84 83 79 $36,000 $21,600 $7,200
> >$3,960
> > 3/22/97 25K 5.5 83 81 77 $26,400 $15,840 $5,280
> >$2,904
> >
> >
>-- End of excerpt from mikep@ameritech.net
VOP MAIL PAGE
30-OCT-1997 10:16:52.02
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: RE: WOW! [3448] [3454] [3459]
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At 07:39 AM 10/30/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Bob,
>Maybe Pancho, after he shovels out Pappy's stall, he can send you a bag
>of...,ah.., NEVERMIND. Congrats to all Pappy's partners, especially the
>newbees.
Don't knock it. It's excellent fertilizer.
If you want I can try to tell pancho to save her shoes.
ap
>Joe P
>
>>----------
>>From: BobProc@aol.com[SMTP:BobProc@aol.com]
>>Sent: Thursday, October 30, 1997 5:10 AM
>>To: virtual-owners@vop.org
>>Subject: WOW! [3448]
>>
>>Partners,
>>
>>When I joined VOP in April, both Terry B. and Joe P. welcomed me by saying
>>"you won't believe the feeling when your horse wins". Well, what I"m
feeling
>>today was wonderful... I'm still on a high that no chemical could ever
>>produce, and i really CAN'T believe it. Thank you Cal, Liane, Herschell,
>>Pancho, Paparouna, and partners! Wheeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!! Send me the photo,
>>the video, one of her shoes and whatever else you got to make this last! And
>>let's do this again sometime!
>>
>> Ecstatic,
>> Bob P. 8-)
>>
>
>
VOP MAIL PAGE
30-OCT-1997 09:49:55.05
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: Re: FG information for Itbaya [3451] [3457]
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Cal,
Can't shares in Itbaya be offered for sale per our own web page.
(by those owners interested in selling)
There are many new partners waiting and maybe other interest by existing
partners.
ap
At 12:16 PM 10/30/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Y'all,
>
> After a few days of serious thought and research, my
>recommendation for Itbaya would be to continue racing her
>through 1998, starting at the Fair Grounds this winter. I looked
>up all filly turf races run last year and recorded the BSF's for
>the first three finishers, plus the purses. A table at the end of
>this post shows all the information.
>
> With Itbaya's average BSF of around 80, she would
>have hit the board in every 25K claimer at the Fair Grounds
>with the exception of one. That race was the one where Itbaya
>did run and lost the three way photo. Her best BSF this year
>would win each of the 25K claimers, a couple of the allowance
>and put her on the board in each filly FG turf race.
>
> Itbaya is healthy and running well and I don't think
>that kind of horse should be weeded out of our stable. She's
>proven she can handle the FG turf course and we'll have both
>Randy Romero and Mark Guidry there to ride her. Itbaya has
>only been in training for about six months, so she should be
>good to go for another four or five more. She's at the top of
>her game and the purses at the FG are very nice.
>
> I'd like to take a vote in the near future in this. So,
>all Itbaya partners put some thought into this.
>
> I understand that some partners wish to end their
>involvement with VOP after being in for over 2 years. I'm
>exceptaionally grateful for their participation and will offer
>to buy their shares. I'll set the price at $8,000. This was
>the offer for Itbaya from Kate Mills last year and it was more
>than she was appraised for as a brood mare and more than
>we're likely to get now.
>
>Cal
>
>=================================
>
> Date Level Dist Win Place Show Purse Win Place Show
>11/28/96 AW 8.0 85 85 83 $28,000 $16,800 $5,600
>$3,080
>12/22/96 N3X 8.5 86 84 79 $25,000 $15,000 $5,000
>$2,750
> 1/18/97 25K 5.5 83 80 76 $18,400 $11,040 $3,680
>$2,024
> 2/1/97 25K 7.5 80 80 80 $20,300 $12,180 $4,060
>$2,233
> 2/1/97 25K 7.5 81 81 81 $20,300 $12,180 $4,060
>$2,233
> 2/3/97 N4X 8.0 91 81 77 $30,500 $18,300 $6,100
>$3,355
> 2/9/97 30K 8.0 84 83 80 $21,000 $12,600 $4,200
>$2,310
> 2/20/97 AW 5.5 92 88 78 $36,000 $21,600 $7,200
>$3,960
> 3/6/97 AW 5.5 87 85 83 $36,000 $21,600 $7,200
>$3,960
> 3/6/97 40K 7.5 92 88 85 $24,300 $14,580 $4,860
>$2,673
> 3/8/97 Stk150 9.0 102 84 83 $150,000 $90,000 $30,000
>$16,500
> 3/15/97 25K 8.0 84 76 76 $24,400 $14,640 $4,880
>$2,684
> 3/16/97 N3X 8.0 84 84 80 $34,000 $20,400 $6,800
>$3,740
> 3/17/97 AW 8.5 84 83 79 $36,000 $21,600 $7,200
>$3,960
> 3/22/97 25K 5.5 83 81 77 $26,400 $15,840 $5,280
>$2,904
>
>
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30-OCT-1997 09:40:52.95
From: IN%"joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com" "Pacheco, Joe"
From: joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com
Subject: Fractions for Pappys [3456]
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Y'all,
I computed some rough fractions for Pappy during her race. They are as
follows:
23.70 1/4 (10th, 7 lengths back, 22.30 fraction)
47.11 1/2 (6th, 3 lengths back, 46.51 fraction)
59.88 Stretch (3rd, head (computed as a length), 59.68 fraction)
1:13.31 finish (1st)
She did the final 2 furlongs in 26.2. I'll be relying on Al, or one of
your other handicappers, to figure her speed rating.
Cheers!
Joe P
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30-OCT-1997 08:47:18.28
From: IN%"drew@ctnet.com" "Drew"
From: drew@ctnet.com
Subject: Re: FG information for Itbaya [3451] [3453]
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>my
>recommendation for Itbaya would be to continue racing her
>through 1998, starting at the Fair Grounds this winter.
It seems like a win or place finish or a pair of show
finishes would pay for the trip to FG, and Cal has pro-
vided evidence that Itsy can pull this off. So it sounds
like racing, at least through the FG meet, is a good
idea.
That goes through the end of March. At that point, a
month or two off would be in order, and by the time
she was back in training and ready to race, the turf
course at Hawthorne should be open.
Not a bad plan. Of course, if she stinks up the joint
at FG, we can abort the rest of the plan and sell her,
either in New Orleans or back in Chicago.
===============================================================
For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Drew Ivan drew@ctnet.com
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30-OCT-1997 08:01:04.86
From: IN%"StLMo@aol.com"
From: StLMo@aol.com
Subject: Pappy's Win [3452]
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CONGRATULATIONS Pappy partners!!
Stopped in at the ole OTB parlor to put a few bob on Pappy's nose. I thought
almost 5-1 was a generous price considering she was the second choice. Could
not believe the public bet the favorite down to even money.
Anyway, Pappy didn't have the greatest start. She broke a little hesitantly,
probably because the three horse veered at the start. Fortuntately, she did
not bother Pappy too much. Pappy raced in 10th position for awhile and then
made a bold move on the far turn. She was in contention at the top of the
stretch but still in mid-pack and VERY wide. Ray gave her a couple of cracks
of the whip and she continued to close slowly. Finally, three quarters of
the way down the stretch she took command. I think Ray smacked her one more
time just to keep her mind on business and then he just showed her the whip.
I didn't feel she was all out at the wire. I thought it was an impressive
win.
Again, congrats to the Pappy team.
Steve Moses
VOP MAIL PAGE
30-OCT-1997 07:22:23.18
From: IN%"Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com" "Cal Jestice"
From: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com
Subject: FG information for Itbaya [3451]
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Y'all,
After a few days of serious thought and research, my
recommendation for Itbaya would be to continue racing her
through 1998, starting at the Fair Grounds this winter. I looked
up all filly turf races run last year and recorded the BSF's for
the first three finishers, plus the purses. A table at the end of
this post shows all the information.
With Itbaya's average BSF of around 80, she would
have hit the board in every 25K claimer at the Fair Grounds
with the exception of one. That race was the one where Itbaya
did run and lost the three way photo. Her best BSF this year
would win each of the 25K claimers, a couple of the allowance
and put her on the board in each filly FG turf race.
Itbaya is healthy and running well and I don't think
that kind of horse should be weeded out of our stable. She's
proven she can handle the FG turf course and we'll have both
Randy Romero and Mark Guidry there to ride her. Itbaya has
only been in training for about six months, so she should be
good to go for another four or five more. She's at the top of
her game and the purses at the FG are very nice.
I'd like to take a vote in the near future in this. So,
all Itbaya partners put some thought into this.
I understand that some partners wish to end their
involvement with VOP after being in for over 2 years. I'm
exceptaionally grateful for their participation and will offer
to buy their shares. I'll set the price at $8,000. This was
the offer for Itbaya from Kate Mills last year and it was more
than she was appraised for as a brood mare and more than
we're likely to get now.
Cal
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Date Level Dist Win Place Show Purse Win Place Show
11/28/96 AW 8.0 85 85 83 $28,000 $16,800 $5,600
$3,080
12/22/96 N3X 8.5 86 84 79 $25,000 $15,000 $5,000
$2,750
1/18/97 25K 5.5 83 80 76 $18,400 $11,040 $3,680
$2,024
2/1/97 25K 7.5 80 80 80 $20,300 $12,180 $4,060
$2,233
2/1/97 25K 7.5 81 81 81 $20,300 $12,180 $4,060
$2,233
2/3/97 N4X 8.0 91 81 77 $30,500 $18,300 $6,100
$3,355
2/9/97 30K 8.0 84 83 80 $21,000 $12,600 $4,200
$2,310
2/20/97 AW 5.5 92 88 78 $36,000 $21,600 $7,200
$3,960
3/6/97 AW 5.5 87 85 83 $36,000 $21,600 $7,200
$3,960
3/6/97 40K 7.5 92 88 85 $24,300 $14,580 $4,860
$2,673
3/8/97 Stk150 9.0 102 84 83 $150,000 $90,000 $30,000
$16,500
3/15/97 25K 8.0 84 76 76 $24,400 $14,640 $4,880
$2,684
3/16/97 N3X 8.0 84 84 80 $34,000 $20,400 $6,800
$3,740
3/17/97 AW 8.5 84 83 79 $36,000 $21,600 $7,200
$3,960
3/22/97 25K 5.5 83 81 77 $26,400 $15,840 $5,280
$2,904
VOP MAIL PAGE
30-OCT-1997 06:59:45.38
From: IN%"HORSEA2@aol.com"
From: HORSEA2@aol.com
Subject: Paparouna's win [3450]
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Hey Everybody,
Well aol has been experiencing e-mail problems so I haven't been able to get
through until this morning. Wow, Like Jame Brown Use to Sing: "I feel Good ,
Like I Knew that I would". This is so wonderful. Thank's to Liane and her
Staff. I have dreamed about this since I was old enough to know what a horse
race was and this win is everything I thought it would be and more.
Paparouna YOU GO GIRl!!!!!!!!!!
Karen
VOP MAIL PAGE
30-OCT-1997 06:59:29.47
From: IN%"HORSEA2@aol.com"
From: HORSEA2@aol.com
Subject: Paparouna's win [3449]
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Hey Everybody,
Well aol has been experiencing e-mail problems so I haven't been able to get
through until this morning. Wow, Like Jame Brown Use to Sing: "I feel Good ,
Like I Knew that I would". This is so wonderful. Thank's to Liane and her
Staff. I have dreamed about this since I was old enough to know what a horse
race was and this win is everything I thought it would be and more.
Paparouna YOU GO GIRl!!!!!!!!!!
Karen
VOP MAIL PAGE
30-OCT-1997 06:14:06.60
From: IN%"BobProc@aol.com"
From: BobProc@aol.com
Subject: WOW! [3448]
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Partners,
When I joined VOP in April, both Terry B. and Joe P. welcomed me by saying
"you won't believe the feeling when your horse wins". Well, what I"m feeling
today was wonderful... I'm still on a high that no chemical could ever
produce, and i really CAN'T believe it. Thank you Cal, Liane, Herschell,
Pancho, Paparouna, and partners! Wheeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!! Send me the photo,
the video, one of her shoes and whatever else you got to make this last! And
let's do this again sometime!
Ecstatic,
Bob P. 8-)
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 22:58:12.74
From: IN%"tlbjork@ais.net" "Terry Bjork"
From: tlbjork@ais.net
Subject: Re: THANK YOU [3446] [3447]
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At 09:49 PM 10/29/97 -0800, Ed Blachaniec wrote:
>steps to clean them out etc. Anyhow it was a wonderful day and
>experience. I am not ashame to admit I had tears in my eyes for
>experiencing an event that can not be explained to a non-horse howner.
>Congratulations partners. We have a lot to be proud of. VERY HAPPY
>TRAILS .....ED B.
Ed B. was quite a sight today. I've never seen such a happy camper.
Congrats to Ed and all the other first timers in on Paparouna.
Terry
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 22:02:37.26
From: IN%"trifectawinner@sprintmail.com"
From: trifectawinner@sprintmail.com
Subject: THANK YOU [3446]
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Michelle and I just recently returned from spending a month in Florida.
What a homecoming. We want to thank Liane, Hershell, Cal, Pancho and the
rest of the grooms and hotwalkers. Spending many mornings at AP this
summer I witnessed first hand the time, effort and hard work that is
takes to get the horses to the starting gate. An experience not easy to
forget. We watched the race today from the 3rd floor. I was reporting
the race to Michelle thru my binoculars and she was trying to relate the
happenings to her daughter on the cell phone. At the end of the race, I
don't know who was screaming louder me or her. By the time we got down
to the winners circle Paparouna was entering the area. She was coated
with mud but looked like a Million Dollars to all of us. Has drinks at
the bar afterwards (thanks Steve) and smiles could have been felt from
coast to coast. Michelle and I sat with Barry Shipp (owner of the #1
horse) and I have to tell you that he was extremely confident that his
filly was a run away winner. We went down the elevator together to
saddle the horses and wished each other good luck. Earlier his trainer
and my friend Gene Cilio came up to me and mentioned the Unbridled is
standing for $60,000 + and he was probably wondering how in the hell I'm
involved in such a high priced sire. Anyhow we went back to the barn
after the last race. Hershell was still there along with Pancho. I
noticed immediately that our Paparouna's eyes looked puffy or almost
closing and she naturally was tired. Poncho informed me that she a lot
of dirt etc. kicked into her face and eyes and he took the necessary
steps to clean them out etc. Anyhow it was a wonderful day and
experience. I am not ashame to admit I had tears in my eyes for
experiencing an event that can not be explained to a non-horse howner.
Congratulations partners. We have a lot to be proud of. VERY HAPPY
TRAILS .....ED B.
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 21:46:35.24
From: IN%"Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com" "Cal Jestice"
From: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com
Subject: It's Over !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [3445]
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Y'all,
It was an absolutely gorgeous day for racing
in Chicago with clear skies and the temperature in the
mid 50's. I was able to get out of work early enough
to get to the track 30 minutes before the first post.
Walking through the track, I met up with Terry
Bjork, Anthony Palermo and Steve Lewis. We quickly
handicapped the second race and agreed that we all
liked Paparouna's chances. The first round of beverages
were bought and we sat down to handicap the daily double.
I liked the 3,5&7 in the first race and used them vigorously,
but also bought out the first half to be safe.
While waiting for the first to go off, VOPsters,
Jeff Yelke, Bob Jungles, Nick Urso & Sean Callahan made
it in[1]. All agreed that Paparouna should do well in the second.
Watching the first race from our spot, I was rewarded to
see one of my prime DD candidates win the first. It was
looking good as another round was bought and I headed
down to the paddock for the second.
In the paddock, I found Ed Blachaniec schmoozing
the competition, but he did take time out to say hello 8^).
Paparouna came in looking calm and took a few laps around
the paddock while the other horses came in. Liane and I
talked a bit about the race. She was worried about the #1
horse. I had looked up her previous race and she quite on
an easy lead and was beaten by a 15K maiden claimer.
I was worried about some of the first time starters and used
them over Paparouna as a saver for my double. Ray came
out and was unusually quiet. I think he was feeling some
pressure after the trouble he got into in his last couple of
rides. Liane told Ray to just get the horse away from the
gate and get a clean trip. If Paparouna broke slowly, Ray
was to let her relax and make one move.
Paparouna headed out to the track and I went and
bet her under all the first time starters to back up my double.
Paparouna was very quiet and calm on the track. I was a
bit concerned, but I always prefer horses to be more docile
than aggitated. I headed up to our spot with about seven
minutes to post and Bob Jungles bought the next round.
Paparouna did not want to load into the gate. It
took several tries, but she finally went in. There were no
other bad behaviors and the race was off. Paparouna came
out a little slow, but settled nicely in 10th about eight lengths
off the lead. Heading towards the turn, Ray and Paparouna
were moving up nicely and they went wide. Paparouna made
a tremendous move five wide on the turn, passing eight horses.
About halfway through the turn, my alter-ego[2] decided that
a win was near and wanted to join the party. As Paparouna
moved into fourth, I turned to Steve Lewis and shouted, "it's
over!". Steve looked at me, blinked twice and went back to
watching the race. I gave Steve another, "it's over" and started
walking towards the winner's circle. Moving through the crowd
and telling anyone that I passed that, "it's over", I went out to
the apron and started gathering VOPsters. Ray kept a strong
handride on Paparouna down the stretch and she won by a
widening two lenghts.
Afterwards, a large crowd gathered in the winner's
circle and the photographer had to back up several steps
onto the track to get everyone in. Ray was very impressed
with Paparouna's effort and said he could have won by more
if he had used the whip. She wasn't graceful coming out of
the gate again and that probably has to do a lot with her
size. Ray said Paparouna had something left at the wire
and should do better going long. After the winner's circle,
Steve Lewis bought the next round after being wise enough
to use the first time starters under Paparouna also. Hugs
and handshakes were passed around at the bar and I gave
Liane a C-note for Pancho back at the barn.
Slowly partners begin to drift back to work and Ed
took everyone who wasn't wearing casual close up to the
turf club for another round. The rest of the day was kinda
blurry, but I cashed a few more bets and waited until I was
in some reasonable shape to drive home. I stopped by the
barn around 4:00 and Paparouna was back in her stall and
feeling happy. KLH was whinnying for attention and I stopped
by to talk a bit. His groom came by to fill KLH's water buckey
and Kristy pinned him against the wall and started licking him
on the neck and face. I've never seen a horse behave that way,
but the groom said KLH shows tremendous affection all the
time. Everyone else was getting ready for dinner at the barn,
so I made my way back to the car and headed home.
There are no plans for Paparouna. Liane is going to
wait to see how she comes off the race, but we need to keep
in mind that she's been in training for almost a full year and
will need a break. I don't want to dampen anyone's hopes,
but don't be surprised if Liane wants to give Paparouan a
month or so off and come back at the Fair Grounds. Anyhow,
it's too early to tell so let's hope she comes off the race sound.
Cal
Footnotes:
1. Via evolution, the default meeting place for VOPsters at
the track is the bar closest to the finish line. We don't stand
there, but will wander by looking for other partners. If you're
ever in for a race and we don't have a meeting place picked
out, you know where to wait.
2. Once or twice a year, I feel confident about a race and bet
enthusiastically (still lower than Steve Lewis amounts). I've
been right most of the times and as the horse moves
out of the turn, I get a bit loud and arrogant. It involves my
moving from the grandstand to the winners circle telling
everyone nearby about the certainty of the finish of the race.
My wife is trying to break me of this habit.
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 19:44:28.98
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: Re: Pappy results [3443] [3444]
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Pat,
Welcome to VOP....pick up a chair, take off your shoes and stay a
spell........your among good company......
Allan
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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:20:54 -0500
From: Pat Lyons
Subject: Re: Pappy results [3443]
To: virtual-owners@vop.org
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My sincere congrats to the Owner's of Pappy!
I am a new VOP'er, and was put on the VOP list about a week ago. So I have
been lurking here just trying to figure out how everything works
It was a little over a month ago I was monitoring, the September sale on
the Keeneland homepage and trying to figure out how I could get more
involved, and somehow I came across the VOP web sight. My favorite horse of
all-time is Unbridled. I've only gone to see the Derby once and I bet
Unbridled at 10-1, and it paid for my whole trip. When I saw Pappy, I just
had to join up! Glad that you let me in....Thanks.
Anyway, I broke away for a late lunch and went to the Oakbrook OTB. Saw the
race. It looked like a very bad start. But when I saw her picking up the
horses on the turn I new she was going to do it, Her class came to light.
Great win! Again, congrats!
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29-OCT-1997 19:32:16.20
From: IN%"pat.lyons@cbis.com" "Pat Lyons"
From: pat.lyons@cbis.com
Subject: Re: Pappy results [3443]
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My sincere congrats to the Owner's of Pappy!
I am a new VOP'er, and was put on the VOP list about a week ago. So I have
been lurking here just trying to figure out how everything works
It was a little over a month ago I was monitoring, the September sale on
the Keeneland homepage and trying to figure out how I could get more
involved, and somehow I came across the VOP web sight. My favorite horse of
all-time is Unbridled. I've only gone to see the Derby once and I bet
Unbridled at 10-1, and it paid for my whole trip. When I saw Pappy, I just
had to join up! Glad that you let me in....Thanks.
Anyway, I broke away for a late lunch and went to the Oakbrook OTB. Saw the
race. It looked like a very bad start. But when I saw her picking up the
horses on the turn I new she was going to do it, Her class came to light.
Great win! Again, congrats!
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 19:19:59.17
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: Re: Fwd: pappy [3411] [3440] [3442]
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Sorry allen, I forgot to include your copywrite tag.
Its a long walk accross the street.
ap
>AP,
> KOD is under trademark protection....when you go to work
>tomorrow.....go to the FBI offoce and turn yourself in........
>
> AW
>Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:24:50 -0600
>From: mikep@ameritech.net
>Subject: pappy [3411]
>X-Sender: mikep@mailhost.chicago.il.ameritech.net
>To: virtual-owners@vop.org
>Message-id:
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>
>V's,
>
>I'm glad not to be the favorite! its the KOD.
>
>a $20 double from the 3,4 and 7 to #4 is in order.
>
>ap
>
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 18:18:57.23
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: The pappy [3441]
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Partners,
What a geat win for Liane, VOP, and Ray (as much as I am
on him.....he deserves credit......he did make any mistakes) and of
courses........drumroll..........the owners.........I am greatly
suprised by the price I figured to get 3 -1 or so......(steve you didn't
bet enough)....I missed the exacta but I had Pappy on top so thats
enough.........I was stuck at work so I didn't see the race.......Pappy
did what she had to do to win.........congrads to Elvis and Jeff for
correctly picking the margin of victory (Elvis) and the correct winning
time (Jeff) they both win
the pappy contest.......Where Karen's post I know you are out there
lurking......I am so excited when i saw that Pappy had won I could
almost spit........I had extreme confidence in Pappy.......now onward to
bigger and better......again congrads to the owners and Liane....2 VOP
winners in three weeks...now we are talking........
Allan
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 18:02:11.25
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: pappy [3411] [3440]
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AP,
KOD is under trademark protection....when you go to work
tomorrow.....go to the FBI offoce and turn yourself in........
AW
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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:24:50 -0600
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: pappy [3411]
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V's,
I'm glad not to be the favorite! its the KOD.
a $20 double from the 3,4 and 7 to #4 is in order.
ap
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VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 17:46:43.64
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: Re: STUPID! [3421] [3437] [3439]
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AP,
I guess they are not on the list to read my comments on the
one.....
AW
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Subject: Re: STUPID! [3421] [3437]
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I wrote down my 2 $10 exacta's 4-2 and 4-11.
Guess which one I played!!!!!!!!!!
Luckily I had a straight win bet.
The owners of the 1 horse were near the winners circle gate! sorry maybe
next time.
Congrats to EVERYONE!!!!!
Someone pick out a stakes race.
ap
At 02:37 PM 10/29/97 -0600, you wrote:
>VOP:
>
>I woke up this morning with great anticipation to see Pappy run. I went
>to work early, so I could get my work done and headed out the door at
>noon. It took me an hour to drive to Prairie Meadows and I could hardly
>sit still in the car. I walked up to the door to get in to PM and I
>reached in my back pocket to get my ID to get into the track. My heart
>sank when I reached back for my wallet, cause it wasn't there. I forgot
>my ID at home and there was no way they were going to let me in. To say
>the least I was very upset with myself. Boy am I dumb.
>
>Driving home I called phonebet and they told me the results. People on
>the freeway were probably wondering what the hell I was clapping for.
>Congrats to all Pappy owners.
>
>Is it too late to supplement her for the BC Juvenile? :)
>
>Eric Dawson
>
>
>PS. Will someone be making a tape of the race, cause I need one to show
> off to all my friends that are sick of me talking about Pappy. And
> if anyone has done anything dumber than what I did today please
> post, maybe it will make me feel better. :)
>
>
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VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 17:45:30.25
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: allen where are you? [3438]
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aw,
You were so excited before the race where are you?
there was a large turnout for the event.
ap
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 17:43:28.58
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: Re: STUPID! [3421] [3437]
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I wrote down my 2 $10 exacta's 4-2 and 4-11.
Guess which one I played!!!!!!!!!!
Luckily I had a straight win bet.
The owners of the 1 horse were near the winners circle gate! sorry maybe
next time.
Congrats to EVERYONE!!!!!
Someone pick out a stakes race.
ap
At 02:37 PM 10/29/97 -0600, you wrote:
>VOP:
>
>I woke up this morning with great anticipation to see Pappy run. I went
>to work early, so I could get my work done and headed out the door at
>noon. It took me an hour to drive to Prairie Meadows and I could hardly
>sit still in the car. I walked up to the door to get in to PM and I
>reached in my back pocket to get my ID to get into the track. My heart
>sank when I reached back for my wallet, cause it wasn't there. I forgot
>my ID at home and there was no way they were going to let me in. To say
>the least I was very upset with myself. Boy am I dumb.
>
>Driving home I called phonebet and they told me the results. People on
>the freeway were probably wondering what the hell I was clapping for.
>Congrats to all Pappy owners.
>
>Is it too late to supplement her for the BC Juvenile? :)
>
>Eric Dawson
>
>
>PS. Will someone be making a tape of the race, cause I need one to show
> off to all my friends that are sick of me talking about Pappy. And
> if anyone has done anything dumber than what I did today please
> post, maybe it will make me feel better. :)
>
>
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 17:02:50.08
From: IN%"RBDN74A@prodigy.com"
From: RBDN74A@prodigy.com
Subject: Pappy [3434]
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Well done girl!!!!!!
This will make it easier to fill out the cash call for October. :)
Cal, pls pass congrats on to Liane.
Regards Joe
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 16:50:47.39
From: IN%"cnlcronin@voyager.net"
From: cnlcronin@voyager.net
Subject: Paparouna Zone [3433]
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I take it the "Paparouna Zone" page will be having a little bit of an
update... :)
Viva Papa Rouna!
LC
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 16:42:37.79
From: IN%"RJVS65A@prodigy.com"
From: RJVS65A@prodigy.com
Subject: YEEESSSSSSS!!! WHEEEEEEEE! [3432]
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Partners,
That was the best rush I've ever had and I was saving plenty of
emotion for the Indians winning the World Series. I made a complete
idiot of myself and the rummys at the track were not too pleased to
see me and Lori jump around like, well, like "we" won the race. It
was in a word, great!
She appeared to have a fair to poor break from the gate and
settled in about 6 lengths from the lead. At the far turn, it looked
like Ray got her a little outside and enough room to start gaining on
the field. She gained steadily and at the clubhouse turn, Ray looked
to be blocked from splitting any of the horses and the leaders were
already four wide. He took her around them, let here go and her
stride was long and beautiful. I thought I saw another gear from her
after she got an open lane coming out of the turn and was a champ
down the stretch.
Afterwards, she looked great trotting around the track. Before
the race, in the little I could see of her, she looked very calm.
The whole thing was a thing of beauty and she had a clean trip and
made the most of her opportunities.
Take my observations with a grain of salt because I was so
excited, I missed the fractions and the head-on replay. I, too, went
home with more in my pocket than I came with and the kids will be
treated with a Pizza Hut dinner. (I will leave the mints there...;>
)
Anyway, congrats to all and put me down for a copy of the video,
winners circle picture, commorative mugs, pennants, t-shirts, and any
other merchandise that comes out!
WHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Jim Fitz
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 16:34:14.57
From: IN%"Rich4544@concentric.net" "Richard R. Buettner"
From: Rich4544@concentric.net
Subject: Congratulations [3431]
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CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL OF PAPPY'S OWNERS.....
Wish I could have been there...
Rich B.
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 16:31:20.17
From: IN%"Rich4544@concentric.net" "Richard R. Buettner"
From: Rich4544@concentric.net
Subject: Re: Pappy results [3418] [3430]
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CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL OF PAPPY'S OWNERS....
Wish I could have been there.....
Rich B.
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 16:23:37.48
From: IN%"debbderl@uic.edu"
From: debbderl@uic.edu
Subject: Persistant Poppy Wins! [3428]
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V's;
Just got back from the beautiful Mudbug OTB...what a run by our girl!
At the first call, the track anouncer had her at 10th, and then she really
took off. I'd like to see her start off a little faster... otherwise I'm
going to need CPR after every race. :^)
She was IMPRESSIVE; hope she comes off the race OK and it's on to bigger and
better things.
And she can have any kind of mint she wants!!
Debby D
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29-OCT-1997 16:22:37.40
From: IN%"elvis@mcs.com"
From: elvis@mcs.com
Subject: 2 more cents on "Poppacherry: A Maiden No More!" [3427]
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Thanks to Steve for buying the round that counted: the one I stayed
for. I think it's reasonable to believe we have something here (the
horse, not someone buying a round).
By the way, the elvisware picked horse from the first race lost by a
nose in a photo, which deprived this corporation of 4 figures in
winnings.
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 16:10:30.03
From: IN%"elvis@mcs.com"
From: elvis@mcs.com
Subject: Re: Ray of Hope [3417] [3426]
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> A large crown of VOPers welcomed her back to the Winner's Circle.
> I have to say that's the best thing I've seen on TV in a long time.
>
This is one to keep on video. Watching the confidence at which she
passed the 8 horses ahead of her and held the lead on that killer
stretch is something to watch over and over again. If they include the
Winner's Circle shot on TV it would make for something that video stores
could rent out.
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 16:06:37.70
From: IN%"elvis@mcs.com"
From: elvis@mcs.com
Subject: Re: Pappy Results [3416] [3425]
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Drew wrote:
>
> DRF reports that Pappy won!!!
>
> Time 1:13'1
>
> 4 - PAPAROUNA 11.80 6.20 4.20
> 2 - PENNY FOR THOUGHTS 29.60 14.20 wow!
> 11- ALASKAN TUNER 8.40
>
The wow! translates to a $306 exacta, which is why a substantial amount
of people are right now making our highways more dangerous in one of
Hawthorne's more elegant watering holes.
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 15:39:19.62
From: IN%"Sunwalker@warpnet.net" "Sunwalker Ostrich Ranch"
From: Sunwalker@warpnet.net
Subject: Paparouna Passemalla !! [3422]
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All
Just got back from the OTB and seeing Pappy romp
home a winner. Looked like she broke well and settled
in about 5th, 2 or 3 paths off the rail. Ray started to
move in the turn and blew by everyone to win in the
clear.When Ray pulled her up to come back around,
she looked like she was ready to do it again.
Big crowd in the winner's circle. A few familiar faces,
a few unfamiliar, but all beaming with excitement!
Congrats to Liane, Cal, and all the Pappy People!!!
Reckon the Pic 6 pool just got a little bigger?
Ed Blair
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29-OCT-1997 15:38:12.49
From: IN%"ldawson@netins.net"
From: ldawson@netins.net
Subject: STUPID! [3421]
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VOP:
I woke up this morning with great anticipation to see Pappy run. I went
to work early, so I could get my work done and headed out the door at
noon. It took me an hour to drive to Prairie Meadows and I could hardly
sit still in the car. I walked up to the door to get in to PM and I
reached in my back pocket to get my ID to get into the track. My heart
sank when I reached back for my wallet, cause it wasn't there. I forgot
my ID at home and there was no way they were going to let me in. To say
the least I was very upset with myself. Boy am I dumb.
Driving home I called phonebet and they told me the results. People on
the freeway were probably wondering what the hell I was clapping for.
Congrats to all Pappy owners.
Is it too late to supplement her for the BC Juvenile? :)
Eric Dawson
PS. Will someone be making a tape of the race, cause I need one to show
off to all my friends that are sick of me talking about Pappy. And
if anyone has done anything dumber than what I did today please
post, maybe it will make me feel better. :)
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 15:33:06.61
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: YESSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!! [3420]
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V's,
By now everyone knows pappy won. Thanks to Steve L. for the round.
A very profitable day for most!
Ray said that she moved on the leaders without him even asking her.
She mowed em down and shes not even a sprinter!
The rest is history.
ap
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29-OCT-1997 15:25:14.02
From: IN%"cnlcronin@voyager.net"
From: cnlcronin@voyager.net
Subject: HOORAY! [3419]
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YAY, Pappy!
I cannot believe it (well, yes I can!)--I was sitting at the barn
watching my horse get shod and thinking "Damn, I wish I was at the
track!" WHAT A GOOD FILLY! MY FIRST WIN AS A VOP'STER! (Only took 15
months!)
To quote Don Allana....GIMME THAT WIN PHOTO, BABY! And please put me
down for a copy of the video, if available. Yippeeee!
Did she come off OK and does she know what a good girl she is??
Lynn
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 14:56:50.83
From: IN%"LREN83A@prodigy.com"
From: LREN83A@prodigy.com
Subject: Pappy results [3418]
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Pappy owners,
Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Steve Ostman
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29-OCT-1997 14:56:14.68
From: IN%"channic@kcco.com" "Tom Channic"
From: channic@kcco.com
Subject: Ray of Hope [3417]
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Well, it looked like a replay of Paparouna's last race. She
came out of the gate well behind the field and looked like she
had nowhere to go. I counted her in 9th going into the turn.
But Ray, wise rider that he is, just stayed wide -- 6 or 7 wide
coming out of the turn -- and moved sharply up to the leaders.
Our girl just mowed 'em down in the stretch and handily held
off a late challenge from the 2 who made a strong but futile
move on Paparouna's outside that came up about a length and a half
short.
A large crown of VOPers welcomed her back to the Winner's Circle.
I have to say that's the best thing I've seen on TV in a long time.
Congrats to Liane and her staff, Ray and all the owners and may
the new streak continue!!
Tom C.
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29-OCT-1997 14:47:22.78
From: IN%"drew@ctnet.com" "Drew"
From: drew@ctnet.com
Subject: Pappy Results [3416]
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DRF reports that Pappy won!!!
Time 1:13'1
4 - PAPAROUNA 11.80 6.20 4.20
2 - PENNY FOR THOUGHTS 29.60 14.20 wow!
11- ALASKAN TUNER 8.40
Way to go, Pappy!
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For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain.
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Drew Ivan drew@ctnet.com
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VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 14:44:47.59
From: IN%"channic@kcco.com" "Tom Channic"
From: channic@kcco.com
Subject: VICTORY!! [3415]
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Paparouna wins paying $11.80 6.20 4.20 in 1:13.1.
More to follow...
Tom C.
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 12:54:21.09
From: IN%"kgrace@injersey.com" "Ken Grace"
From: kgrace@injersey.com
Subject: Re: Unsold, KLH, LL [3372] [3388] [3390] [3413]
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> The tax strategy looks like a good idea. Maybe I could charge the loss against
> stock market gains!;-)
>
> We can deduct the loss if the particular horse is sold or claimed?? can we?
>
> ap
Yes, once a particular horse partnership is closed out you can deduct
any passive losses, including those you might have carried forward from
previous years. The K-1 you receive for the last year will have a
notation that it is a "final K-1".
Ken
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 12:35:09.92
From: IN%"elvis@mcs.com"
From: elvis@mcs.com
Subject: For what it's worth [3412]
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The Daily Herald has PP third based on effort in last race.
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 12:30:21.96
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: pappy [3411]
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V's,
I'm glad not to be the favorite! its the KOD.
a $20 double from the 3,4 and 7 to #4 is in order.
ap
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 11:31:45.61
From: IN%"drew@ctnet.com" "Drew"
From: drew@ctnet.com
Subject: Re: Chicago Tribune Picks (and other datums) [3407] [3408] [3409]
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>>Winning post positions yesterday were 5-4-4-10-9-7-4-6-4.
>>Terry, is it possible to have back to back 4 days?
>>(Yes, all the #4 posts were #4 saddlecloths, too.
>
>I haven't tested this theory b4. It could happen, I guess. I sure
>hope so!
From a less numerological perspective, one might draw a different
conclusion from these data. Out of nine races, six were won by
horses in the 4/5/6 post positions. The remaining three winners
were from the outside post positions. No horses starting from the
inner three post positions won!
Perhaps the track is faster in the middle or, as they say, the
rail is dead. Alas, we're in the second race, so we won't have
much time to see if this pattern is holding up today. Moreover,
Ray has no mount in the first, so he won't be able to find out
for himself how the rail is playing. Perhaps Herschell noticed
something during the morning works?
You might mention the possibility of a dead rail to Ray. A 6f
race is only around one turn, so we won't be losing much ground
by staying 2 or 3 wide.
Furthermore, a dead rail bodes ill for the favorite, YOU DEVIL,
who is starting from one hole.
In double-checking, it seems that the 6th race was won by the #1
horse, not the #7.
For yesterday's 9 races:
# horses PP 1-3 that won: 1
# horses PP 1-3 that finished 2nd: 1
# horses PP 1-3 that finished 3rd: 2
Seems like horses in the inner post positions aren't doing well
at all!
PP 4 had 4 wins and a second for the day. Wow!
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For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Drew Ivan drew@ctnet.com
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VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 11:07:28.46
From: IN%"tlbjork@ais.net" "Terry Bjork"
From: tlbjork@ais.net
Subject: Re: Chicago Tribune Picks (and other datums) [3407] [3408]
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At 09:51 AM 10/29/97 -0600, Tom Channic wrote:
>Winning post positions yesterday were 5-4-4-10-9-7-4-6-4.
>Terry, is it possible to have back to back 4 days?
>(Yes, all the #4 posts were #4 saddlecloths, too.
I haven't tested this theory b4. It could happen, I guess. I sure
hope so!
Terry
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 10:55:23.98
From: IN%"channic@kcco.com" "Tom Channic"
From: channic@kcco.com
Subject: Chicago Tribune Picks (and other datums) [3407]
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Looks like the Trib handicappers didn't read the DRF picks.
Only Neil Milbert has our girl in the money (2nd).
Dave Surico puts her 7th at expected odds of 8-1 with the portentous
although arguably inaccurate comment "Threat on drop". Did she
run in a stakes race we don't know about? YOU DEVIL is Surico's
best bet of the day, and the Tribune Consensus best bet as well.
It's a cool but pleasant morning here in the not-too-windy city.
Should hit 50+F by post time (4hrs 5min, but who's counting).
All in all a great day for starting another winning streak.
Insufficient data for me to handicap this bunch. Hopefully, YD
will get most of the backing, and P will be a solid underlay
with a great shot on a big effort. Track was fast, but times
were slow yesterday. No horse with a lead at 4 furlongs won a
race yesterday.
Winning post positions yesterday were 5-4-4-10-9-7-4-6-4.
Terry, is it possible to have back to back 4 days?
(Yes, all the #4 posts were #4 saddlecloths, too. They paid:
$7.80, $9.60, $3.40, and $11.20 for a 77.77% return on investment,
not to mention the 220% return on the eight 4-4 doubles!!)
Viva la quattro! Viva la Paparouna!!
Tom C.
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 10:28:37.46
From: IN%"bbrandt@COMMUNIQUE.NET" "BBrandt"
From: bbrandt@COMMUNIQUE.NET
Subject: EMAIL WARNING [3405]
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The Tech guys at our home office have informed me there is a new email
bomb on the loose. They say the heading is Join The Crew! He also
reminded me of the Penal Greetings.. message which he claims is still
out there.
I don't know how it all works, but he took time to let me know so I will
pass it on.
Brian B
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 10:16:09.86
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com
Subject: Re: Nat's Effort [3347] [3348] [3349] [3374] [3404]
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On Oct 27, 9:59pm, Falstafguy@aol.com wrote:
> Subject: Re: Nat's Effort [3347] [3348] [3349] [3374]
> In a message dated 97-10-25 23:36:33 EDT, mikep@ameritech.net writes:
>
> <<
> What is the day rate for training at Sam?
> What is the shipping cost?
> What is the average purse we would be running for? (where we could win)
> >>
> VOPers,
> I didn't ask anyone at Sam about day rates. Cal, have you spoken to Liane
> or anyone about those rates? Also I'm sure Cal could give us a ballpark
> figure on shipping.
She thought day rates would be about the same as
Fairmount Park ($30/day). Shipping will be expensive.
Since there's no realy Chicgo<->Texas racing circuit,
there won't be a regular scheduled van run. Going one
way, we'll probably be looking at $1,200/horse. It
will probably be cheaper to ship to the Fairgrounds
and get a shuttle to SH.
Cal
>
> Darrell B
>-- End of excerpt from Falstafguy@aol.com
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 10:11:50.99
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: Re: Tri Wagering? [3399] [3403]
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Race 2 is a $2 exacta, $1 superfecta and $2 daily double
At 07:59 AM 10/29/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Y'all,
>Does naybody know if there will be trifecta wagering for the 2nd race at
>Hawthorne?
>Thanks
>Joe P
>
>
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 10:09:40.31
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com
Subject: Re: Unsold, KLH, LL [3372] [3402]
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On Oct 27, 6:17pm, Terry Bjork wrote:
> Subject: Unsold, KLH, LL [3372]
>
> Cal -
>
> Could you refresh us on the nature of Unsold's problems? If he's sore
> in a front hoof and now getting sore in the back end, I can't see the
> point of trying to get another race out of him.
>
Unsold's problem is the calcification of his
ankles. The left is worse than the right. They are
sore when he runs and tries to relieve pressure from
them by having his back legs to more work than they
should and he gets sore behind. This problem is man-
agable for the short term, but it will not improve.
Arthritis is a one way street and all that can be done
is treat the symptoms.
Liane's recommendation is still to sell the
horse. He will not get better and will be difficult
to keep in shape because training causes discomfort.
She believes Unsold can get one more race this year
before needing a break.
She doesn't have a recommendation for a SH
trainer. The only person she knows that is competent
and has run in Texas is Sam David. However he's
based out of LA and will probably have his entire
operation at the Fair Grounds and will go back to
Lone Star over the summer.
> In re: KLH - does Liane think this problem is going to get worse? If
> so, why don't we just take him off the track now while he's reasonably
> sound and try to get some sort of decent price for him as a riding
> horse, rather than waiting till the problem is back to serious or
> the knee totally blown out?
Her explaination was that the problem was
an expected complication from the surgery. I will
talk to her about it more today.
>
> Finally re: LL - The girl who has Major, Jennifer, says LL looks
> like a hunter-jumper prospect. I'd be in favor of trying to find
> a buyer for LL, soon, rather than keeping on with the racing
> attempts till the end of the year. LL might finally break that
> N2L condition, but then after that what do we do?
I agree and Liane is shopping around for buyers.
However, if Jenifer has someone that's looking, let's
have her get in touch with Liane to look at Lady. If
she wants to make an offer, I'm sure the partners will
listen.
Cal
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 09:39:07.81
From: IN%"HORSEA2@aol.com"
From: HORSEA2@aol.com
Subject: Paparouna race [3401]
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Hello,
I can't be there today, so I will pour all my excitment and nerves into
making cheesecakes and horse shaped cookies for my office mates who are of
couse very, very happy that Paparouna is running today. And please no more
pizza hut mints, OK.
Karen
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 09:07:24.69
From: IN%"joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com" "Pacheco, Joe"
From: joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com
Subject: Tri Wagering? [3399]
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Y'all,
Does naybody know if there will be trifecta wagering for the 2nd race at
Hawthorne?
Thanks
Joe P
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 08:13:45.80
From: IN%"drew@ctnet.com" "Drew"
From: drew@ctnet.com
Subject: Re: Paparouna's romp [3394] [3398]
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>Anyway, just a note to say that there is plenty of excitement here in
>Cleveland!
Ditto from this corner of C-land. Alas, I'm not sure I'll be able
to shake loose in the middle of the day for Pappy's race. :(
One good thing about Itsy is that she's usually in the 8th or 9th,
and I can cheese out early to get to the track.
Anyway, I'll be glued to the results pages and looking forward to
VOPsters posted accounts of the race!
Go Pappy!
===============================================================
For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Drew Ivan drew@ctnet.com
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VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 06:25:55.97
From: IN%"elvis@mcs.com"
From: elvis@mcs.com
Subject: Sun-Times on PP race [3397]
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Not as enthusiastic as DRF:
Feldman - You Devil (4-5!), Cyndi's Glitter, Alaskan Tuner, PP 4th (8-1)
(When I used to track elvisware results against the Sun-Times, Feldman's
shining point used to be maiden races)
Clocker - Paparouna, Cajun Moon, You Devil (Is this the same as Trackman
in DRF?)
Program - You Devil, Cajun Moon, Alaska Devil, PP about 5th
Krish - You Devil, Secret Goodbye, Alaskan Tuner
Consensus - You Devil (consensus pick of the day), Cajun Moon, PP
In the first race, the clocker likes my favorite, Malory Elizabeth, to
start my daily double.
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 06:11:19.94
From: IN%"tlbjork@ais.net" "Terry Bjork"
From: tlbjork@ais.net
Subject: Re: Paparouna's romp [3394] [3396]
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At 12:00 AM 10/29/97 -0500, MR JIM S FITZWATER wrote:
>All you local partners give her a carrot (as she does not like
>peppermints much, at least not the ones I lifted from Pizza Hut) and
>a cheer for me.
Eeeeeewwwwwww! No wonder she was off for so long - Pizza Hut peppermints!
Jim F. is to blame.
Terry
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 00:04:08.31
From: IN%"RJVS65A@prodigy.com"
From: RJVS65A@prodigy.com
Subject: Paparouna's romp [3394]
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V's,
Unfortunately, I will not be able to make it to Chicago for our
girl's race. However, I will be at Thistledown who is carrying
Hawthorne and yelling my fool head off. Of course, I will do my part
to skew the odds ;>
I hope she has a good trip. It's been so long since her first race
and with this one at a different track, I'm afraid that any lessons
she learned have been forgotten. I'm treating this pretty much as
her first race. I only know of one timed work in five and a half
weeks and that was an easy 5 furlongs. I'm betting (literally) that
her inate talent will get the job done.
All you local partners give her a carrot (as she does not like
peppermints much, at least not the ones I lifted from Pizza Hut) and
a cheer for me.
Anyway, just a note to say that there is plenty of excitement here in
Cleveland!
Go Paparouna!
Jim Fitz
____
*************************************************
Jim Fitzwater RJVS65A@prodigy.com
Death to the Florida Marlins!
VOP MAIL PAGE
28-OCT-1997 23:28:16.35
From: IN%"bbrandt@COMMUNIQUE.NET" "BBrandt"
From: bbrandt@COMMUNIQUE.NET
Subject: Re: DRF's view of PP's race [3392] [3393]
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Good luck to PAPAROUNA and all her lucky owners!!!!
I hope tommorow will be a day we will all remember, sorry I won't make
the trip to see it in person. I will be watching.
Brian B
elvis@mcs.com wrote:
> This, and similar support from the Chicago papers will kiss that sweet
>
> 10-1 goodbye:
>
> Analyst - Paparouna, You Devil, Alaskan Tuner
> Trackman (Dwane Hatch) - Paparouna, Cajun Moo, You Devil
> Hermis (Richard Pyle) - You Devil, Secret Goodbye, Chandi Rani
> Sweep (Tom Joyce) - You Devil, Paparouna, Secret Goodbye
> Consensus - You Devil (13), Paparouna (12!), Secret Goodbye (3)
>
> This household will be wagering a DD, 1st race Malory Elizabeth, 2nd
> PP
> and You Devil. Also wagers on PP based on how the odds hold up.
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28-OCT-1997 22:16:51.31
From: IN%"elvis@mcs.com"
From: elvis@mcs.com
Subject: DRF's view of PP's race [3392]
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This, and similar support from the Chicago papers will kiss that sweet
10-1 goodbye:
Analyst - Paparouna, You Devil, Alaskan Tuner
Trackman (Dwane Hatch) - Paparouna, Cajun Moo, You Devil
Hermis (Richard Pyle) - You Devil, Secret Goodbye, Chandi Rani
Sweep (Tom Joyce) - You Devil, Paparouna, Secret Goodbye
Consensus - You Devil (13), Paparouna (12!), Secret Goodbye (3)
This household will be wagering a DD, 1st race Malory Elizabeth, 2nd PP
and You Devil. Also wagers on PP based on how the odds hold up.
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28-OCT-1997 21:39:08.45
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: Re: Unsold, KLH, LL [3372] [3388] [3390]
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The tax strategy looks like a good idea. Maybe I could charge the loss against
stock market gains!;-)
We can deduct the loss if the particular horse is sold or claimed?? can we?
ap
At 06:29 PM 10/28/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Terry,
>
>I couldn't agree with you more, and in the case of LL, I thought we
>were looking for a buyer but were continuing to keep her in training
>and racing until sold.
>
>Steve Ostman
>
>
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28-OCT-1997 20:42:33.23
From: IN%"joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com" "Pacheco, Joe"
From: joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com
Subject: The post update [3389]
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Y'all,
My correction was not posted in the archive, so I am assuming to didn;t
get out. My selections were in error. I had the 2 on top, it should
have been Pappy the 4, not the 2 (tuff day at work). Again I had it
4-1-6-11 or 1-4-6-11. Sorry about the error. Peace. love and Black
Light posters!
Joe P
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28-OCT-1997 18:32:24.10
From: IN%"LREN83A@prodigy.com"
From: LREN83A@prodigy.com
Subject: Unsold, KLH, LL [3372] [3388]
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Terry,
I couldn't agree with you more, and in the case of LL, I thought we
were looking for a buyer but were continuing to keep her in training
and racing until sold.
Steve Ostman
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28-OCT-1997 18:29:29.18
From: IN%"LREN83A@prodigy.com"
From: LREN83A@prodigy.com
Subject: Internet Message [3387]
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ap,
Not to worry, I saw Ed (happy trails) at the barn on Sunday. Ed was
all nicely tanned from his Florida vacation, but was having trouble
posting to the list. He also said he came home to 700 letters in his
in box. I'm sure he will make it to Hawthorne tomorrow.
Steve Ostman
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28-OCT-1997 18:25:30.21
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: the return of pappy [3386]
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Partners,
I don't see much about Pappy's today...noboby's exciited
about her second race cept' Joe......Well make that two.....tomorrow's
the day for graduation folks as she catches a rather ordinary field of
maidens...but of course I am ahead of myself. Here for your perusal are
the old weston KOD picks for the 2nd at HAW tomorrow........
1. You Devil---has the best fig but that last quarter this horse was
laboring (26).......had EVERYTHING go her way and STILL lost....1st time
everything last out.....unless she improves that last quarter she be a
maiden for quite a long time.........
2.Penny For Thoughts--cost 5.5k last Aug and has non descript
works.......toss
3. Muscles Malone--One of Don Allana favs name unfortunetly, this horse
is mighty slow in the final quater and trainer is OH for 97...toss-toy
5. Chandi Rani--cost 28k back in Nov 95....but showed absolutly nothing
first out on the turf...and has slow works to boot......tossiba
6.secret goodbye--another first dirter.....had nice blow on Sunday for
this..there are some things to like....first time VITAmin L
7. Cajun Moon--Another firster ......not much history behind trainer as
this is his first horse this year.......I'll watch this time....toss
8. Nothin's E Z.....the named rider tells me this one is out for exerise
tomorrow...has come in with some bombers for this trainer but she'll
have to beat me....toss
9. Cyndi's Glitter-- two medicore works and MR silva.....noooo
noooo!------toss
10. Born to be wild--nneds a renaming job to Born to be slow......gotta
give the trainer credit has tried EVERY trick in the book to get this
one to run.........with NO results........tossico
11. Alaska Tuner---Don't be fooled bt this one her races have all come
for a tag and is moving up in class off a bad race...when she
bled....that and the outside leave this one as a ........toss
12. Royal Doris----clunked up to 4th behind you devil the last
out...same trip in store for this one
4. PAPAROUNA--Sibille back up on My fav...her initial outing was not bad
considering all things a slight improvement brings this one to the
winners circle mach schnell...
Probable finish---4-1-6 and the rest farrrrrrr back.......Pappy stalks
the one and passes her and goes on to an easy win......you heard it here
first Pappy Lovers
Allan
ps---I still have the entries for the contest so it still
goes.......LOTS of good Belmont stuff....Incliding a 20th anniverany
secrertiarait
mug...plus other suprises
VOP MAIL PAGE
28-OCT-1997 16:52:46.37
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: correction (price) trackmaster pp's [3385]
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v's,
The pdf files are $1.00 for the entire race card (no single races)
The .50 sale was for csw format (comma delimited file).
sorry for the confusion
ap
Has anyone seen Ed (happy trails) his horse is in tomorrow. He might like
to know.
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28-OCT-1997 16:43:00.12
From: IN%"channic@kcco.com" "Tom Channic"
From: channic@kcco.com
Subject: Re: Pappy's Race [3380] [3382] [3384]
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test [no humor content whatsoever]
A duck walks into a department store and says, "I'd like your finest
lip gloss, please."
"Here you are," says the salesperson. "Will that be cash or charge?"
The duck replies, "Just put it on my BILL."
[no humor content whatsoever (I warned you.)]
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28-OCT-1997 16:39:16.85
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: trackmaster pp's [3383]
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V's,
Trackmaster pp at has a sale of .50 for full race card
downloads, I think the regular price is $1.00...compare to the drf.
in pdf format. You need adobe acrobat reader 3.0 (which is a free download
everywhere including trackmasters site).
These programs have the last 12 pp's and 12 workouts with much more detailed
information than the drf.
If someone wants to see an example I still have Nat's on disk, I can email it
as an attachment. Note; you will still need adobe acrobat to view/print it.
ap
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28-OCT-1997 10:25:51.03
From: IN%"joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com" "Pacheco, Joe"
From: joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com
Subject: Pappy's Race [3380]
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Y'all,
Just got a chance to look at Pappy's competition.
It looks like her main competition will come from the #1, You Devil.
She is the only true "Early Speed" horse in the race. Given her post,
and her high speed rating of 78, she will be on the front end on this
race. She did get nipped at the wire in her last, so if pappy is rated
well, she could catch her at the wire. You Devil is also on second time
Lasix.
A first time starter, #8 Nothing's Easy, comes into the race with a
bullet work, but her trainer has a 3% winning percent for first time
MdnSpWt starters. She will get some betting action, but may not be
there at the end. She may try for the lead, but the outside positions
at Hawthorne have been dead (8 out), which puts her in a bad position.
Alaskan Turner #11 has three seconds in four starts, but has slow speed
figure compared to the rest and is breaking from a real bad post.
There are a few horses that make the move from the turf to the dirt (#5
Chandi Rani and #6 Secret Goodbye). Both trainers have decent win
percentages in the turf to dirt switch (15% and 10% respectively) so
they could surprise.
If Pappy can get a clean break, and can stay with the #1, she could pull
it off.
I call it 2-1-6-11, with the definite possibility of 1-2-6-11.
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27-OCT-1997 23:17:13.01
From: IN%"elvis@mcs.com"
From: elvis@mcs.com
Subject: elvisware on paparouna [3377]
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Not really a good situation for number crunching. Two year olds are not
recommended on this software. Plus there are 5 first starters, and most
of them are probably making their debut on a new track. Technically,
this is for a dry track, but based on the weather lately, who knows what
the track will be like in 40 hours. So there is no official
recommendation of any kind from the software. (It really loves Malory
Elizabeth in the first though, so those of you who have to bet, myself
included, may factor this in the DD).
The numbers:
Fitness - Royal Doris 10, PP 1
Ability - Alaskan Tune 10, PP 9!
Class - Secret Goodbye 10, PP 8! (2nd)
Speed - You Devil 10, PP 4
Recency - Chandi Rani and Nothin's E Z 10, PP 4
Overall - Chandi Rani and Nothin's E Z 13%@7-1, PP 8th 8%, 12-1
When the top horses get 13%, and the 9th horse gets 7%, you basically
throw the above numbers away. We know this horse will win if a decent
amount of factors come through, but realistically, it's a toss up. So
it comes down to price. With all the unknowns, I'd like to see at least
8-1 before putting any decent money on her.
VOP MAIL PAGE
27-OCT-1997 22:14:07.26
From: IN%"Falstafguy@aol.com"
From: Falstafguy@aol.com
Subject: Re: The Scoop: 10/27/97 [3359] [3376]
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In a message dated 97-10-27 10:38:46 EST, jestice@pcs.mot.com writes:
<< KLH is getting a little stiffness in one knee. It's
due to some of the scar tissue in the joint. It isn't causing
him discomfort, but it did push his work back until this week. >>
Cal / All,
I'm starting to get pretty concerned with KLH's prospect of competitve
racing again. The first notes when he came back to the track sounded hopeful
but now we have "filling" in the knee and now stiffness due to scar tissue.
He has been back in training for awhile now. Perhaps now is the time for us
to hear Liane's candid assessment of KLH's future.
Darrell B
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27-OCT-1997 22:05:15.67
From: IN%"Falstafguy@aol.com"
From: Falstafguy@aol.com
Subject: Re: The Scoop: 10/27/97 [3359] [3375]
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In a message dated 97-10-27 10:38:46 EST, jestice@pcs.mot.com writes:
<< . I also think it's a little too early to
make a call on whether or not Nat can handle the dirt. We
know she can't duel for six furlongs and hang on to win, but
she did break her maiden coming from a little off the pace.
We'll get a few more chances to see what she can do coming
from off the pace on the dirt. >>
Cal / All,
It may be too early to throw in the towel on Nat on the dirt but outside
of her win against a weak field with no closers to contend with she has died
most every time. In Nat's defense I will say that IMO she has been in over
her head in 4 of the 9 races she has run for us. IF she could rate like Itsy
does she might fare a bit better.
If we are looking at dirt for Nat's next few tries then we need to get her
down to the 5-8k level n2L. Let's put her in where she belongs and see what
she does. If we decide to ship Nat to Sam or wherever and turf is available
then I would keep looking for turf races that fit her.
Darrell B
VOP MAIL PAGE
27-OCT-1997 22:02:40.29
From: IN%"Falstafguy@aol.com"
From: Falstafguy@aol.com
Subject: Re: Nat's Effort [3347] [3348] [3349] [3374]
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In a message dated 97-10-25 23:36:33 EDT, mikep@ameritech.net writes:
<<
What is the day rate for training at Sam?
What is the shipping cost?
What is the average purse we would be running for? (where we could win)
>>
VOPers,
I didn't ask anyone at Sam about day rates. Cal, have you spoken to Liane
or anyone about those rates? Also I'm sure Cal could give us a ballpark
figure on shipping.
Darrell B
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27-OCT-1997 19:29:44.03
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: Re: Chicago Weather/pappy [3373]
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Joe, all
Pappy is in wednesday, 2nd race. Tom forwarded the stablemail to the list I
think.
ap
At 10:20 AM 10/27/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Y'all,
>Weather Channel shows clear through Thursday. Let's hope Pappy gets in.
>Joe P
>
>
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27-OCT-1997 19:20:29.79
From: IN%"tlbjork@ais.net" "Terry Bjork"
From: tlbjork@ais.net
Subject: Unsold, KLH, LL [3372]
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Cal -
Could you refresh us on the nature of Unsold's problems? If he's sore
in a front hoof and now getting sore in the back end, I can't see the
point of trying to get another race out of him.
In re: KLH - does Liane think this problem is going to get worse? If
so, why don't we just take him off the track now while he's reasonably
sound and try to get some sort of decent price for him as a riding
horse, rather than waiting till the problem is back to serious or
the knee totally blown out?
Finally re: LL - The girl who has Major, Jennifer, says LL looks
like a hunter-jumper prospect. I'd be in favor of trying to find
a buyer for LL, soon, rather than keeping on with the racing
attempts till the end of the year. LL might finally break that
N2L condition, but then after that what do we do?
The reason I'm bringing this up is that if we can manage to dispose
of these VOP assets before the end of the year, at least we'll get
the tax loss benefit of "disposal of assets" on the taxes we fill
out for next April. If we goof around until after the end of the
year, we have to wait until 1999.
Terry
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27-OCT-1997 17:58:46.64
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: The Scoop: 10/27/97 [3359] [3371]
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Unsold partners,,
What is going to happen to Unsold when we do as Cal asks and
sell him?.......what is the person or persons gonna do who shell out
their hard earned bucks........This is what I would do if I bought
him..........I give him a few weeks off........cause I see he needs some
rest after a tough campanign.......After that I would see he was a turf
only horse.......and than I would ship him to race track with a turf
course and race him........Well if thats what the person is going to do
with him.....why don't we do that and ship him to Sam houston after his
rest and race him for those races that he can win....I know this sounds
simplistic.....but sometimes the best answer is that....IIts goona cost
us the partnership 7.5k to race him at sam houston until April that
means he gotta win one race to break even and 2 to show a
profit........otherwise he''ll show a loss
Allan
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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:37:11 -0600
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com (Cal Jestice)
Subject: The Scoop: 10/27/97 [3359]
To: virtual-owners@vop.org
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Y'all,
It's good to be back on line. There's a lot to
cover and I probably won't be able to do it all in one
post. Just the highlights here.
As of Saturday, I had $627 in hand for the PIC 6
pool. We should be well over $1,000 if everyone comes
through with their pledges. I'll post the list of all
money received at the end of this week. If you've sent
money and don't see your name on the list, please contact
me.
Lady Lomond is doing well and is in a holding
pattern waiting for an N2L race going 6f. Liane's trying
to hold off, but if it doesn't look like an extra will be
written soon, she may go for a 6.5f race. We'll probably
find out via stable mail if Liane finds an extra.
Liane may enter Paparouna today for the race on
Wednesday. She wanted to wait until the last minute to
get a gauge on the weather. She doesn't want Paparouna
going over a sloppy track because it will be harder on
her shin. If the weather in Chicago looks to be dry until
Wednesday, she'll enter. Watch for stable mail today.
KLH is getting a little stiffness in one knee. It's
due to some of the scar tissue in the joint. It isn't causing
him discomfort, but it did push his work back until this week.
He should have a short breeze on Wednesday or Thursday. I'll
let everyone know how it went as soon as I hear.
Dance Naturally came off her race in fine shape and
Liane is going to try to get one more race on the turf even
if it means bringing Nat back with only a week or so of rest.
I think everyone finally got all the details from Nat's race
on Friday. It was a terrible race, but a tremendous effort
from Nat. The half mile fractions in her race were faster
than 18K males and classified allowance males. I'm not sur-
prised she faded. I also think it's a little too early to
make a call on whether or not Nat can handle the dirt. We
know she can't duel for six furlongs and hang on to win, but
she did break her maiden coming from a little off the pace.
We'll get a few more chances to see what she can do coming
from off the pace on the dirt.
Itbaya is doing well and Liane is hoping to get one
more race on the turf here. We also talked about sending
her to Churchill for a 25K race on the turf. I'm pulling
up the results from last year's meet to see what the Beyers
are. More info on future plans for Itbaya in a separate
post.
Unsold is not doing well. He's still sore on his
ankle and he's getting lame in the back end by trying to
take pressure off the ankle. Liane is working with him and
thinks we can get one more race at Hawthorne if the weather
cooperates, but she stressed again that the long term prospects
for him do not look good and we should sell him. More on
Unsold's future plans in a separate post.
Cal
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27-OCT-1997 17:38:25.70
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: RE: Don't call chris [3365] [3369] [3370]
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Partners,
I got a name for our next 2 year old that needs to
named......
Allan
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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:50:11 -0600
From: "Pacheco, Joe"
Subject: RE: Don't call chris [3365] [3369]
To: "'jestice@pcs.mot.com'"
Cc: "'virtual-owners@vop.org'"
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Y'all,
You may have gotten the message below. Please DONT CALL CHRIS!
Joe P
>----------
>From: jestice@pcs.mot.com[SMTP:jestice@pcs.mot.com]
>Sent: Monday, October 27, 1997 11:18 AM
>To: virtual-owners@vop.org
>Subject: call chris [3365]
>
>(708) 598-3799
>
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VOP MAIL PAGE
27-OCT-1997 16:08:53.50
From: IN%"joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com" "Pacheco, Joe"
From: joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com
Subject: Chicago Weather [3368]
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Y'all,
Weather Channel shows clear through Thursday. Let's hope Pappy gets in.
Joe P
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27-OCT-1997 15:31:20.84
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: Re: Paparouna entered [3366] [3367]
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Tom, et al
Thanks for forwarding the stablemail. I went to their site and placed pappy
in my watch list. I also had to confirm my e-address with a confirmation
number they sent me. If anyone else has this problem, you may have to do
the same thing.
ap
At 01:42 PM 10/27/97 -0600, you wrote:
>
>Looks like this didn't make it to the list. -- Tom
>
>------- Begin Forwarded Message -------
>
>This is a notice from the Daily Racing Form's online StableMail which
>informs you when certain horses will be running in the near future. You
>are receiving this message because Paparouna is entered to run
>in the 2nd race at Hawthorne Race Course on October 29, 1997. For more
>information
>about the race, be sure to check out Daily Racing Form's web site
>at http://www.drf.com/ or view the entries for this race at
>http://www.drf.com/entries/29/HAW.html.
>
>You also wrote the following notes about this horse:
>
>Other Information About this Race
>---------------------------------
>Race Type: Maiden
>Purse: $17,500
>Claiming Price for Paparouna (if applicable):
>Surface: Dirt
>Distance: 6 Furlongs
>Jockey: Sibille R
>Post Position: 4
># of horses in race: 12
>--------------------------------
>If you'd like to remove Paparouna from your list of horses to watch,
>go to the StableMail removal form at
http://www.drf.com/stablemail/remove.html.
>
>
>
>------- End Forwarded Message -------
>
>
VOP MAIL PAGE
27-OCT-1997 12:22:28.97
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com
Subject: call chris [3365]
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(708) 598-3799
VOP MAIL PAGE
27-OCT-1997 11:11:48.58
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: Re: works? [3360] [3361] [3362]
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They do have the best web site. Free programs etc.
ap
At 10:04 AM 10/27/97 -0600, you wrote:
>
>I, too, would like to know if Paparouna has worked recently. Sure
>do miss the Fairgrounds where this data can be looked up on the
>web site.
>
>Tom C.
>
>
VOP MAIL PAGE
27-OCT-1997 10:54:31.75
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: works? [3360]
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AW,
Have you seen any works for pappy in the form?
ap
VOP MAIL PAGE
27-OCT-1997 10:40:57.70
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com
Subject: The Scoop: 10/27/97 [3359]
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Y'all,
It's good to be back on line. There's a lot to
cover and I probably won't be able to do it all in one
post. Just the highlights here.
As of Saturday, I had $627 in hand for the PIC 6
pool. We should be well over $1,000 if everyone comes
through with their pledges. I'll post the list of all
money received at the end of this week. If you've sent
money and don't see your name on the list, please contact
me.
Lady Lomond is doing well and is in a holding
pattern waiting for an N2L race going 6f. Liane's trying
to hold off, but if it doesn't look like an extra will be
written soon, she may go for a 6.5f race. We'll probably
find out via stable mail if Liane finds an extra.
Liane may enter Paparouna today for the race on
Wednesday. She wanted to wait until the last minute to
get a gauge on the weather. She doesn't want Paparouna
going over a sloppy track because it will be harder on
her shin. If the weather in Chicago looks to be dry until
Wednesday, she'll enter. Watch for stable mail today.
KLH is getting a little stiffness in one knee. It's
due to some of the scar tissue in the joint. It isn't causing
him discomfort, but it did push his work back until this week.
He should have a short breeze on Wednesday or Thursday. I'll
let everyone know how it went as soon as I hear.
Dance Naturally came off her race in fine shape and
Liane is going to try to get one more race on the turf even
if it means bringing Nat back with only a week or so of rest.
I think everyone finally got all the details from Nat's race
on Friday. It was a terrible race, but a tremendous effort
from Nat. The half mile fractions in her race were faster
than 18K males and classified allowance males. I'm not sur-
prised she faded. I also think it's a little too early to
make a call on whether or not Nat can handle the dirt. We
know she can't duel for six furlongs and hang on to win, but
she did break her maiden coming from a little off the pace.
We'll get a few more chances to see what she can do coming
from off the pace on the dirt.
Itbaya is doing well and Liane is hoping to get one
more race on the turf here. We also talked about sending
her to Churchill for a 25K race on the turf. I'm pulling
up the results from last year's meet to see what the Beyers
are. More info on future plans for Itbaya in a separate
post.
Unsold is not doing well. He's still sore on his
ankle and he's getting lame in the back end by trying to
take pressure off the ankle. Liane is working with him and
thinks we can get one more race at Hawthorne if the weather
cooperates, but she stressed again that the long term prospects
for him do not look good and we should sell him. More on
Unsold's future plans in a separate post.
Cal
VOP MAIL PAGE
27-OCT-1997 07:45:45.64
From: IN%"Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com" "Cal Jestice"
From: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com
Subject: October Cash Call [3358]
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Y'all,
Here's the cash call for October. Please get your checks
to me by 11/10.
Thanks,
Cal
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Name Itsy Unsold Lady KLH Nat Papa Late Total
Mark Alesia 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Cary Arbour 0 0 0 40 34 0 74
Al Avino 0 0 0 0 67 90 157
Charles Baker 0 0 0 0 0 54 27 81
Darrel Becker 0 0 0 100 42 36 178
Terry Bjork 0 0 67 40 34 63 203
Ed Blachaniec 0 0 0 0 0 90 90
Ed Blair 0 0 0 0 34 0 34
Bob Bowman 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Brian Brandt 0 0 0 40 0 0 40
Steve Brannon 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Sean Callahan 0 0 0 100 0 0 100
Joe Calvo 0 0 120 0 168 198 486
Tom Channic 0 0 0 40 0 36 76
Lynn Cronin 0 0 0 0 0 36 36
Terry Crozier 0 0 0 0 34 0 34
Len Czyzniejewski 0 0 40 60 0 45 145
Eric Dawson 0 0 0 0 0 36 36
Debbie Derlacki 0 0 0 60 0 36 96
Eugene Derlacki 0 0 0 0 0 45 45
Mark DeVine 0 0 67 40 0 0 107
Mike Fein 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Jim Fitzwater 0 0 0 0 0 90 90
Ken Grace 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Greg Gulliver 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Dale Herman 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Bob Hillebrand 0 0 0 40 34 0 74
Drew Ivan 0 0 0 0 0 36 36
Chris Jenner 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Cal Jestice 0 0 107 40 0 36 183
Bob Jungles 0 0 27 0 0 36 63
Barbara Kalbfell 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Gary Laabs 0 0 27 40 0 0 67
Steve Lewis 0 0 67 300 168 180 715
Paul Loopo 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Larry Marcus 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
John Martynus 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Steve Moses 0 0 27 40 34 0 100
Steve Myrick 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Dan Neurock 0 0 0 100 0 0 100
Steve Ohnsman 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Steve Ostman 0 0 133 0 0 0 133
Joe Pacheco 0 0 27 40 42 108 217
Anthony Palermo 0 0 0 100 168 288 556
Bart Palmisano 0 0 0 60 0 36 96
Ken Paulsen 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Dave Polewka 0 0 133 0 0 0 133
Bob Procaccinni 0 0 0 0 0 144 144
Dale Ripley 0 0 0 0 42 0 42
Jen Roth 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Mike Sasso 0 0 27 0 0 0 27
Kent Saunders 0 0 0 0 34 0 34
Bob Schaefer 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Terry Schank 0 0 0 0 0 45 45
Brian Schartz 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Scott Siddall 0 0 0 0 0 36 36
Karen Simpson 0 0 0 0 0 36 36
Robert Steinberg 0 0 0 0 34 0 34
Nick Urso 0 0 0 0 0 36 36
Dave Verret 0 0 0 40 0 36 76
Chuck Wessel 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Allan Weston 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Mike White 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Jeff Yelke 0 0 40 80 34 54 208
Karan Zaranka 0 0 93 0 0 36 129
VOP MAIL PAGE
27-OCT-1997 07:45:08.19
From: IN%"Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com" "Cal Jestice"
From: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com
Subject: I'm Back! [3357]
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Y'all,
Sorry for the delay in information, but my MSN account
wasn't going through the mailing list (same kinda problem as
StableMail). Mike got the problem fixed late last night and I'll
try to get everything caught up by noon today.
Cal
VOP MAIL PAGE
27-OCT-1997 01:08:33.01
From: IN%"tlbjork@ais.net" "Terry Bjork"
From: tlbjork@ais.net
Subject: Re: Guidry's Riding Strategy [3336] [3338] [3339] [3343] [3356]
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At 07:34 AM 10/25/97 -0500, Jeff Yelke wrote:
>I personally like Randy Meier. Maybe he didn't need to use
>the whip right away, but if we went back in the pack,
>the race was also over for Nat. I think he is one of the
>smarter riders at HAW. He seems to figure out and take
>advantage of a bias before most, if not all, of the others.
The real problem is that Nat cannot compete at $17.5k on the dirt.
Just blow this race off. It was a lost cause when it came off the
turf.
Terry
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27-OCT-1997 01:08:16.67
From: IN%"tlbjork@ais.net" "Terry Bjork"
From: tlbjork@ais.net
Subject: Re: Nat's Effort [3347] [3348] [3349] [3355]
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At 10:37 PM 10/25/97 -0500, mikep@ameritech.net wrote:
>What is the day rate for training at Sam?
>What is the shipping cost?
>What is the average purse we would be running for? (where we could win)
Supposedly the daily purses will be $90,000 there this season, which is about
$48,000 less than Arlington was paying, so call any purse there about 2/3 of
an AP purse.
I think. ;-)
Terry
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26-OCT-1997 20:23:22.74
From: IN%"00mewhite@bsuvc.bsu.edu" "Michael E. White"
From: 00mewhite@bsuvc.bsu.edu
Subject: Re: stablemail [3352] [3354]
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Stable was not being accepted at the time of Itbaya's and DN's race
announcement.
Hopefully I have that corrected now and the VOP mailier will accept and
re-distribute Stable mail. We'll know the next time someone runs.
Mike
--
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|\/| Ball State University / University Computing Services
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On Sun, 26 Oct 1997 mikep@ameritech.net wrote:
> V's,
>
> Is anyone getting stablemail?
>
> I got the one for NAT, but not Itbaya. I know mike was working on the
> server but
> I usually get 2 everytime a horse is entered.
>
> ap
>
VOP MAIL PAGE
26-OCT-1997 14:40:28.46
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: Re: Nat's Effort [3347] [3348] [3350] [3353]
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Sean,
Nat is welcome on Unsold's van down to SHP if both vote that
way......I don't own Nat so I won't comment......I know Unsold pointing
to a turf race this week...11/3 ...well I guess thats next week......I
guess it depends if it stays on turf or not........After we discuss his
future and vote.....You know I am raring to give Unsold another shot at
winning.....he came so so close once so it whetted my appiete......
Allan
--Boundary_[ID_KHexlluLd99l4aD4fS1mDw]
Content-type: MESSAGE/RFC822
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 12:17:19 -0500 (EST)
From: ChgoRanger@aol.com
Subject: Re: Nat's Effort [3347] [3348] [3350]
To: Falstafguy@aol.com, virtual-owners@vop.org
Message-id: <971026121719_-1259370266@mrin40.mail.aol.com>
Comments: Virtual-Owners-Partnership Mailing List
In a message dated 97-10-25 23:22:48 EDT, you write:
<< I have put forth Sam Houston as a place where she might be able to
compete
and perhaps get another run or two on turf. I suggested this with the idea
of
Vop shipping 2 or more horses to Sam. Would we want to ship Nat alone? Would
it be worth our costs? >>
DN could partner up with Unsold....a positive is that Sam Houston is close
enuff to FG that Liane could easily check on them...also you can probably fly
to Houston cheaper than u can to NO...I dont think the drive is that far is
it??.....I think this is every bit a viable plan as is Florida.....Darrell
has already done a lot of research locally...let's think/talk about the Texas
possibility.....
Sean
--Boundary_[ID_KHexlluLd99l4aD4fS1mDw]--
VOP MAIL PAGE
26-OCT-1997 14:26:01.46
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: stablemail [3352]
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V's,
Is anyone getting stablemail?
I got the one for NAT, but not Itbaya. I know mike was working on the
server but
I usually get 2 everytime a horse is entered.
ap
VOP MAIL PAGE
26-OCT-1997 12:26:45.82
From: IN%"ChgoRanger@aol.com"
From: ChgoRanger@aol.com
Subject: Sam Houston option [3351]
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In a message dated 97-10-26 12:18:02 EST, ChgoRanger writes:
<< DN could partner up with Unsold....a positive is that Sam Houston is close
enuff to FG that Liane could easily check on them...also you can probably fly
to Houston cheaper than u can to NO...I dont think the drive is that far is
it??.....I think this is every bit a viable plan as is Florida.....Darrell
has already done a lot of research locally...let's think/talk about the Texas
possibility.....
Sean >>
Please note that my above comments were regarding Unsold & not an attempt to
comment on DN's future......sorry for any misunderstanding.....
Sean
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Forwarded message:
Subj: Re: Nat's Effort [3347] [3348]
Date: 97-10-26 12:18:02 EST
From: ChgoRanger
To: Falstafguy,virtual-owners@vop.org
In a message dated 97-10-25 23:22:48 EDT, you write:
<< I have put forth Sam Houston as a place where she might be able to
compete
and perhaps get another run or two on turf. I suggested this with the idea
of
Vop shipping 2 or more horses to Sam. Would we want to ship Nat alone? Would
it be worth our costs? >>
DN could partner up with Unsold....a positive is that Sam Houston is close
enuff to FG that Liane could easily check on them...also you can probably fly
to Houston cheaper than u can to NO...I dont think the drive is that far is
it??.....I think this is every bit a viable plan as is Florida.....Darrell
has already done a lot of research locally...let's think/talk about the Texas
possibility.....
Sean
VOP MAIL PAGE
26-OCT-1997 12:20:35.49
From: IN%"ChgoRanger@aol.com"
From: ChgoRanger@aol.com
Subject: Re: Nat's Effort [3347] [3348] [3350]
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In a message dated 97-10-25 23:22:48 EDT, you write:
<< I have put forth Sam Houston as a place where she might be able to
compete
and perhaps get another run or two on turf. I suggested this with the idea
of
Vop shipping 2 or more horses to Sam. Would we want to ship Nat alone? Would
it be worth our costs? >>
DN could partner up with Unsold....a positive is that Sam Houston is close
enuff to FG that Liane could easily check on them...also you can probably fly
to Houston cheaper than u can to NO...I dont think the drive is that far is
it??.....I think this is every bit a viable plan as is Florida.....Darrell
has already done a lot of research locally...let's think/talk about the Texas
possibility.....
Sean
VOP MAIL PAGE
25-OCT-1997 22:39:02.42
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: Re: Nat's Effort [3347] [3348] [3349]
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What is the day rate for training at Sam?
What is the shipping cost?
What is the average purse we would be running for? (where we could win)
I think we need a few more financial's to decide.
My 15 or 16% worth says run here for 4000 or sell.
Unless, its cost effective to run at Sam, then I can consider options.
ap
At 11:21 PM 10/25/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Ed/All
> I also wish that Nat had gotten another try on the turf. I think Nat could
>contend on turf but as has been pointed out there are few if any races
>written for the lower level claimers where Nat needs to be. At this point
>while Nat's turf ability is still somewhat unknown I think we have all seen
>what to expect from her on the dirt although a drop to lower claimers might
>help.
> I think the 16 or so Nat owners need to start thinking about the future of
>Nat and what we might want to consider for her. I think we need to get very
>realistic in where we try to run her. I have to agree with ap that 4-5k
>claimers on the dirt are where she belongs. I would like to try her on turf a
>couple more times but that appears not to be an option in Chicago now. I
>would like to see some discussion among the Nat owners and have all ideas
>heard. I would also like for Cal or someone to get Liane's point blank
>feelings on what she would do with her.
> I have put forth Sam Houston as a place where she might be able to compete
>and perhaps get another run or two on turf. I suggested this with the idea of
>Vop shipping 2 or more horses to Sam. Would we want to ship Nat alone? Would
>it be worth our costs? Does another partner have another track suggestion?
>Should we try her in the sales ring?
> For the moment I would say that if Nat will be racing again at Hawthorne
>on the dirt then let's drop her to the lower claimers otherwise let's have
>some discussion on the other possibilities. What say the big 3 Nat
>owners,ap,Steve L. and Joe C.?
>
> Darrell B
>
>
VOP MAIL PAGE
25-OCT-1997 22:25:05.52
From: IN%"Falstafguy@aol.com"
From: Falstafguy@aol.com
Subject: Re: Nat's Effort [3347] [3348]
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Ed/All
I also wish that Nat had gotten another try on the turf. I think Nat could
contend on turf but as has been pointed out there are few if any races
written for the lower level claimers where Nat needs to be. At this point
while Nat's turf ability is still somewhat unknown I think we have all seen
what to expect from her on the dirt although a drop to lower claimers might
help.
I think the 16 or so Nat owners need to start thinking about the future of
Nat and what we might want to consider for her. I think we need to get very
realistic in where we try to run her. I have to agree with ap that 4-5k
claimers on the dirt are where she belongs. I would like to try her on turf a
couple more times but that appears not to be an option in Chicago now. I
would like to see some discussion among the Nat owners and have all ideas
heard. I would also like for Cal or someone to get Liane's point blank
feelings on what she would do with her.
I have put forth Sam Houston as a place where she might be able to compete
and perhaps get another run or two on turf. I suggested this with the idea of
Vop shipping 2 or more horses to Sam. Would we want to ship Nat alone? Would
it be worth our costs? Does another partner have another track suggestion?
Should we try her in the sales ring?
For the moment I would say that if Nat will be racing again at Hawthorne
on the dirt then let's drop her to the lower claimers otherwise let's have
some discussion on the other possibilities. What say the big 3 Nat
owners,ap,Steve L. and Joe C.?
Darrell B
VOP MAIL PAGE
25-OCT-1997 14:55:50.41
From: IN%"Sunwalker@warpnet.net" "Sunwalker Ostrich Ranch"
From: Sunwalker@warpnet.net
Subject: Nat's Effort [3347]
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Darrell & All
Dana & I didn't know the races had been taken
off the turf when we hit the road Chcgo-bound Friday
morning. If we had, we may have gone to work instead.
As it was, we headed off in joyous anticipation of Nat's
third attempt on the turf. I was really looking for this race
to answer some questions about what to do with Nat.
We arrived shortly before the 1st race and began
wandering around the facility, occasionaly donating
money to the mutuel pools. Hooked up with Cal, Sally&
Brian(Bryan?), Jeff Y., Dale Ripley, and Liane. That's
when I found out the race was off the turf. Liane was
really disappointed, as I was. Was Nat's last effort on
the turf due to the surface, being rated, or from being
so fresh? Unfortunately, Friday's race answered none
of those questions. It only confirmed what I expected,
Nat's not a very inspiring runner on the dirt. And it appears
doubtful she'll get another grass opportunity here this year.
As for the jock controversy. I understood that Guidry took
off 'causehe didn't want to ride Nat on the dirt. The concensus
at the track was that it was no great loss. Guidry's never
ridden Nat impressively anyway. Give me Ray.
My understanding of the jock instructions were that
Nat had shown some promise when rated but the track
was clearly speed-biased. So Randy was told to basically
play it by ear.When the gates opened, it appeared to me
that Nat broke a step or two slow. There was a large hole
between the 1 and 3 horses, Randy saw the opportunity
to get to the front and gunned Nat thru the hole. The grey
horse broke well and beat us to the front. Fractions were
reasonable and the rest is history.
We're still left with unanswered questions regarding
Nat and the turf.
Hope Lynn & Kelly are faring better in Dayton!!
Ed Blair
VOP MAIL PAGE
25-OCT-1997 11:21:32.66
From: IN%"kgrace@injersey.com" "Ken Grace"
From: kgrace@injersey.com
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Itsy plans [3314] [3321] [3335] [3346]
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Allan Weston wrote:
> rebuttal of #3--Here are some of the BEYERS
> that won OPEN claiming races the same week as ITSY: 1. Golden Genie 60k
> clms 90 AP
> 2. Itbaya 14k 86 AP
> 3, New york Rainbow 35k 83 BEL
> 4. Laffites Lady 35k 82 BEL
> 5. Baize 80k 92 SA
>
> on her best race she is on par with NY 35k claims
Okay, Allan, where would you race her? Surely you're not suggesting NY,
where there is no winter turf racing. I'm totally opposed to trying her
on the dirt again. Is Terry's suggestion of Hou a viable one?
Ken G.
VOP MAIL PAGE
25-OCT-1997 09:36:25.14
From: IN%"CRAZZYB@aol.com"
From: CRAZZYB@aol.com
Subject: VOP Pictures & More [3345]
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Just checked out the Vopalooza photos and others,through "the mind of Drew
Ivan".
Kind of scary isn't it. What a Great Experience! Check it out you'll love it.
Forgot all about the Goat.
Bob J
VOP MAIL PAGE
25-OCT-1997 08:47:22.62
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: Re: Guidry's/meier [3344]
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V,
As Jeff pointed out, the front or close to it is where you needed to be
yesterday. When the gate opened Nat, didn't want to move AT ALL. As someone
pointed out earlier the lead was an automatic for her since we owned her,
no matter how bad she ran, and even when she won! Meier was sitting tight
on her
for the whole 1st turn and the entire backstretch. My take is either her
shin got
sore at the 1/4 pole or she needs a 4000c race, the later being way out in
front.
As for Guidry.....he gets the exploding Italian sausage at the next VOPaluza.
ap
At 07:34 AM 10/25/97 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> Randy Meier rode today. Guidry was off for some reason.
>> Terry
>
>
>All,
>
>Mr. Gudry decided with 5 minutes to post for the 9th, that
>he wasn't going to ride! ( I'll give you he is a good rider,
>but IMO, he can go pound sand)
>
>So, that left Liane and Cal heading to the paddock to look
>for a new jock. Silva said no. Meier was out on track for the 9th, so they
>had
>to wait till he returned, where he accepted. All the other
>usual jocks were already in the 10th.
>
>I don't know the instructions given, but of the 10 races
>yesterday, 6 went wire to wire and 3 had the winner REAL
>close to the front. Speed was definetly good. Positions around
>seemed to stay unchanged for the races I saw.
>
>I personally like Randy Meier. Maybe he didn't need to use
>the whip right away, but if we went back in the pack,
>the race was also over for Nat. I think he is one of the
>smarter riders at HAW. He seems to figure out and take
>advantage of a bias before most, if not all, of the others.
>
>Jeff
>
>
VOP MAIL PAGE
25-OCT-1997 07:34:06.62
From: IN%"jeffy@megsinet.net" "Jeff Yelke"
From: jeffy@megsinet.net
Subject: Re: Guidry's Riding Strategy [3336] [3338] [3339] [3343]
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> Randy Meier rode today. Guidry was off for some reason.
> Terry
All,
Mr. Gudry decided with 5 minutes to post for the 9th, that
he wasn't going to ride! ( I'll give you he is a good rider,
but IMO, he can go pound sand)
So, that left Liane and Cal heading to the paddock to look
for a new jock. Silva said no. Meier was out on track for the 9th, so they
had
to wait till he returned, where he accepted. All the other
usual jocks were already in the 10th.
I don't know the instructions given, but of the 10 races
yesterday, 6 went wire to wire and 3 had the winner REAL
close to the front. Speed was definetly good. Positions around
seemed to stay unchanged for the races I saw.
I personally like Randy Meier. Maybe he didn't need to use
the whip right away, but if we went back in the pack,
the race was also over for Nat. I think he is one of the
smarter riders at HAW. He seems to figure out and take
advantage of a bias before most, if not all, of the others.
Jeff
VOP MAIL PAGE
24-OCT-1997 23:26:16.10
From: IN%"StLMo@aol.com"
From: StLMo@aol.com
Subject: Guidry's Ride ?!? [3342]
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VOPsters,
Let me apologize to Guidry who did NOT ride Nat as it was pointed out to me
by more than just a couple of other VOPsters. (However, HIS ride aboard
Itbaya still sucked.) I got to the OTB just three minutes to post so I
missed the jock switch to R Meier. Mea culpa. In any case, I thought the
ride was BAD, BAD, BAD! I'm being kind.
AP - I think Nat's a little better than a 4000c on the dirt but not by much.
However, I was impressed by that turf race she ran and I think she could
compete in better company on the turf. The only problem is that not too many
tracks have turf races for lower priced claimers. Like Itbaya, I think Nat
is in good form at the moment. I'm open to shipping a couple of our horses
to Houston not just Unsold.
What about KLH? I haven't heard much lately. Will he get a race or two at
Hawthorne? I hope so. I really don't want to ship him to the Fairgrounds
either. That has turned into a very tough circuit.
Look forward to some lively and interesting discussion.
Steve Moses
VOP MAIL PAGE
24-OCT-1997 20:22:54.60
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: Re: Guidry's Riding Strategy [3336] [3341]
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What race were you watching.......
Guidry didn't ride her, and the jock had a good hold of her the entire length
of the backstretch! She just needs to run for the $4000.00 tag that shes
worth.
ap
At 07:42 PM 10/24/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>VOPsters,
>
>As Allan, I'm going to vent here - so if there are some sensitive souls out
>there time to delete now.
>
>I didn't say anything about Guidry's ride on Itbaya last time out because I
>don't own a share of Itsy. However, as a part owner of Nat I have to say
>that the last two rides Guidry gave our horses absolutely SUCKED big time for
>a jockey of his caliber!!!! First, I'm upset that Hawthorne management took
>the race off the turf which hurt our chances. The turf course was as hard as
>pavement and the rain that we received would have helped the course. In
>Europe they run in quagmires with 20+ horse fields. But not here... (Let me
>just add that I didn't bet the race so I'm not upset about losing a wager).
>
>Guidry broke Nat as if she were in a quarter horse race - whipping away to
>fight for the lead into the first turn. Without any effort Nat would have
>had the rail and been in 4th or 5th around the first turn. Then Guidry
>continues to go with her dogging a 32-1 shot and pulling a good 6 lengths in
>front of the 3rd place horse. This is just what Guidry did the last time he
>rode Nat. And like the last time, she folded on the far turn with nothing
>left. There is no doubt in my mind that if Guidry had rated her just a bit,
>and we know she can rate per her last race, we would have collected a part of
>that purse!!!!
>I guess that's it for turf racing at Hawthorne. I was SO WANTING Unsold to
>get a race on the sod at Hawthorne. Maybe I'm delusional, but I firmly
>believe he would have had his best shot for a victory for VOP.
>
>OK, enough already but I had to get this off my chest.
>
>One of the "silent" partners.
>
>Steve Moses
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
VOP MAIL PAGE
24-OCT-1997 20:17:19.55
From: IN%"tlbjork@ais.net" "Terry Bjork"
From: tlbjork@ais.net
Subject: web page update [3340]
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The final version of the VOPalooza page is in place, complete with some
error corrections, and can be accessed off a new thumbnail from the main
page, down at the bottom, replacing the "VOP claiming odds".
Also updated the main page VOP race record prior to today, the links page \
(to make Drew happy), and the whatsnew page (to make Ed B. happy). ;-)
Soon come: actual updates on the individual horse pages.
Terry
VOP MAIL PAGE
24-OCT-1997 20:05:45.38
From: IN%"arbourc@flash.net" "Cary Arbour"
From: arbourc@flash.net
Subject: Re: Guidry's Riding Strategy [3336] [3338] [3339]
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I don't know what Randy's instructions were today but as soon as I saw him
whipping her right out of the gate I knew she was history. What's
surprising is the need to whip her. The problem she has had in the past is
her desire to go for lead and running herself out.
So was he told to get her to the lead or close at all costs? Its obvious
that was his intent.
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> From: Terry Bjork
> To: virtual-owners@vop.org
> Subject: Re: Guidry's Riding Strategy [3336] [3338]
> Date: Friday, October 24, 1997 7:30 PM
>
> At 07:42 PM 10/24/97 -0400, StLMo@aol.com wrote:
>
> >I didn't say anything about Guidry's ride on Itbaya last time out
because I
> >don't own a share of Itsy. However, as a part owner of Nat I have to
say
> >that the last two rides Guidry gave our horses absolutely SUCKED big
time for
> >a jockey of his caliber!!!!
>
> Randy Meier rode today. Guidry was off for some reason.
>
> Terry
>
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24-OCT-1997 19:34:09.89
From: IN%"tlbjork@ais.net" "Terry Bjork"
From: tlbjork@ais.net
Subject: Re: Guidry's Riding Strategy [3336] [3338]
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At 07:42 PM 10/24/97 -0400, StLMo@aol.com wrote:
>I didn't say anything about Guidry's ride on Itbaya last time out because I
>don't own a share of Itsy. However, as a part owner of Nat I have to say
>that the last two rides Guidry gave our horses absolutely SUCKED big time for
>a jockey of his caliber!!!!
Randy Meier rode today. Guidry was off for some reason.
Terry
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24-OCT-1997 19:30:25.02
From: IN%"tlbjork@ais.net" "Terry Bjork"
From: tlbjork@ais.net
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Itsy plans [3314] [3321] [3335] [3337]
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At 06:40 PM 10/24/97 -0400, Allan Weston wrote:
>Partners,
> The rebuttal. I know it won't change anybody's mind and
>Itsy has run her last race for me as an owner of her...However I will
>vent my anger to the list PLEASE hit the delete key now if you don't
>want to hear me went.
I know Itsy is healthy and she just ran one of her biggest career races.
That's what makes the situation very difficult for me, too. That and the
fact that she is absolutely my favorite. Plus she is our best horse at
the moment.
The reality is that she probably isn't going to be all that competitive
at FG because they don't card races for her level. And I will state for
the record that I am dead set against giving her to a trainer other than
Liane. Me and my 10% vote. IMHO the big reason that Itsy has stayed healthy
as she has is entirely attributable to Liane, and I'm not hot on the idea
of turning her over to another trainer.
Allan you haven't owned her for 3 years like I have. She DOES have her
cycles, and a big August and September are normal. Then there's a dropoff.
Last year she came around late at FG, and then she had some time off. And
then it took awhile to get going again, just like the year before. Right
now she's in good shape, but the only acceptable course of action at this
time as far as I am concerned is to send her with Liane to FG, and I just
don't think that's going to be productive.
I think Itbaya would be very competitive at HAW next summer. But that's
a 4 month season and maybe 8 races. And while I would go along with
laying her off until next March and then getting ready for racing in
June, I doubt many other partners would be happy with that. And then
we'd be right back where we started.
So what do we do? If someone has some reasonable ideas that involve
keeping Itsy with Liane, then I'm all ears. Maybe a plan to bring her
back earlier at Canterbury? Maybe, with Wes, and Nat, and Itsy, we should
press Liane into running a stable at Hou this winter? ;-)
I just don't know. No options are really attractive to me. Retiring
a 6yo soon to be 7yo mare just seems like the best course of action
given the realities we are faced with.
Terry
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24-OCT-1997 18:45:29.06
From: IN%"StLMo@aol.com"
From: StLMo@aol.com
Subject: Guidry's Riding Strategy [3336]
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VOPsters,
As Allan, I'm going to vent here - so if there are some sensitive souls out
there time to delete now.
I didn't say anything about Guidry's ride on Itbaya last time out because I
don't own a share of Itsy. However, as a part owner of Nat I have to say
that the last two rides Guidry gave our horses absolutely SUCKED big time for
a jockey of his caliber!!!! First, I'm upset that Hawthorne management took
the race off the turf which hurt our chances. The turf course was as hard as
pavement and the rain that we received would have helped the course. In
Europe they run in quagmires with 20+ horse fields. But not here... (Let me
just add that I didn't bet the race so I'm not upset about losing a wager).
Guidry broke Nat as if she were in a quarter horse race - whipping away to
fight for the lead into the first turn. Without any effort Nat would have
had the rail and been in 4th or 5th around the first turn. Then Guidry
continues to go with her dogging a 32-1 shot and pulling a good 6 lengths in
front of the 3rd place horse. This is just what Guidry did the last time he
rode Nat. And like the last time, she folded on the far turn with nothing
left. There is no doubt in my mind that if Guidry had rated her just a bit,
and we know she can rate per her last race, we would have collected a part of
that purse!!!!
I guess that's it for turf racing at Hawthorne. I was SO WANTING Unsold to
get a race on the sod at Hawthorne. Maybe I'm delusional, but I firmly
believe he would have had his best shot for a victory for VOP.
OK, enough already but I had to get this off my chest.
One of the "silent" partners.
Steve Moses
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24-OCT-1997 17:45:16.29
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
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Partners,
The rebuttal. I know it won't change anybody's mind and
Itsy has run her last race for me as an owner of her...However I will
vent my anger to the list PLEASE hit the delete key now if you don't
want to hear me went.
rebuttal of #1--ditto and agreed.
rebuttal of #2--if certain unnamed owners want to end their ownership in
Itsy....let them terminate their shares by selling to someone who wants
to race Itsy........not by selling or retiring a perfectly healthy
racehorse who just 2 weeks go won a race for us........INstead of
VOP....we should change our name to VOPWSPHAFRHWTGWOOT. Virtual Owners
Partnership who sells perfectly healthy and fast race horses when they
grow weary of owning them!
rebuttal of #3--Here are some of the BEYERS
that won OPEN claiming races the same week as ITSY: 1. Golden Genie 60k
clms 90 AP
2. Itbaya 14k 86 AP
3, New york Rainbow 35k 83 BEL
4. Laffites Lady 35k 82 BEL
5. Baize 80k 92 SA
on her best race she is on par with NY 35k claims
rebuttal of #4--Her 3 best races (BEYER_WISE) this year were:
FEB 1,1997 81
AUG 9, 1997 80
OCT 8, 1997 86
rebuttal of #5--This is true it cost Terry appox $500 last year to race
at the FG....as it cost me $200 for my pct....there ain't much to rebutt
here
rebuttall of #6--Tis true ITSY owes us nothing
but we OWE ITSY something to race her untilshe sours on racing and her
racing time although numbered aint up yet.
Allan
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From: Terry Bjork
Subject: Re: Itsy plans [3314] [3321]
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At 06:55 PM 10/23/97 -0400, Allan Weston wrote:
>Partners in Itsy,
> You I would have an opionion on Itsy......If
>shes healthy here is how on my 3.74 voting:
>
> The big easy
The Itbaya question is a very tough one.
#1 - I love her dearly. I'd like to have her be our racehorse forever.
#2 - We have some longer term VOP partners who are only in on Itsy, and
who would like to end their ownership experiment.
#3 - Itsy has pretty well established that she is a $16k - $18k horse, and
we really never got those races at FG last year. I talked with Liane
a couple of times, and she stressed how tough the competition is down
there. It was her opinion Itsy ran at least one winning race while
she was there last winter, but the competition was just too tough. I
don't expect it to be different this year - maybe tougher.
#4 - Itbaya has historically had strong Augusts and Septembers. This is
nothing new. If we didn't have to deal with the rest of the year,
she'd be great.
#5 - Last winter at FG was overall a loser for Itsy, and for me as a 10%+
owner, very expensive.
#6 - Itbaya owes us nothing. She's done well for us.
So the bottom line is I'm not sure if I'm in favor of continuing with her
at FG. I think it is going to be expensive.
My personal take would be to retire her. I wouldn't mind selling her to Kate
Mills as a saddle horse, but as Liane has pointed out, Itsy has always been
sound, and it would be nice to keep those sound genes in the thoroughbred
gene pool. So my real wish would be that we could find some way to make her
a broodmare. One off-the-wall idea might be to find a way to go partners with
Tower Farm on her and really cut our costs. That way we could still enjoy her
and her foals, know she was in good hands, and not have to run up a huge
bill to support a broodmare. I have no idea what Wally and Jan think of her.
Terry
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24-OCT-1997 17:04:54.79
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Nats race [3334]
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Partners,
in from HAW 10th race 1-7-10
Allan
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24-OCT-1997 17:04:35.03
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: NAT 3rd.!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [3333]
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3rd from last that is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I saw no apparent trouble in the race.
I went to the otb maywood rather than fight traffic.
She seemed to handle it well (track) but meier had to whip her out of the
gate, she seemed to hesitate she stayed 2nd for most of the race.
Unfortunately we couldn't stop it at the 3/8s pole.
ap
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24-OCT-1997 15:20:18.09
From: IN%"kgrace@injersey.com" "Ken Grace"
From: kgrace@injersey.com
Subject: Re: Itsy plans [3314] [3321] [3332]
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I know Itbaya is healthy and has recently been entered where she can show
her stuff, so it would be great to see her continue racing on the turf at
that level for awhile. But where would that be?
Since I don't know of anyplace to run her, I have to agree with Terry's
points and come out where he did. All of these are okay with me: Retire
her, sell her to Kate Mills, get her involved with breeding somehow, put
her through the sales ring.
Ken G.
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24-OCT-1997 10:51:06.89
From: IN%"herman@enteract.com" "Dale E. Herman"
From: herman@enteract.com
Subject: Re: More Itbaya's Race [3292] [3318] [3331]
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On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, Debby Derlacki wrote:
> Prior to Itsy's race, Dale wrote in part:
> >There looks to be enough speed inside Itbaya to make dropping to the rail
> >a real challenge for Guidry.
> >
> >No rain in Chicagoland for some time and Hawthorne's turf times have been
> >fairly fast.
> >
> > Dale H.
> >
> Those two comments were quite prophetic; I hope Dale is *prophesy-ing* for
> the BC Pick6. :^)
That's the great thing about public predictions. People only remember the
few things you were right about. They don't remember you also said that
Navajo Run was a "one race wonder". :)
Dale H.
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24-OCT-1997 09:48:56.05
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: OFF the Turf for nat [3328]
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AW,
You were right, its off. I just talked to Haw. 9:30am
I hope we still run!
Does anyone know if we ever ran her on an off track?
ap
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24-OCT-1997 08:59:48.91
From: IN%"channic@kcco.com" "Tom Channic"
From: channic@kcco.com
Subject: Re: Pick [3307] [3326]
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Brian Brandt wrote:
> I talked to Liane tonight and she would like to join the pick 6 pool.
I guess we've hit the big time with a professional trainer in the pool.
All we need now is for Motorola to sponsor us! ;>
Tom C.
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24-OCT-1997 08:57:54.18
From: IN%"drew@ctnet.com" "Drew"
From: drew@ctnet.com
Subject: Re: Itsy plans [3314] [3321] [3325]
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>#5 - Last winter at FG was overall a loser for Itsy, and for me as a 10%+
> owner, very expensive.
Not only that, but what do we do after FG? How much turf
racing will there be in Chicago with Arlington absent? If
Itsy's last race is any indication, the turf at Haw isn't
all that great, and there's none at Sportsmans.
Oh, and as for Dayton's weather: be glad you're not in
Denver! They're predicting a foot of snow for today.
Right now, I can *barely* see the ground from my 10th
floor hotel room because of the fog.
Maybe Eddie the precipitation god can do a dance to help
abate the snow enough for my plane to take off on Sunday!
===============================================================
For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Drew Ivan drew@ctnet.com
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24-OCT-1997 08:36:01.29
From: IN%"malesia@home.com"
From: malesia@home.com
Subject: BC post draw for 2 YO races [3324]
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Here's a story from Thursday's Los Angeles Times that I thought had
some good information for our BC handicapping.
Good luck to Nat today. (Chicago Trib's Dave Surico has her fourth
with comment "Hint last? Had xcuse")
-- Mark
LA Times 23Oct97
In winning the Oak Leaf Stakes at Santa Anita last Saturday, Vivid
Angel broke from the inside post, left the gate sharply, made the lead
easily and coasted to a 3 1/2-length victory.
The Oak Leaf was a mile race, a sixteenth of a mile shorter than
the Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies, but it is not the added distance at
Hollywood Park on Nov. 8 that concerns owner Ed Friendly and trainer Bob
Baffert.
"In a big field at Hollywood, which is what we're likely to have, if
you draw on the outside you can almost forget about it," Friendly said.
"Post position will have a lot to do with who wins the race."
Usually post positions don't mean that much in a two-turn race, but
both of the Breeders' Cup races for 2-year-olds--the Juvenile Fillies
and the Juvenile--will start close to the first turn. There will be a
run of just more than 100 yards before the horses reach that turn, and
in large fields of inexperienced horses, there could be a mad scramble
for position.
Baffert will be holding his breath when post positions are drawn
Nov. 5. He probably will have five 2-year-olds running--Vivid Angel,
Eastside Westside and Marie J in the Juvenile Fillies and
Souvenir Copy and Johnbill in the Juvenile.
"Horses drawing from the nine-hole out will be at an extreme
disadvantage," Baffert said. "There's going to be a big difference
between drawing inside or outside in these races."
The fields for Breeders' Cup races are limited to 14 horses. The
last time the Breeders' Cup was held at Hollywood Park, 13 entered the
Juvenile, and although Success Express won from the No. 11 post, that
was a different situation. The race was only a mile and was run out of
the chute that led on to the backstretch. The horses had to navigate
only one turn.
"The winner [of this year's Juvenile] will likely be in the first
flight and will start from the inside half of the field," said Jim
Mazur, who with Peter Mallett has published a handicappers' guide to the
Breeders' Cup.
Mazur has analyzed 28 races that have been run by 2-year-olds going
1 1/16 miles at Hollywood in the last three years. Twenty-two of the
races--79%--have been won by horses breaking from the
first six post positions. Posts 1 through 3 have accounted for 12 of the
winners.
VOP MAIL PAGE
23-OCT-1997 20:43:08.35
From: IN%"BobProc@aol.com"
From: BobProc@aol.com
Subject: Peanut Colony [3322]
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All,
I see that this filly won the 5th at Haw yesterday by 8 1/4 as "much the
best, clear lead, ridden out" in a time of 1:13.84. She is one of the two
horses that Paparouna beat. Let's get our girl racing!
Bob P.
VOP MAIL PAGE
23-OCT-1997 20:26:11.76
From: IN%"tlbjork@ais.net" "Terry Bjork"
From: tlbjork@ais.net
Subject: Re: Itsy plans [3314] [3321]
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At 06:55 PM 10/23/97 -0400, Allan Weston wrote:
>Partners in Itsy,
> You I would have an opionion on Itsy......If
>shes healthy here is how on my 3.74 voting:
>
> The big easy
The Itbaya question is a very tough one.
#1 - I love her dearly. I'd like to have her be our racehorse forever.
#2 - We have some longer term VOP partners who are only in on Itsy, and
who would like to end their ownership experiment.
#3 - Itsy has pretty well established that she is a $16k - $18k horse, and
we really never got those races at FG last year. I talked with Liane
a couple of times, and she stressed how tough the competition is down
there. It was her opinion Itsy ran at least one winning race while
she was there last winter, but the competition was just too tough. I
don't expect it to be different this year - maybe tougher.
#4 - Itbaya has historically had strong Augusts and Septembers. This is
nothing new. If we didn't have to deal with the rest of the year,
she'd be great.
#5 - Last winter at FG was overall a loser for Itsy, and for me as a 10%+
owner, very expensive.
#6 - Itbaya owes us nothing. She's done well for us.
So the bottom line is I'm not sure if I'm in favor of continuing with her
at FG. I think it is going to be expensive.
My personal take would be to retire her. I wouldn't mind selling her to Kate
Mills as a saddle horse, but as Liane has pointed out, Itsy has always been
sound, and it would be nice to keep those sound genes in the thoroughbred
gene pool. So my real wish would be that we could find some way to make her
a broodmare. One off-the-wall idea might be to find a way to go partners with
Tower Farm on her and really cut our costs. That way we could still enjoy her
and her foals, know she was in good hands, and not have to run up a huge
bill to support a broodmare. I have no idea what Wally and Jan think of her.
Terry
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23-OCT-1997 19:24:04.88
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
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Lynn,
I hope it is being held in an indoor venue....methinks the
weather will be quite foul for man and beast in the
midwest.........Com'n Kelly.......and of course Lynn....good luck in
your 97 finale.
Allan
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Subject: Dayton [3319]
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How about JUST ONE MORE (at least for this year) VOP good luck wish for
me and my mare? We're off to Dayton for the Midwest Championships this
weekend...supposed to rain AND snow. Since I've been asking you all for
vibes this season, we've actually done pretty well, and if Eddie the Sun
God could wave a favorable arm over Chicago (for Nat) AND Detroit (for
traveling) AND Dayton (for competing), we may all have a great weekend!
Thanks in advance...
Good luck to Nat and her connections!
Lynn
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VOP MAIL PAGE
23-OCT-1997 19:17:06.81
From: IN%"cnlcronin@voyager.net"
From: cnlcronin@voyager.net
Subject: Dayton [3319]
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How about JUST ONE MORE (at least for this year) VOP good luck wish for
me and my mare? We're off to Dayton for the Midwest Championships this
weekend...supposed to rain AND snow. Since I've been asking you all for
vibes this season, we've actually done pretty well, and if Eddie the Sun
God could wave a favorable arm over Chicago (for Nat) AND Detroit (for
traveling) AND Dayton (for competing), we may all have a great weekend!
Thanks in advance...
Good luck to Nat and her connections!
Lynn
VOP MAIL PAGE
23-OCT-1997 19:12:15.02
From: IN%"debbderl@uic.edu"
From: debbderl@uic.edu
Subject: Re: More Itbaya's Race [3292] [3318]
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Prior to Itsy's race, Dale wrote in part:
>There looks to be enough speed inside Itbaya to make dropping to the rail
>a real challenge for Guidry.
>
>No rain in Chicagoland for some time and Hawthorne's turf times have been
>fairly fast.
>
> Dale H.
>
Those two comments were quite prophetic; I hope Dale is *prophesy-ing* for
the BC Pick6. :^)
Without the traffic jam, I think Itsy had a shot at 2nd. Such is racing
(bad)luck! She looked fit and alert yesterday. When I visited the barn at
AP last Sunday, Itsy was unusually sociable and even played tug-o-war with
the drawstrings of my jacket. It's too bad that Turfing at HAW is probably
over, with Itsy on a roll both physically and mentally.
Went to the barn after the race. It's Sportsman's barn B, near Laramie.
Lianne has her stalls on the west side, north end. Nicer barn than she was
in during the Spring; wider, lighter, much nicer drier floor.
Didn't get to see Itsy; Ms. Shy Bladder wasn't back from the test barn when
I left at 5:30. Did see all the rest of the old gang and a new face.
Impulsive Spender was back from MI, in a corner stall again. Cookie B's
Beau is back, having been through a growth spurt....taaaaller and broader.
The new face is a 2 yr old filly from Michigan.
Well, let's hope for better luck for Nat tomorrow....go girl!!
Debby D
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23-OCT-1997 18:56:52.97
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
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AP/all,
I still think it is coming off but these KOD picks are ONLY
for turf racing....if it comes off forget about this post....probable
finish 5-2-1-4
Allan
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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:39:59 -0500
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: Re: Nats race [3315] [3316]
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AW,
It's dry as a bone! Outside here. There wasn't enough dampness today to wet
the sidewalk. And they are only calling for scattered rain tomorrow.
I say it stays on. The turf races at HAW are numbered due to winter, which
has been known to appear in October. It's not Arlington, where they saving
it for the million.
The race stays on!
ap
At 07:13 PM 10/23/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Partners,
> No KOD picks for one good reason
>I don't believe it will be kept on the turf and I am not a good
>handicapper on off the turfers......to say I am terrible would be giving
>me way too much credit...sloppy tracks on a whole give me fits.......I
>believe Nat to not get a check if raced
>in the slop....end of streak at 14....of course I could be wrong....If
>raced on the turf......the race sets up perfectly for Nat and she'll
>have a good shot at place show....and a decent chance to win........
>
> Allan
>
>
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23-OCT-1997 18:45:04.51
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: Re: Nats race [3315] [3316]
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AW,
It's dry as a bone! Outside here. There wasn't enough dampness today to wet
the sidewalk. And they are only calling for scattered rain tomorrow.
I say it stays on. The turf races at HAW are numbered due to winter, which
has been known to appear in October. It's not Arlington, where they saving
it for the million.
The race stays on!
ap
At 07:13 PM 10/23/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Partners,
> No KOD picks for one good reason
>I don't believe it will be kept on the turf and I am not a good
>handicapper on off the turfers......to say I am terrible would be giving
>me way too much credit...sloppy tracks on a whole give me fits.......I
>believe Nat to not get a check if raced
>in the slop....end of streak at 14....of course I could be wrong....If
>raced on the turf......the race sets up perfectly for Nat and she'll
>have a good shot at place show....and a decent chance to win........
>
> Allan
>
>
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23-OCT-1997 18:17:03.60
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Nats race [3315]
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Partners,
No KOD picks for one good reason
I don't believe it will be kept on the turf and I am not a good
handicapper on off the turfers......to say I am terrible would be giving
me way too much credit...sloppy tracks on a whole give me fits.......I
believe Nat to not get a check if raced
in the slop....end of streak at 14....of course I could be wrong....If
raced on the turf......the race sets up perfectly for Nat and she'll
have a good shot at place show....and a decent chance to win........
Allan
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23-OCT-1997 17:59:10.05
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Itsy plans [3314]
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Partners in Itsy,
You I would have an opionion on Itsy......If
shes healthy here is how on my 3.74 voting:
The big easy
For me here is my thinking that went into the descion:
1. Last four races in the money with a first and a second.
2. She likes (or a least tolerates the FGturf course)
3. three eighty plus BEYERS this year
4. I want her to get her 100k in purses that should increase her value
as a broodmare when it comes time to sell.
5.and to my thinking WHY SELL A HEALTHY AND FAST HORSE?
6. I want to see her race again under VOP colors with me as owner.
Well thats all I have to say..
Allan
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23-OCT-1997 14:05:36.51
From: IN%"debbderl@uic.edu"
From: debbderl@uic.edu
Subject: Re: Pappy [3302] [3305] [3313]
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Steve wrote:
>
>I talked with Liane before Itsy's race about Paparouna. She intends to
>breeze her a half mile on Friday. Depending on her wind she will either
>race on the 29th or the 5th. Liane did say that Pappy was back on her
>regular diet and the hives were gone.
>
>Steve Lewis
>
Liane said she had put Paparouna "back on straw", referring to her bedding
which had been wood shavings. I don't think that there had been a major
change in Poppy's diet recently; might have been early on when the hives
were nasty.
Debby D
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23-OCT-1997 09:07:27.30
From: IN%"herman@enteract.com" "Dale E. Herman"
From: herman@enteract.com
Subject: Re: ITSY race [3312]
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On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, Tom Channic wrote:
> She started gaining coming out of the second turn,
> but the traffic on the turf bore an unnerving resemblance to the traffic
> on Cicero avenue at 5pm. (As a matter of fact the *turf* resembled Cicero
> avenue, but that could have been the OTB monitor). Anyway, by the time
> Itsy found some room it was too late. Navajo Move's trip was so much
> smoother, NM drove home by 3 1/2. Song Song Sing sang the seconditis
> blues again, and 2 1/2 lengths later came our girl with daylight
> between her and the also-rans.
>
The replay showed that Itbaya was checked hard and lost a lot of momentum
coming out of the second turn (if I was watching the right horse). That
could be the awkward step Jen mentioned in an earlier post. After the
race, Guidry confirmed to Cal that he was cut off.
From the perspective of the 3rd level of Hawthorne's grandstand, the turf
course looks pretty beat. There appears to be no spring in the turf, so
it looks like every hoofprint from every race this year is still visible.
Apparently, Hawthorne management refuses to water the turf track. Even
with perfect weather, the turf track may close very soon (IMHO).
Silva steered a real nice race on Navajo Run. Navajo Run helped a little
bit too.
Cal, Debbie D., Steve Lewis, and I were the only VOPsters I saw at the
track. I couldn't hang around after the race so I don't have an update
from the barn.
Dale H.
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23-OCT-1997 09:06:01.98
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com
Subject: Itbaya's Race [3311]
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Y'all,
After another really cruddy morning at work, I
was looking forward to the trip to Hawthorne to watch
Itbaya crush a field of 14K claimers. The drive started
much better than last time because my wife remembered to
leave me the good driving CDs (only one Barney in the
bunch!). A quiet 45 minute drive and two tolls later,
I was enjoying the distinctive aroma of Stickney, IL.
I got to the track just before the 6th race went
off. I took a lap of the building and found no other
VOPsters, so I bought a round for myself and watched the
race. I ran into Hershell and he agreed that we had an
excellent chance to win. Itbaya was feeling good and
Guidry was excited to be riding her.
Still no VOPsters around during the seventh, so
I started working out which horses to key with Itbaya in
the late double. The 7/5 favorite with Itbaya was paying
$11, so I opted for a couple of price shots and watched
the favorite win by six. OK, all done betting for the
day.
I headed down to the paddock and ran into Steve
Lewis and Liane. We got a quick update on Paparouna and
then went to the paddock. Dale Herman and Debbie Derlacki
stopped made it for the race and were ready for a big effort
by Itsy.
Itbaya was her typical calm self in the paddock and
looked ready to go. Guidry thought the race set up well with
lots of pace and Itbaya should have an excellent shot. I
headed back upstairs and watched the race from the third floor
grandstands. It was a good start for everyone except Bet
She Wins who was left behind by six lengths at the start.
Guidry was taking Itsy back off the pace and looking for
a spot to drop over to the rail. The spot never materialized
and Itbaya went two wide around the turn. Itsy settled into
8th on the backstretch and was moving along easily. At
about the half mile pole, Bet She Wins caught up with the
field and parked directly outside of Itbaya. Mark was blocked
from the start of the turn until the 8th pole. When he finally
got room to run, Itsy shot from 8th to 3rd, but the damage was
done and Navajo Move was long gone. Itsy came off the race
fine and Mark was upset that the rider of BSW kept boxing
him in when his horse had no shot to win. Mark said Itbaya
ran great today, she just had a rough trip.
Most likely, this was Itbaya's last race on the turf
here this year. We need to come up with a plan on what to
do with Itbaya. I'll cover more on this in a separate post.
Cal
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23-OCT-1997 08:51:53.27
From: IN%"drew@ctnet.com" "Drew"
From: drew@ctnet.com
Subject: Re: ITSY race [3298] [3309] [3310]
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I'll add a few details.
>(As a matter of fact the *turf* resembled Cicero
>avenue, but that could have been the OTB monitor).
Yes, I noticed this as well. In fact, when I saw the turf
I realized that even though we were racing at about the
same class, same distance, same surface, many of the same
horses, this track was totally different from AP. The zippy
fractions add weight to the argument that Haw's turf is
very pavementlike.
A lot of the horses broke together in a line, and they
stayed that way for quite a while before the leaders got
ahead of the field and over to the rail. Itsy lost ground
in the turn and sat between horses near the back of the
pack.
A horse outside Itsy started moving ahead, and she initally
followed, but seemed like she couldn't keep up. The field
bunched up in the stretch, and it looked like she was trying
to move ahead, but was hampered by the tight traffic.
Eventually, Mark was able to find some daylight and get her
to the front, but by then there were already two horses clear
of the field.
Basically, Itsy had traffic problems near the beginning and
end of the race. I don't know if she would have done any
better without the problems, but it certainly didn't help.
The turf seemed really hard and fast, and I'd be interested
to hear what Liane and/or Herschell thinks about the safety
of the track and our ability to compete on such a hard turf
course....so maybe one of the local partners could remember
to ask about this during the next barn visit.
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For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain.
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Drew Ivan drew@ctnet.com
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23-OCT-1997 00:30:43.31
From: IN%"bbrandt@COMMUNIQUE.NET" "Brian Brandt"
From: bbrandt@COMMUNIQUE.NET
Subject: Pick [3307]
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I talked to Liane tonight and she would like to join the pick 6 pool. I
thought it would be OK, the more the better. I can say she is a much
better handicapper than I, but that aint much!
Brian B
PS I am thinking of flying up for the day on the 29th, TOS is running
(hopefully) it would be great to see Paparona too. Hope I get to see
some other VOPers too.
BB
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22-OCT-1997 21:36:54.23
From: IN%"elvis@mcs.com"
From: elvis@mcs.com
Subject: Re: Fwd: Another Pick-6 example [3272] [3284] [3286] [3289] [3306]
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elvis@mcs.com wrote:
>
> Pacheco, Joe wrote:
> >
> > Agreed,
> > The question is which longshots, in which races? That, as they say in
> > handicapping 101, is the question.
> > Joe P
>
Elvisware will no doubt contribute a few, with reasons why. But they
probably won't be available until DRF releases it's numbers. Sometimes
they do it a bit earlier than the usual 2-day advance.
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22-OCT-1997 20:40:24.38
From: IN%"Burgooking@aol.com"
From: Burgooking@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pappy [3302] [3305]
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Partners:
I talked with Liane before Itsy's race about Paparouna. She intends to
breeze her a half mile on Friday. Depending on her wind she will either
race on the 29th or the 5th. Liane did say that Pappy was back on her
regular diet and the hives were gone.
Steve Lewis
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22-OCT-1997 20:24:07.81
From: IN%"Falstafguy@aol.com"
From: Falstafguy@aol.com
Subject: Another Pick 6 [3304]
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VOPers,
I see there was one winning Pick 6 ticket at Santa Anita today that paid
over $515,000. A little inspiration for our BC pick 6. No pressure on those
that will make the final choices........JUST WIN BABY
Darrell B
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22-OCT-1997 19:54:25.69
From: IN%"BobProc@aol.com"
From: BobProc@aol.com
Subject: Canterbury Tails(off) [3303]
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All,
Don't look for Cby to pick up any of the slack left by the closing of AP.
Yesterday, all six proposals for funding a new Minnesota Twins stadium died
in committee. One of these involved the installation of 1500 slot machines
and 25 blackjack tables at Canterbury Park. This state (lottery)-run casino
would have paid for a stadium, contributed to the state's general fund, and
supplemented purses at the track. With the action of our eminently astute
legislature (some, allegedly, in the pockets of the local Indian population),
two things are almost assured: the birth of the Carolina Twins, and a Cby
purse structure stuck at about 65K per day. Wish there was better news,
Bob P. :-(
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22-OCT-1997 18:52:49.53
From: IN%"ldawson@netins.net"
From: ldawson@netins.net
Subject: Pappy [3302]
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Partners,
Have I missed a post on Pappy? It's been a long time since I've heard
on how she's doing. Did she work last week? Is she gonna be ready for
the race on the 29th?
Curious
Eric Dawson
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22-OCT-1997 18:20:36.66
From: IN%"Sunwalker@warpnet.net" "Sunwalker Ostrich Ranch"
From: Sunwalker@warpnet.net
Subject: Dance Naturally ( I love that name!) [3301]
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Partners,
As usual, as soon as I hear Nat's entered to run,
this little internal excitement engine begins to run and
increases in intensity as race time draws nearer. I love
this game!!! :)
I talked Dana into taking the day off (without pay)
to come watch her with me. All I had to do was promise
to win enough to replace her lost wages.( C'mon, Nat!)
So we'll be at Hawthorne Friday. Hope to see a lot of
you there!
Ed "v'room v'room" Blair
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22-OCT-1997 18:20:21.55
From: IN%"Sunwalker@warpnet.net" "Sunwalker Ostrich Ranch"
From: Sunwalker@warpnet.net
Subject: BC Pic 6 [3300]
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All,
There has been some discussion about how to
make the final selections known to all involved. I'll
be watching the races from the comfort of my couch.
If it would help, Cal could call me with the final ticket
combos. Then anyone could call me to get the info.
That way Cal would just have to make one call and
would be no hassle at all from my end.
Just a thought.
I hope Allan's confidence turns out to be justified!
Ed " the homebody" Blair
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22-OCT-1997 17:16:22.48
From: IN%"jen@jaka.ece.uiuc.edu" "Jen Roth"
From: jen@jaka.ece.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: ITSY race [3298] [3299]
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On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Allan Weston wrote:
> Partners,
> Did Hawthorne pave over the turf course while we weren't
> looking........22.1.......110.2....Itsy didn't stand a chance on this
> stuff they called turf.....she came late for third but wayyyyyyyy behind
> Navajo and song sing....she needs a course that has some "give" to
> it......it wasn't at Hawthorne today.......
She was caught in traffic till midstretch, which didn't help much either,
but yeah ... I was pretty surprised at the fractions. Cal (or anyone else
who was there), please let us know how she came out of the race. I
thought I saw her take a funny step at the top of the stretch, but she
looked fine after that, so maybe she clipped heels slightly or I was
hallucinating or something.
Trip notes:
Itsy broke well, and Guidry took her back while constantly looking over
his shoulder for room to slip over to the rail. Either there wasn't room
or Itsy blew the turn, because she ended up wide and losing ground. She
ran 7th-8th most of the race, and was making up some ground as they
started to bunch up going into the final turn, but she just had nowhere to
go. Finally shook free in midstretch, put away the also-rans, and made up
a couple of lengths on Song Song Sing, but never threatened her.
--
Jen Roth
jen@jaka.ece.uiuc.edu
Thank you for not dumping core.
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22-OCT-1997 17:04:48.00
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: ITSY race [3298]
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Partners,
Did Hawthorne pave over the turf course while we weren't
looking........22.1.......110.2....Itsy didn't stand a chance on this
stuff they called turf.....she came late for third but wayyyyyyyy behind
Navajo and song sing....she needs a course that has some "give" to
it......it wasn't at Hawthorne today.......
Allan
VOP MAIL PAGE
22-OCT-1997 16:38:58.75
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: itsy 3rd [3297]
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Partners,
4-2-9
Allan
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22-OCT-1997 13:26:22.47
From: IN%"drew@ctnet.com" "Drew"
From: drew@ctnet.com
Subject: Re: More Itbaya's Race [3292] [3295]
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>No rain in Chicagoland for some time and Hawthorne's turf times have been
>fairly fast. More dry and cold today.
Lucky. We have premature snow here in Cleveland. Perfect
weather for the World Series, no?
Tomorrow, I'm leaving on a jet plane. I'm going to Denver.
Any advice/things to see? I know the VOP gang is well-
travelled, and I'll bet some of you know a few night spots.
I just found out today that the Breeder's Cup is on Nov 8.
I thought it was on Nov 1. I figured I'd mention it just
in case any of y'all were laboring under a similar mis-
apprehension. Wow, we have TWO WHOLE WEEKS to fight over
the Pic6 picks!
Just about three hours now until Itsy's race. I agree with
Dale that it'll be a jockey's race among the top 4, but I
have little else to add to the handicapping notes.
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For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Drew Ivan drew@ctnet.com
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22-OCT-1997 13:22:57.49
From: IN%"herman@enteract.com" "Dale E. Herman"
From: herman@enteract.com
Subject: Re: More Itbaya's Race [3292] [3294]
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On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Dale E. Herman wrote:
> I hope to see a couple scratches from trainers who will look for an easier
> spot next week.
I just called Hawthorne. A Derby Day Wedd (the 6) scratched. Baby Gato
Sol is in.
Dale H.
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22-OCT-1997 13:20:58.12
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: More Itbaya's Race [3292] [3293]
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Dale/all,
That was not just any male turfer that was BREAKFAST CLUB.....
Allan
ps--another Turfer claimed by Pat Cuccurullo
that make Rita (18k) Club (14k) augie my daddie (35K) in the last
week.....what is Pat trying to do corner the market!!!!!!!!!
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From: "Dale E. Herman"
Subject: More Itbaya's Race [3292]
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Comments: Virtual-Owners-Partnership Mailing List
This should be a fun race to watch. Bet She Wins, Song Song Sing, Navajo
Move, and Itbaya look to be a step above the rest of these. Looks to be a
strategic battle between Gomez, Meier, Silva, and Guidry. Bet She Wins,
Navajo Move, and Itbaya seem to need a clear lead in the stretch to win,
maybe favoring the closer Song Song Sing. But eight-year-old Song Song
Sing seems to have caught seconditis. I think you'll see more than one
horse in the finish line photo. I wish I knew which one will be in front.
There looks to be enough speed inside Itbaya to make dropping to the rail
a real challenge for Guidry. Will he gun her out of the gate or drop
back?
No rain in Chicagoland for some time and Hawthorne's turf times have been
fairly fast. More dry and cold today. 14K male winner went 1-1/16 in
1:42+ yesterday.
I hope to see a couple scratches from trainers who will look for an easier
spot next week.
Dale H.
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22-OCT-1997 13:05:45.03
From: IN%"herman@enteract.com" "Dale E. Herman"
From: herman@enteract.com
Subject: More Itbaya's Race [3292]
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This should be a fun race to watch. Bet She Wins, Song Song Sing, Navajo
Move, and Itbaya look to be a step above the rest of these. Looks to be a
strategic battle between Gomez, Meier, Silva, and Guidry. Bet She Wins,
Navajo Move, and Itbaya seem to need a clear lead in the stretch to win,
maybe favoring the closer Song Song Sing. But eight-year-old Song Song
Sing seems to have caught seconditis. I think you'll see more than one
horse in the finish line photo. I wish I knew which one will be in front.
There looks to be enough speed inside Itbaya to make dropping to the rail
a real challenge for Guidry. Will he gun her out of the gate or drop
back?
No rain in Chicagoland for some time and Hawthorne's turf times have been
fairly fast. More dry and cold today. 14K male winner went 1-1/16 in
1:42+ yesterday.
I hope to see a couple scratches from trainers who will look for an easier
spot next week.
Dale H.
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22-OCT-1997 11:56:23.79
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: RE: Fwd: Another Pick-6 example [3272] [3284] [3286] [3289] [3290]
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pick six partners,
Right now I would say the sprint.......Is
primed for a longshot....
Allan
ps-I will also recommend cal-based with slightly inferior
records.....home field advantage and all that rot....as a possible
upsetter
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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:11:02 -0500
From: "Pacheco, Joe"
Subject: RE: Fwd: Another Pick-6 example [3272] [3284] [3286] [3289]
To: "'mikep@ameritech.net'"
Cc: "'virtual-owners@vop.org'"
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Comments: Virtual-Owners-Partnership Mailing List
Agreed,
The question is which longshots, in which races? That, as they say in
handicapping 101, is the question.
Joe P
>----------
>From: mikep@ameritech.net[SMTP:mikep@ameritech.net]
>Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 1997 9:03 AM
>To: virtual-owners@vop.org
>Subject: Re: Fwd: Another Pick-6 example [3272] [3284] [3286]
>
>Agreed,
>Maybe we could committ some picks to the longshot possibility that eliminates
>so many people. Thereby keeping us in for the big payoff.
>ap
>
>
>At 09:39 AM 10/22/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>Tom/Joe/all,
>> Yes it cost a bit but I think it is worth it to
>>consider maybe it some sort of modified version.....The BC pick six will
>>not be won by all favs.......there is always 1 or 2 that knock all the
>>pick 6 players out......to throw in a plausible longshot keeps us in
>>when the other players go out....if it comes in.......the payoff willbe
>>HUGE and I want it.........
>> Allan
>>Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:23:47 -0500 (CDT)
>>From: Tom Channic
>>Subject: Another Pick-6 example [3272]
>>In-reply-to:
>>
>ds.com>
>>Sender: channic@clark.devl.kcco.com
>>To: "Pacheco, Joe"
>>Cc: "'virtual-owners@vop.org'"
>>Reply-to: Tom Channic
>>Message-id:
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>>172.17.1.5
>>X-Authenticated-Timestamp: 15:23:49(CDT) on October 21, 1997
>>Comments: Virtual-Owners-Partnership Mailing List
>>
>>
>>Thanks, Joe for the main-backup example. That particular example by
>>my reckoning would cost us $2144 which may be a little out of our range
>>but time will tell. In any case, it's a good example and a real bargain
>>for going 7 horses deep in a race. Note that having both the main
>>and backup horses on one ticket would cost you 4 x 4 x 4 x 3 x 3 7 x $2 =
>>$8064!!
>>
>>Here's my example, a little more complicated perhaps, but illustrative
>>of a slightly different approach to the problem. Let's say the trackpots
>>have narrowed the contenders down to 4 per race. And furthermore all
>>agree that the #1 pick has an excellent chance of winning in three of
>>the six races. In this case, they could limit the betting by requiring
>>that the #1 pick will win at least two of the three "excellent" races.
>>
>>Then the bet could be made in four tickets as follows: (The ticket
>>assumes the first three races are the "excellent" races for simplicity
>>only. It could be any three races.)
>>
>>Tckt # of Horses per race
>>---- --------------------
>> 1 1/1/1/4/4/4 All #1 horses win the three "excellents"
>> 2 1/1/3/4/4/4 #1 horses win 1st and 2nd races, not 3rd
>> 3 1/3/1/4/4/4 #1 horses win 1st and 3rd races, not 2nd
>> 4 3/1/1/4/4/4 #1 horses win 2nd and 3rd races, not 1st
>>
>>Under the assumptions, this lets us go 4 deep per race for $1280, whereas
>>it would cost $1458 for one ticket going 3 deep per race. In fact, for
>>an extra $320 you could go 5 deep in one of "non-excellent" races.
>>Also note that the first ticket is only $128 and adding a horse to
>>one of the 4-horse races only costs an extra $32, which would be a
>>good place to add a little extra cash.
>>
>>I am not recommending this particular strategy per se. The condition to
>>hit one of three cold doubles is a little stringent (especially if Allan is
>>only picking two races). But it makes a good example. Less stringent
>>conditions can be used with only slightly less dramatic savings.
>>
>>The same idea can be used with Allan's main-backup approach to allow
>>our main ticket to be wrong in one OR TWO races. This would involve
>>16 tickets so I won't list them all here. It would also significantly
>>reduce the number of horses involved, but probably not below the 4
>>horses per race number of the above example.
>>
>>Hope this has been useful.
>>
>>Go Itbaya manyana and Nat on Sat!
>>
>>Tom C.
>>
>
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22-OCT-1997 11:17:51.05
From: IN%"ccbree@uky.campus.mci.net"
From: ccbree@uky.campus.mci.net
Subject: Paparouna [3287]
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Hello everybody!
Just curious if there is any news on Paparouna?
Thanks
Charlie Baker
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22-OCT-1997 09:08:58.54
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: Re: Fwd: Another Pick-6 example [3272] [3284] [3286]
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Agreed,
Maybe we could committ some picks to the longshot possibility that eliminates
so many people. Thereby keeping us in for the big payoff.
ap
At 09:39 AM 10/22/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Tom/Joe/all,
> Yes it cost a bit but I think it is worth it to
>consider maybe it some sort of modified version.....The BC pick six will
>not be won by all favs.......there is always 1 or 2 that knock all the
>pick 6 players out......to throw in a plausible longshot keeps us in
>when the other players go out....if it comes in.......the payoff willbe
>HUGE and I want it.........
> Allan
>Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:23:47 -0500 (CDT)
>From: Tom Channic
>Subject: Another Pick-6 example [3272]
>In-reply-to:
>
>Sender: channic@clark.devl.kcco.com
>To: "Pacheco, Joe"
>Cc: "'virtual-owners@vop.org'"
>Reply-to: Tom Channic
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>
>
>Thanks, Joe for the main-backup example. That particular example by
>my reckoning would cost us $2144 which may be a little out of our range
>but time will tell. In any case, it's a good example and a real bargain
>for going 7 horses deep in a race. Note that having both the main
>and backup horses on one ticket would cost you 4 x 4 x 4 x 3 x 3 7 x $2 =
>$8064!!
>
>Here's my example, a little more complicated perhaps, but illustrative
>of a slightly different approach to the problem. Let's say the trackpots
>have narrowed the contenders down to 4 per race. And furthermore all
>agree that the #1 pick has an excellent chance of winning in three of
>the six races. In this case, they could limit the betting by requiring
>that the #1 pick will win at least two of the three "excellent" races.
>
>Then the bet could be made in four tickets as follows: (The ticket
>assumes the first three races are the "excellent" races for simplicity
>only. It could be any three races.)
>
>Tckt # of Horses per race
>---- --------------------
> 1 1/1/1/4/4/4 All #1 horses win the three "excellents"
> 2 1/1/3/4/4/4 #1 horses win 1st and 2nd races, not 3rd
> 3 1/3/1/4/4/4 #1 horses win 1st and 3rd races, not 2nd
> 4 3/1/1/4/4/4 #1 horses win 2nd and 3rd races, not 1st
>
>Under the assumptions, this lets us go 4 deep per race for $1280, whereas
>it would cost $1458 for one ticket going 3 deep per race. In fact, for
>an extra $320 you could go 5 deep in one of "non-excellent" races.
>Also note that the first ticket is only $128 and adding a horse to
>one of the 4-horse races only costs an extra $32, which would be a
>good place to add a little extra cash.
>
>I am not recommending this particular strategy per se. The condition to
>hit one of three cold doubles is a little stringent (especially if Allan is
>only picking two races). But it makes a good example. Less stringent
>conditions can be used with only slightly less dramatic savings.
>
>The same idea can be used with Allan's main-backup approach to allow
>our main ticket to be wrong in one OR TWO races. This would involve
>16 tickets so I won't list them all here. It would also significantly
>reduce the number of horses involved, but probably not below the 4
>horses per race number of the above example.
>
>Hope this has been useful.
>
>Go Itbaya manyana and Nat on Sat!
>
>Tom C.
>
VOP MAIL PAGE
22-OCT-1997 09:00:52.42
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: NAT on FRI [3285]
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V's,
I hope everyone concerned knows NAT is in for friday.
I only got one stablemail instead of the usual 2.
ap
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22-OCT-1997 08:43:00.96
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: Another Pick-6 example [3272] [3284]
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Tom/Joe/all,
Yes it cost a bit but I think it is worth it to
consider maybe it some sort of modified version.....The BC pick six will
not be won by all favs.......there is always 1 or 2 that knock all the
pick 6 players out......to throw in a plausible longshot keeps us in
when the other players go out....if it comes in.......the payoff willbe
HUGE and I want it.........
Allan
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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:23:47 -0500 (CDT)
From: Tom Channic
Subject: Another Pick-6 example [3272]
In-reply-to:
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To: "Pacheco, Joe"
Cc: "'virtual-owners@vop.org'"
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Comments: Virtual-Owners-Partnership Mailing List
Thanks, Joe for the main-backup example. That particular example by
my reckoning would cost us $2144 which may be a little out of our range
but time will tell. In any case, it's a good example and a real bargain
for going 7 horses deep in a race. Note that having both the main
and backup horses on one ticket would cost you 4 x 4 x 4 x 3 x 3 7 x $2 =
$8064!!
Here's my example, a little more complicated perhaps, but illustrative
of a slightly different approach to the problem. Let's say the trackpots
have narrowed the contenders down to 4 per race. And furthermore all
agree that the #1 pick has an excellent chance of winning in three of
the six races. In this case, they could limit the betting by requiring
that the #1 pick will win at least two of the three "excellent" races.
Then the bet could be made in four tickets as follows: (The ticket
assumes the first three races are the "excellent" races for simplicity
only. It could be any three races.)
Tckt # of Horses per race
---- --------------------
1 1/1/1/4/4/4 All #1 horses win the three "excellents"
2 1/1/3/4/4/4 #1 horses win 1st and 2nd races, not 3rd
3 1/3/1/4/4/4 #1 horses win 1st and 3rd races, not 2nd
4 3/1/1/4/4/4 #1 horses win 2nd and 3rd races, not 1st
Under the assumptions, this lets us go 4 deep per race for $1280, whereas
it would cost $1458 for one ticket going 3 deep per race. In fact, for
an extra $320 you could go 5 deep in one of "non-excellent" races.
Also note that the first ticket is only $128 and adding a horse to
one of the 4-horse races only costs an extra $32, which would be a
good place to add a little extra cash.
I am not recommending this particular strategy per se. The condition to
hit one of three cold doubles is a little stringent (especially if Allan is
only picking two races). But it makes a good example. Less stringent
conditions can be used with only slightly less dramatic savings.
The same idea can be used with Allan's main-backup approach to allow
our main ticket to be wrong in one OR TWO races. This would involve
16 tickets so I won't list them all here. It would also significantly
reduce the number of horses involved, but probably not below the 4
horses per race number of the above example.
Hope this has been useful.
Go Itbaya manyana and Nat on Sat!
Tom C.
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VOP MAIL PAGE
22-OCT-1997 08:15:15.00
From: IN%"HORSEA2@aol.com"
From: HORSEA2@aol.com
Subject: testing [3283]
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hello
VOP MAIL PAGE
21-OCT-1997 23:34:38.47
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Itsy's race [3282]
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Partners,
Here are the Weston KOD for tomorrow's Itsy race
1. Bet she wins--heads up the class ladder without moving up in class
the invasion of the 16-18k's...has had high speed at times and I feel
tommorow will br no exception
2. song song sing--this is not this mares fav distance (0 for 17) but of
course as ALWAYS this horse will run its race
3.Easy Data-- No reason to think that this filly can handle this tough
group of mares..toss
4. Navajo Move--Stalking trip by Mr silva a bust last trip your move Mr
silva
5. Plainswomen--By that immortal turf sire American Legion....turf
firster is an easy toss
6. A Derby Day Wedd--Mr Dorris tries fitting a square horse (ie not a
turfer) into a round race (turf).....toss'em
7.Annapolis fan--A warm-up vet scratch last out...has visiited LOURDES
and is CURED....former class horse....should be retired from racing
gracifully....toss and pray for this one to get around safely
8. Tricky Trump--Best chance for this one is to sit and pick up some
late pieces for a minor share....toss
10. Monique mystique--Sprinter strerching out to turf...turf breeding
not that bad...but I'm from missouri so show me...tosse...french accent
a guere on the final e
11.Baby Gato sol---ae--doesn't belong in this class is an
understatement....weston KOD auto toss
12. womanwithanattitude.....ae...another wishful trainer......toss
9.ITBAYA--The NOW horse in this class after breaking looooong losing
skein in a big way....gets rifdden back by GUIDRY
well partners pretty cut and dried race
probable finish: 9-2-1-4
Allan
VOP MAIL PAGE
21-OCT-1997 21:52:26.47
From: IN%"elvis@mcs.com"
From: elvis@mcs.com
Subject: Re: Pick 6 Status [3222] [3281]
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Just checking mail for the first time in a few days. Can elvis and his
ware still get in?
Pacheco, Joe wrote:
>
> Y'all,
> The list stands at 24:
>
> Tom C, Cal, Joe P, Al W., Mark A, Darrell B, Bob P, Steve L, ap
> Jim, Cary A, Lynn C, Kent S, Robert H, Gary L, Jen R, Eric D, Rich B
> Sean, Brian B, Karen, Joe C, Ed B, Drew I
>
> Please review the list to make sure your name is on the list (It was a
> long weekend). Also, we need to think about getting our checks in for
> the wager. Any volunteers to handle the money and the bet?
> Joe P
VOP MAIL PAGE
21-OCT-1997 21:46:26.01
From: IN%"elvis@mcs.com"
From: elvis@mcs.com
Subject: Re: Breeders Cup Pick 6 [3280]
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Pacheco, Joe wrote:
>
> Y'all,
> Here is a list of the partners interested in the Pick 6:
>
> Cal
> Joe P
> Tom C
> Big Al
> Mark A.
> Bob P.
> Darrell B
>
> Anybody else interested, just add yourself to the list.
> Joe P
How 'bout a little elvisware? We'd like to get in.
VOP MAIL PAGE
21-OCT-1997 17:10:15.96
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: BC Turf-Another one bites the dust [3271] [3278]
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JOE,
Rainbow Dancer bites the dust.....LIane better have The Flash
ready just in case....:-)
Allan
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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:49:58 -0500
From: "Pacheco, Joe"
Subject: BC Turf-Another one bites the dust [3271]
To: "'virtual-owners@vop.org'"
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Comments: Virtual-Owners-Partnership Mailing List
Y'all,
The BC turf lost another speedster when Influent was withdrawn with an
injury. With Marlin also out, the front end speed of the race is gone.
The deep closers like Awad and Rainbow Dancer may have zero pace to run
at. Allen, what says you?
Joe "Turf Beat Reporter" Pacheco
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VOP MAIL PAGE
21-OCT-1997 16:43:49.16
From: IN%"BOZE8@aol.com"
From: BOZE8@aol.com
Subject: Pick 6 [3277]
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Count me in for $50.
Terry Crozier
VOP MAIL PAGE
21-OCT-1997 16:30:01.26
From: IN%"Falstafguy@aol.com"
From: Falstafguy@aol.com
Subject: More on Sam Houston [3276]
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VOPers,
Going to try this one again because of list problems.
Finally talked to racing sec. office at Sam and they said they will have
turf racing during the whole meet. I still figure 1 per day with 2 turfers
every few days. They also informed me that purses will be on the order of
$80-85k per day. Last year it was $65k per day so some improvement there
though a far cry from the big leagues.
Just a bit more info so decisions can be made at some point.
I also repeated in the missing post that I support sending Nat to Sam if
VOP ships Unsold. I feel she can compete there and if VOP may ship one horse
down it might as well be two.
And banish the thought of my own selfish reason for calling on Nat to ship
down( that of course being that I could drive over and see her run) Has no
bearing on my suggestion.
Darrell B lying a little bit in that last statement
VOP MAIL PAGE
21-OCT-1997 16:00:32.89
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: nat's in FRI [3275]
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V's,
In case someone hasn't gotten stable mail she is in Fri. 10th race.
Does anyone know what time race 10 go's?
ALLEN? any picks here?
ap
VOP MAIL PAGE
21-OCT-1997 15:50:42.89
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: Re: PICK 6 Pool [3260] [3274]
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Cal,
Can we wave the rule #1 requirement. I want to put in $61.42.............
I have to............its my lucky Number.................................
.................copyright(the period)aw..............
ap..............
;-).........................................................................
...
At 09:49 AM 10/21/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Y'all,
>
> I'll be running the BC picks similar to how
>Tom did the PIC9. Here's the rules for the pool.
>Rules 1,2&6 are cast in stone. The other selection
>rules are open for discussion if someone has an
>idea on how to improve them.
>
>
>
>#1. It's two weeks until the Breeder's Cup so everyone
>should have plenty of time to get a check to me. I'll
>accept credit only in extreme cases. There's no minimum
>or maximum, but please make your buy-in in whole dollar
>amounts. (i.e. no buying in for $82.17) Make your
>checks payable to me and send them to: 4491 Thornbark
>Drive, Hoffman Estates, IL 60195. I'll post the list
>of players as the money arrives so you'll know I got
>your check. Also mark your check for the pic6 pool so
>I won't confuse it with a cash call check.
>
>#2. The BC past performances are typically out two days
>before the races. This should give everyone enough time
>to handicap the races and email me their picks. Entries
>close at 6AM the morning of the Breeder's Cup. I'll be
>off to the track shortly after that and you're input
>won't be used. You are not required to pick the races
>if you don't want. Send in your money and a crack team
>of VOP crackpots will take pot shots with your money.
>
>#3. If you choose to pick horses, each selection must
>be weighted by a dollar amount. The total amount of
>dollars used for the picks must be your buy-in. You
>are not required to pick all the races, use your money
>where you have an opinion.
>
>#4. A summary of all horses selected and their respective
>weightings will be taken to the track where the final
>selections will be made based on weightings assigned
>and what-ever best fit algorithm can be applied. I
>don't have a total yet, but hopefully we can go at
>least two deep in each of the races. The Thursday
>before the BC, I'll announce a time and meeting place
>at Hawthorne where all interested parties can attend
>and possibly participate in the final selections. It
>wasn't too crazy for the pic 9, but we were a little
>rushed at the end. I plan to start this early and
>have all the email picks totaled before getting to
>the track to expidite the process.
>
>#5. I will be the final judge on the ticket to be
>bought. I'll try to include as much input as I can,
>but we need cut-offs somewhere. Most likely, we will
>not be able to be the exact amount collected. The
>excess money will be made as a win bet on the horse
>given the highest weighting by the partners. If a
>partner is willing and available, I'll call after
>the ticket has been purchased and the selections
>can be posted to the list.
>
>#6. Any winning ticket(s) which would require the
>attention of the IRS will not be cashed until our
>accountant advises us on the proper way to report
>and collect the winnings.
>
>
VOP MAIL PAGE
21-OCT-1997 15:44:53.22
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: Re: PICK 6 Pool IRS!![3260] [3268] [3273]
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Just leave the IRS to me! I make em an offer. You know what kind.
a(the hatchet)p
At 12:52 PM 10/21/97 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Excellent guidelines, Cal. We're out of the gate with a flourish.
>Just a few comments which I hope will prove useful.
>
>#1 (Money). Although I expressed support for a $25 min, I agree there's
>no need for it. Participants should realize however that if you send in
>two bucks, you might only get back a thousandth of the payoff.
>
>#2 >>Send in your money and a crack team of VOP crackpots will take pot shots
>with your money.<< Maybe we should do this over pot luck ;>
>
>#3 (Dollar weightings). Sounds good. The more you pay, the more you play.
>
>#4 (Track conclave) Worked good for Pic-9. Should go even smoother with
>e-mails pre-compiled and only six races.
>
>#5 (Final ticket) Regarding excess, maybe one or more of the crackpot VOPrs
>can add any odd amount it would take to add one more horse on one ticket.
>Otherwise, I like Drew's suggestion except I'd rather have all the horses
>in the Sprint to insure we're still alive for race 2. ;>
>
>Regarding final ticket, it seems possible that we can go 3 deep in every
>race on one ticket, but that would be an inefficient use of that size
>pool. Once you can get past two deep per race, it makes sense to go
>deeper in some races and shallower in others on multiple tickets. (I'll
>post more on this later). If we have multiple tickets, we could easily
>run out of cellphone batteries AND voice mail message capacity. Maybe
>we can construct a small phone pyramid, where the trackpots call 2-3
>OOTers, who in turn call 2-3 OOTers, and so on, until everyone who wants
>to know, knows.
>
>#6 (IRS) Bring 'em on!
>
>Go Itbaya!
>
>Tom C.
>
>
VOP MAIL PAGE
21-OCT-1997 14:54:18.41
From: IN%"joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com" "Pacheco, Joe"
From: joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com
Subject: BC Turf-Another one bites the dust [3271]
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Y'all,
The BC turf lost another speedster when Influent was withdrawn with an
injury. With Marlin also out, the front end speed of the race is gone.
The deep closers like Awad and Rainbow Dancer may have zero pace to run
at. Allen, what says you?
Joe "Turf Beat Reporter" Pacheco
VOP MAIL PAGE
21-OCT-1997 13:33:16.68
From: IN%"herman@enteract.com" "Dale E. Herman"
From: herman@enteract.com
Subject: Itsy Race DRF Picks [3269]
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Here the DRF KOD.
ANALYST: Itbaya
Navajo Move
Song Song Sing
TRACKMAN:Song Song Sing
Annapolis Fan
Bet She Wins
HERMIS: Itbaya
Song Song Sing
Bet She Wins
SWEEP: Itbaya
Bet She Wins
Song Song Sing
We're very popular.
Dale H.
VOP MAIL PAGE
21-OCT-1997 13:33:11.68
From: IN%"drew@ctnet.com" "Drew"
From: drew@ctnet.com
Subject: Re: PICK 6 Pool [3260] [3266]
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> I'll be running the BC picks similar to how
>Tom did the PIC9. Here's the rules for the pool.
>Rules 1,2&6 are cast in stone. The other selection
>rules are open for discussion if someone has an
>idea on how to improve them.
Whoops. My request for clarification probably went out the
same time as your post was coming in. Sorry to badger you, Cal!
>don't have a total yet, but hopefully we can go at
>least two deep in each of the races. The Thursday
This should be no problem. Two deep in each race is 2^6, or 64
combinations = 128 dollars. In fact, if we raise $1000, we can
easily bet 5/4/3/2/2/2 -- 5 deep in one race, 4 deep in another,
3 deep in a third, and 2 deep in the rest.
> Most likely, we will
>not be able to be the exact amount collected. The
>excess money will be made as a win bet on the horse
>given the highest weighting by the partners.
Suggested alternative: instead of betting the remainder as a
win bet, why not buy a separate Pic6 ticket that has all singles
except for one race, which has "all"? For instance, if there are
$10 left over, and there are 10 horses in the Classic, we can bet
a 1/1/1/1/1/all, except we'll use the horses we actually want as
the singles, instead of 1's. That way, we're keeping our Pic6
money in the Pic6 pool instead of the win pool.
Good luck to us!
===============================================================
For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Drew Ivan drew@ctnet.com
===============================================================
VOP MAIL PAGE
21-OCT-1997 13:33:07.69
From: IN%"RBDN74A@prodigy.com"
From: RBDN74A@prodigy.com
Subject: PICK 6 Pool [3260] [3264]
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I'm surprised I haven't even seen the suggestion of the winnings from
hitting this Pick 6 being used for the next VOP horse! Unless I've
missed someone's post.
We may win enough for a few new horses! :)
Joe
VOP MAIL PAGE
21-OCT-1997 13:33:03.79
From: IN%"drew@ctnet.com" "Drew"
From: drew@ctnet.com
Subject: Pic 6 / Itsy race [3261]
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Cal,
Not to be pushy, but what are the official rules and minimums? I
might be persuaded to play above the $5 level after all.
Yay! Itsy's racing tomorrow. Even better, it's after work (Eastern
Time), so I can see the race. (4:20 CDT). Looks like some old foes
are in there with us.
===============================================================
For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Drew Ivan drew@ctnet.com
===============================================================
VOP MAIL PAGE
21-OCT-1997 13:32:59.83
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com
Subject: PICK 6 Pool [3260]
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Y'all,
I'll be running the BC picks similar to how
Tom did the PIC9. Here's the rules for the pool.
Rules 1,2&6 are cast in stone. The other selection
rules are open for discussion if someone has an
idea on how to improve them.
#1. It's two weeks until the Breeder's Cup so everyone
should have plenty of time to get a check to me. I'll
accept credit only in extreme cases. There's no minimum
or maximum, but please make your buy-in in whole dollar
amounts. (i.e. no buying in for $82.17) Make your
checks payable to me and send them to: 4491 Thornbark
Drive, Hoffman Estates, IL 60195. I'll post the list
of players as the money arrives so you'll know I got
your check. Also mark your check for the pic6 pool so
I won't confuse it with a cash call check.
#2. The BC past performances are typically out two days
before the races. This should give everyone enough time
to handicap the races and email me their picks. Entries
close at 6AM the morning of the Breeder's Cup. I'll be
off to the track shortly after that and you're input
won't be used. You are not required to pick the races
if you don't want. Send in your money and a crack team
of VOP crackpots will take pot shots with your money.
#3. If you choose to pick horses, each selection must
be weighted by a dollar amount. The total amount of
dollars used for the picks must be your buy-in. You
are not required to pick all the races, use your money
where you have an opinion.
#4. A summary of all horses selected and their respective
weightings will be taken to the track where the final
selections will be made based on weightings assigned
and what-ever best fit algorithm can be applied. I
don't have a total yet, but hopefully we can go at
least two deep in each of the races. The Thursday
before the BC, I'll announce a time and meeting place
at Hawthorne where all interested parties can attend
and possibly participate in the final selections. It
wasn't too crazy for the pic 9, but we were a little
rushed at the end. I plan to start this early and
have all the email picks totaled before getting to
the track to expidite the process.
#5. I will be the final judge on the ticket to be
bought. I'll try to include as much input as I can,
but we need cut-offs somewhere. Most likely, we will
not be able to be the exact amount collected. The
excess money will be made as a win bet on the horse
given the highest weighting by the partners. If a
partner is willing and available, I'll call after
the ticket has been purchased and the selections
can be posted to the list.
#6. Any winning ticket(s) which would require the
attention of the IRS will not be cashed until our
accountant advises us on the proper way to report
and collect the winnings.
VOP MAIL PAGE
21-OCT-1997 13:32:56.04
From: IN%"tonyn@pinenet.com"
From: tonyn@pinenet.com
Subject: Pic6 [3259]
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Hello all VOP'ers, That's sparked my interest, I'd like to drop $50 on
it. Where should the money go and is there any problems with this.TN
VOP MAIL PAGE
21-OCT-1997 13:32:51.97
From: IN%"louisem@future.dsc.dalsys.com"
From: louisem@future.dsc.dalsys.com
Subject: Re: Fearless Leader Accepts Pick 6 Challenge [3226] [3258]
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Pacheco, Joe wrote:
> suggest that you let Cal know how much you are sending so he can plan
> our Pick 6 strategy. I'm sure Cal would appreciate any assistance in
> coordinating our wager (I'm sure we will all have our own input for
> Cal). Below is the current list of those interested:
> Tom C, Cal, Joe P, Al W., Mark A, Darrell B, Bob P, Steve L, ap
> Jim, Cary A, Lynn C, Kent S, Robert H, Gary L, Jen R, Eric D, Rich B
> Sean, Brian B, Karen, Joe C, Ed B, Drew I, Dan N and Louise M
Put me in for $25. As for which horses to pick. I'm just a beginner so
I'll leave it up to y'all, oops, you guys, err, all of you (that
Texas/NJ history bleeds through sometimes).
Louise
VOP MAIL PAGE
21-OCT-1997 13:32:46.54
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: Re: VOP list problems [3251] [3257]
---------------------------------------------------
Ken,
I haven't gotten stable mail either but Mike White since explained in his
post.
I have been able to post.
ap
At 12:18 AM 10/21/97 -0700, you wrote:
>I just checked out the recent list messages on the VOP website, and
>indeed I missed receiving a few messages, including one from Mike W.
>about a spam attack.
>
>Y'all might have missed some things the same as I did. For example,
>there is a message with Dale's reaction to StableMail on Itbaya (I didn't
>see the StableMail itself, either), and a note from Falstaffguy with
>"More on Sam".
>
>Ken G.
>
>
VOP MAIL PAGE
21-OCT-1997 13:32:39.84
From: IN%"joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com" "Pacheco, Joe"
From: joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com
Subject: FW: Test Message, Please Ignore [3255]
---------------------------------------------------
Mike,
Come in Tokyo!
Joe P
>----------
>From: Mike White[SMTP:mwhite@bsu.edu]
>Sent: Monday, October 20, 1997 11:26 PM
>To: Pacheco, Joe
>Subject: Re: Itbaya [3161] [3164] [3169] [3172] [3178]
>
>OK, Joe give it a try again, it sent the subscribe request to me. It
>appears that your mailier puts the domain as exsc01.exch.eds but I can't
>verify it with eds's nameserver. If you do get through you'll probably
>get two messages in return - let me know and I'll take out the other one
>(unless you like to get double mailings)
>
>Mike
>cc high-stakes-gambler-files
>
>Pacheco, Joe wrote:
>
>> Mike,
>> I just figured out the problem. You are in cahoots with the Clinton
>> Administration trying to rob me of my right of free speech! All
>> partners that look, sound, or smell like they are Republicans have had
>>
>> their mail re-routed to the bowels of the White house to be reviewed
>> by
>> a hord of Clinton aides and IRS agents. I bet thats why Cal got
>> audited! You cad!
>> Joe P
>> cc. G. Gordon Liddy
>> Oliver North
>> Great Pumkin
>>
>> >----------
>> >From: Michael E. White[SMTP:00mewhite@bsuvc.bsu.edu]
>> >Sent: Monday, October 20, 1997 5:05 PM
>> >To: Pacheco, Joe
>> >Subject: RE: Itbaya [3161] [3164] [3169] [3172] [3178]
>> >
>> >Joe send a message to: mailserv@vop.org
>> >in the body put:
>> >
>> >subscribe virtual-owners
>> >
>> >
>> >This will subscribe you using the mail routing info your mailier
>> provides
>> >vs the generic name I used when I subscribed you. The problem now is
>> that
>> >the software saying your address doesn't match on file so the message
>> is
>> >rejected. Lets see if a re-subscribe will fix it.
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > . , Michael E. White Senior VAX Systems Programmer
>> > |\/| Ball State University / University Computing
>> Services
>> > /bb "\.
>> > / _,"\ Some assembly and C++ required. Batteries not included.
>> >'\ Action figures sold separately.
>> > ~~ \
>> >
>> >On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, Pacheco, Joe wrote:
>> >
>> >> Mike,
>> >> It blew up again. Below is the text of the message:
>> >>
>> >> This report relates to a message you sent with the following header
>>
>> >> fields:
>> >>
>> >> Message-id:
>> >>
>> > >> .exch.eds.com>
>> >> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:19:04 -0500
>> >> From: "Pacheco, Joe"
>> >> To: "'Michael E. White'" <00mewhite@bsuvc.bsu.edu>
>> >> Subject: RE: Itbaya [3161] [3164] [3169] [3172] [3178]
>> >>
>> >> Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients:
>> >>
>> >> Recipient address: virtual-owners-expand@PROCESS.BSU.EDU
>> >> Reason: you are not allowed to use this list:
>> >> virtual-owners-expand@PROCESS.BSU.EDU
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >----------
>> >> >From: Michael E. White[SMTP:00mewhite@bsuvc.bsu.edu]
>> >> >Sent: Monday, October 20, 1997 4:14 PM
>> >> >To: Pacheco, Joe
>> >> >Subject: RE: Itbaya [3161] [3164] [3169] [3172] [3178]
>> >> >
>> >> >Joe try again. I'm not sure who WHQ01/MSUSPLH4 is, but I'm
>> assuming it
>> >> >that account with the corrupt mailbag.
>> >> >
>> >> >Mike
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >--
>> >> > . , Michael E. White Senior VAX Systems Programmer
>> >> > |\/| Ball State University / University Computing
>> Services
>> >> > /bb "\.
>> >> > / _,"\ Some assembly and C++ required. Batteries not
>> included.
>> >> >'\ Action figures sold separately.
>> >> > ~~ \
>> >> >
>> >> >On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, Pacheco, Joe wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Mike,
>> >> >> Mail I send to the post keeps coming back. below are the error
>> >> >> messages:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> [005] The mail retry count was exceeded sending to
>> WHQ01/MSUSPLH4.
>> >> >> [014] Unable to deliver user mail due to a corrupt mailbag
>> >> >>
>> >> >> BTW, whoa are you calling a corrupt mailbag?
>> >> >> Joe P
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >----------
>> >> >> >From: Michael E. White[SMTP:00mewhite@bsuvc.bsu.edu]
>> >> >> >Sent: Friday, October 17, 1997 6:35 PM
>> >> >> >To: virtual-owners
>> >> >> >Subject: Re: Itbaya [3161] [3164] [3169] [3172] [3178]
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, John K Martynus wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, Michael E. White wrote:
>> >> >> >> > Well all I can say is I've got two win photo's on my wall
>> and they
>> >> >>both
>> >> >> >> > say 1 mile. Two with Shane up and one with Mark up. Though
>> I'm for
>> >>the
>> >> >> >> > soft spots I think 1 mail is her distance.
>> >> >> >> > But I think the secret is getting saddle cloth #5, #6, or
>> #9.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Hmmm...my first Itbaya win photo says 1 1/16 mi with a time
>> of 1:49.3
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >That's correct, three all together 1 @ 1-1/16 and 2 @ 1 mile.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> John K. Martynus JK-Martynus@govst.edu
>> >>shorts@interaccess.com
>> >> >> >> "Of course I left her a tip.Crazy Horse in the 5th at
>> Aqueduct"-Leroy
>> >> >> >>Lockhorn
>> >> >> >> "Sometimes I wish I knew what was going on here." --Henry
>> Blake
>> >> >> >> "I'm not drunk. I'm sobriety challenged."
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >--
>> >> >> > . , Michael E. White Senior VAX Systems Programmer
>> >> >> > |\/| Ball State University / University Computing
>> Services
>> >> >> > /bb "\.
>> >> >> > / _,"\ Some assembly and C++ required. Batteries not
>> included.
>> >> >> >'\ Action figures sold separately.
>> >> >> > ~~ \
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>
>
>
>--
> . , Michael E. White Senior VAX Systems Programmer
> |\/| Ball State University / University Computing Services
> /bb "\.
> / _,"\ Some assembly and C++ required. Batteries not included.
>'\ Action figures sold separately.
> ~~ \
>
>
>
VOP MAIL PAGE
21-OCT-1997 13:32:35.71
From: IN%"00mewhite@bsuvc.bsu.edu" "Michael E. White"
From: 00mewhite@bsuvc.bsu.edu
Subject: routeing test - again - ignore [3254]
---------------------------------------------------
--
. , Michael E. White Senior VAX Systems Programmer
|\/| Ball State University / University Computing Services
/bb "\.
/ _,"\ Some assembly and C++ required. Batteries not included.
'\ Action figures sold separately.
~~ \
VOP MAIL PAGE
21-OCT-1997 13:32:29.69
From: IN%"00mewhite@bsuvc.bsu.edu" "Michael E. White"
From: 00mewhite@bsuvc.bsu.edu
Subject: Mailing List Problems [3253]
---------------------------------------------------
Y'all,
Sorry about the problems but I have no choice but to tighten the security
screws on all the systems I maintain. It seems someone (none of you I'm
sure) has posted to some spam newsgroup or the such that machines on
BSU's campus allow what is called pass-through routing. Which means you
can send messages to the mail software and have it send the messages(s) on
to the finial destination. Which when used correctly is not a problem
per'say. But these people were sending thousands of spam messages and
forging the headers as though the orgin was from BSU. The overload of all
the invalid messages (bad address etc) about 100,000 in all caused the
mail delivery system to come to a crawl and had to be shutdown to be
cleaned up.
This started to happen again today but I caught it before it got out of
hand luckly.
Hence, I've had to apply strict mailing configuration rules. This has
caused some problems with some of you not being able to post. And it's
also preventing StableMail from sending to the list (I'll have to figure
out a way for those messages to pass but without our mail being sent to
stablemail - I'm sure they're not intersted in VOP stuff).
If any of you are having problems posting please write me back and we'll
work out the kinks.
Mike
--
. , Michael E. White Senior VAX Systems Programmer
|\/| Ball State University / University Computing Services
/bb "\.
/ _,"\ Some assembly and C++ required. Batteries not included.
'\ Action figures sold separately.
~~ \
VOP MAIL PAGE
21-OCT-1997 13:32:23.00
From: IN%"mwhite@bsu.edu" "Mike White"
From: mwhite@bsu.edu
Subject: Itbaya's Race [3252]
---------------------------------------------------
> 9TH RACE HAW OCTOBER 22ND - $2 EXACTA / $2 TRIFECTA
> ==========================
>
> 1 MILE TURF; CLAIMING $14,000; PURSE $11,000; $3,960 added IOA.
> FOR FILLIES AND MARES, THREE YEARS OLD AND UPWARD . Three Year
> Olds, 118 lbs. Older, 122 lbs. Non-winners of two races at a
> mile or over since September 22, 1997, allowed, 3 lbs. Once, 5
> lbs. 2 such races in 1997, 7 lbs. Once, 9 lbs. CLAIMING PRICE
> $14,000. (Claiming races for $12,500 or less not considered.)
>
> PROGRAM SELECTIONS: 9 - 2 - 1
>
> # HORSE NAME ML JOCKEY WT TRAINER
>
> MED EQP
> -- ---------- -- ------ -- -------
>
> --- ---
> 1 BET SHE WINS 9/2 GOMEZ G 113 VINCI C J
>
> L
> 2 SONG SONG SING 4/1 MEIER R 113 HOUGHTON R D
>
> L
> 3 EASY DATA 20/1 CHAVEZ D 110* PRADO A
>
> L
> 4 NAVAJO MOVE 6/1 SILVA C 117 GONZALEZ J L
>
> L
> 5 PLAINSWOMEN 20/1 LASALA J 115 HILD G L
>
> L
> 6 A DERBY DAY WEDD 12/1 SIBILLE R 113 DORRIS T
>
> L
> 7 ANNAPOLIS FAN 8/1 RAZO A 117 REAVIS M L
>
> L
> 8 TRICKY TRUMP 12/1 VALOVICH C J 119 ANDERSON D
>
> L
> 9 ITBAYA 5/2 GUIDRY M 119 DAVIS L P
>
> L
> 10 MONIQUE MYSTIQUE 15/1 CAMPBELL J 113 DARRUS T
>
> L
> 11 BABY GATO SOL 30/1 RETANA G 113 INMAN P
>
> L
> 12 WOMANWITHANATTITUD 15/1 SCHAEFER G A 113 HOLAS S S
>
> L
>
--
. , Michael E. White Senior VAX Systems Programmer
|\/| Ball State University / University Computing Services
/bb "\.
/ _,"\ Some assembly and C++ required. Batteries not included.
'\ Action figures sold separately.
~~ \
VOP MAIL PAGE
21-OCT-1997 13:32:16.30
From: IN%"kgrace@injersey.com" "Ken Grace"
From: kgrace@injersey.com
Subject: VOP list problems [3251]
---------------------------------------------------
I just checked out the recent list messages on the VOP website, and
indeed I missed receiving a few messages, including one from Mike W.
about a spam attack.
Y'all might have missed some things the same as I did. For example,
there is a message with Dale's reaction to StableMail on Itbaya (I didn't
see the StableMail itself, either), and a note from Falstaffguy with
"More on Sam".
Ken G.
VOP MAIL PAGE
21-OCT-1997 13:32:10.22
From: IN%"kgrace@injersey.com" "Ken Grace"
From: kgrace@injersey.com
Subject: Itsy Racing [3250]
---------------------------------------------------
VOPsters,
I don't know whether there's something wrong with my service provider or
perhaps some messages didn't get forwarded by the VOP list. But I got
nothing via the list about Itsy being in a race this week, not even the
usual forwarded automated thingy from the Daily Racing Form. Thanks to
Dale's reply to Terry's off-list email, I was alerted that something was
going on.
Anyhow, by checking with Equibase, I find that Itbaya is entered in the
9th at Hawthorne on Wednesday, Oct. 22. Comments? Allan, what are her
prospects?
Ken G.
VOP MAIL PAGE
21-OCT-1997 13:32:04.17
From: IN%"tlbjork@ais.net" "Terry Bjork"
From: tlbjork@ais.net
Subject: Re: Itsy [3240] [3247] [3248]
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At 10:57 PM 10/20/97 -0700, Ken Grace wrote:
>Am I missing something here? Did Mike's screwing around with the mailer
>cause me to miss an important message? What are you talking about, Dale?
>
Probably.
I sent a message from work bzzzzzzzt!'ing Dale on his "ask and ye shall
receive" because Itbaya drew most of the horses Dale was hoping to avoid
in the $18,000 ranks.
I'd bet that message bounced for coming from a non-subscriber.
Terry
VOP MAIL PAGE
21-OCT-1997 13:31:58.77
From: IN%"kgrace@injersey.com" "Ken Grace"
From: kgrace@injersey.com
Subject: Re: Itsy [3240] [3247]
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Dale E. Herman wrote:
> I asked to avoid Rita Rucker (Tribune chart didn't show the claim), Song
> Song Sing and Myrtle's Music. Two out of three ain't bad. Song Song Sing
> and Bet She Wins are coming back on seven days rest. We'll see how fresh
> they are. Navajo Move was a one race wonder - you read it here first.
>
> Hoping Liane is right about Itsy being ready after only two weeks and
> busy knitting a sweater for Itsy...
>
> Dale H.
>
> BTW, I'm 99.9% sure this was a pure Liane move and even Cal was surprised
> today. No one carried my lobbying from last week to Liane.
Am I missing something here? Did Mike's screwing around with the mailer
cause me to miss an important message? What are you talking about, Dale?
Ken G.
VOP MAIL PAGE
21-OCT-1997 13:31:52.68
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: PAPPYS NEXT [3246]
---------------------------------------------------
Cal,
Has pappy worked in the last month?
I can't see how she'll do a mile race with a 5f work 6 or 7 weeks ago.
IF the race on 10-29 is a mile! I don't have the book.
Whats the plan here?
ap
VOP MAIL PAGE
21-OCT-1997 13:31:47.48
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: Re: The pick 6 [3242] [3243] [3244]
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--Boundary_[ID_SMeixDX5N2+8kBr/BTQqfA]
Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Lynn/all,
I will be posting KOD selections for each of the seven
breeders cup races.......I will be submiting my----turf mile and turf
classic recommondations-----to Cal ONLY for his inclusion in OUR pick 6
ticket---that way if chooses to modify my recommondations there are no
hard feelings....I am in it for a hundred whaether or not Cal takes my
suggestions.....I trust him as MP....I'll trust him with my c-note
anytime.
Allan
ps......ED you can take my top selections in each of the seven races for
my hat ENTRY....ps I am gonna win that hat or die trying
--Boundary_[ID_SMeixDX5N2+8kBr/BTQqfA]
Content-type: MESSAGE/RFC822
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 18:43:00 -0400
From: Chris & Lynn Cronin
Subject: Re: The pick 6 [3242] [3243]
To: Allan Weston
Cc: virtual-owners@vop.org
Reply-to: cnlcronin@voyager.net
Message-id: <344BDE74.2FCC@voyager.net>
MIME-version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U)
Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
References: <199710202240.PAA08112@mailtod-122.bryant.webtv.net>
Comments: Virtual-Owners-Partnership Mailing List
Allan, PLEASE give us the KOD for the whole 6 races...you seem to do
pretty darn well, and I love hearing how many different ways you can say
"toss"
"tossarooski"
"tosssssss"
"noooooo....tosssss"
"tosski"
"tossola"
"tossaroo"
Lynn..................................
--Boundary_[ID_SMeixDX5N2+8kBr/BTQqfA]--
VOP MAIL PAGE
21-OCT-1997 13:31:42.01
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: The pick 6 [3242]
---------------------------------------------------
Cal/Tom/Joe/all,
There is no reason for complicated rules or the
such for such.
Here are the Weston rules for he Pick 6:
1. Since Cal has taken the responsibilty of taking our money and making
sure that all the bets are placed (a massive job)....He should be the
FINAL judge of what horses the syndicate selects (or doesn't)
2. EVERYONE who is in the snyidicate gets to submit selections to
CAL...if they want to.
3. NO MINIMUM OR MAXIMUM on the level of money needed to
participate....every dollar helps...IE the more money we have the more
combos we can cover the greater chances of winning.......(even drew and
his 5 bucks)
4. Tom's claim of it almost being a lotto.....I can't speak for TOM only
MYSELF.......I have NEVER hit the lotto.....but I have hit the PICK 6
twice *for modest sums" and have hit 5 of6 on numerous occations......I
fully expect to hit this pick 6....the way I approach horse handicapping
and betting Is that I am gonna win.
5. I myself will submit selections for only two races.....the mile
turf.......and the turf classic
These are the races I will be highly confident in
Allan
VOP MAIL PAGE
21-OCT-1997 13:31:36.59
From: IN%"mew@infocom.com" "Mike White"
From: mew@infocom.com
Subject: mail route test - excernal [3239]
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test
VOP MAIL PAGE
21-OCT-1997 13:31:28.42
From: IN%"mew@infocom.com" "Mike White"
From: mew@infocom.com
Subject: testing again - mapping/routing [3238]
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test
VOP MAIL PAGE
20-OCT-1997 16:05:12.79
From: IN%"mew@infocom.com" "Mike White"
From: mew@infocom.com
Subject: mapping test - ignore [3237]
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]
testing
VOP MAIL PAGE
20-OCT-1997 15:48:41.47
From: IN%"Falstafguy@aol.com"
From: Falstafguy@aol.com
Subject: More on Sam [3236]
---------------------------------------------------
VOPers,
Just got off the phone with the Sam Houstom racing sec office. They said
that this year they WILL BE running the turf the whole meet whereas last
season they had no turf racing in January. Still looking at probably 1 turfer
a day with the occassional 2 a day. I was also told this time that purses
would be on the order of $80-85K per day. For comparison last season was
about $65k per day. A bit more money but still a far cry from the big boys.
So let the debate continue with this info and the list of last years turfers.
I of course still support sending Nat to Sam if VOP decides to send
Unsold.
Darrell B
VOP MAIL PAGE
20-OCT-1997 14:55:51.90
From: IN%"herman@enteract.com" "Dale E. Herman"
From: herman@enteract.com
Subject: Re: StableMail -- Itbaya [3235]
---------------------------------------------------
On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, Daily Racing Form wrote:
> are receiving this message because Itbaya is entered to run
> Claiming Price for Itbaya (if applicable): 14,000
> Surface: Turf
> Distance: 1 Mile
> Jockey: Guidry M
Ask and yee shall receive, I guess. Next, I want a 34 foot Catalina
sailboat for $12.00.
Dale H.
VOP MAIL PAGE
20-OCT-1997 12:22:37.60
From: IN%"00mewhite@bsuvc.bsu.edu" "Michael E. White"
From: 00mewhite@bsuvc.bsu.edu
Subject: mail routing and mailing list changes & testing [3234]
---------------------------------------------------
I'm making changes in the mail configuration. Due to a spam attack on our
systems here at BSU. These changes will prevent unauthorized mail routing.
While these mail routing restrictions are good they may very well screw up
the way the mailing list is handled.
Would one or two of you send a test message to the list to see if you get
through or get an error.
If you get an error forward the error directly to me
00mewhite@bsuvc.bsu.edu so I can try and resolve the problem. Thanks.
Mike
P.S. Along with the general routing change it will only allow list members
to post as well. (Terry we need to take off the vop list address from the
web pages as they are updated).
--
. , Michael E. White Senior VAX Systems Programmer
|\/| Ball State University / University Computing Services
/bb "\.
/ _,"\ Some assembly and C++ required. Batteries not included.
'\ Action figures sold separately.
~~ \
VOP MAIL PAGE
20-OCT-1997 11:19:14.51
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com
Subject: Re: September numbers [3228] [3231]
---------------------------------------------------
On Oct 20, 10:14am, Terry Bjork wrote:
> Subject: re: September numbers [3228]
>
> Cal wrote:
>
> >Sorry for being late on getting this out, but I forgot
> >to pick up an account statement from the horseman's book-
> >keeper last week.
>
> Did we ever find out whether or not we got any of that underpayment
> amount that HAW was supposed to distribute against Fall '95 earnings?
>
> Just curious as to how much it might have been.
>
Yes. Itbaya got an extra $400 or so. It
will show up in the October numbers.
Cal
> Terry
>
>-- End of excerpt from Terry Bjork
VOP MAIL PAGE
20-OCT-1997 10:48:32.61
From: IN%"smyrick@concentric.net"
From: smyrick@concentric.net
Subject: Re: Itsy's win / By for now [3229]
---------------------------------------------------
Tom Channic wrote:
> Drew wrote:
> >
> > Larry didn't show up at the track,
> > Joe didn't wager on Itsy, and
> > Allan didn't wear his VOP shirt.
> >
> > Which of these things (or which combination of them) is
> > the true jinx?
> >
This seems like a good spot to do something I've been putting off too
long.
It's quite obvious that the end of the jinx is due to the sale of my
share of Itbaya. Weeks before the wonderful victory, I completed a
very amicable agreement with Debby Derlacky. Free of the burdensome
weight that goes with my ownership, Itsy promptly went returned to
the winners' circle.
I can truthfully say my heart soared with all the rest of you when I
saw the news, and I'll be following Itsy and VOP with interest. The
circumstances of the sale had nothing to do with any dissatisfaction
with the outfit. I've had my disagreements, but on balance found the
whole experience some of the most fun I've ever had with racing. The
problem here is that neither of the tracks simulcast the Chicago
races this year. It's pure torture not being able to see (and
occaisionally bet) Itsy's races.
So this is Goodbye, with many regrets, to all my VOPster friends.
If there are no regulations against it, I'll stay on the mailing list
so I can keep up with the news. Some day, if the simulcasting Gods
get their act straightened out, I might be back in the partnership .
In the meantime, you should have no shortage of good luck now that
I'm officially out of the ownership picture.
Thanks again to everyone. If you're ever in New England drop me a
note, we'll find a good excuse to get to the track.
Steve Myrick
Steve Myrick
smyrick@concentric.net
VOP MAIL PAGE
20-OCT-1997 10:16:29.59
From: IN%"tlbjor@searle.monsanto.com"
From: tlbjor@searle.monsanto.com
Subject: re: September numbers [3228]
---------------------------------------------------
Cal wrote:
>Sorry for being late on getting this out, but I forgot
>to pick up an account statement from the horseman's book-
>keeper last week.
Did we ever find out whether or not we got any of that underpayment
amount that HAW was supposed to distribute against Fall '95 earnings?
Just curious as to how much it might have been.
Terry
VOP MAIL PAGE
20-OCT-1997 09:49:40.97
From: IN%"Mike_Sasso-CMS040@email.mot.com" "Mike Sasso-CMS040"
From: Mike_Sasso-CMS040@email.mot.com
Subject: Dignify Wins [3227]
---------------------------------------------------
Unsold's foe Dignify won the 3rd race at Keeneland on Sunday. He won a $30k
starter allowance going 1 1/4 on the dirt. He drew off to win by seven
lengths. Not too shabby. Win bet returned $18.40.
-Mike Sasso-
VOP MAIL PAGE
20-OCT-1997 09:40:29.73
From: IN%"joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com" "Pacheco, Joe"
From: joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com
Subject: Fearless Leader Accepts Pick 6 Challenge [3226]
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Y'all,
Once again our fearless leader has stepped forth and accepted the
challenge. Cal has kindly volunteered to coordinate the Pick 6 wager.
The list stands at 26 with the addition of Dan N and Louise M. I
suggest that we get our checks in to Cal as soon as possible. I also
suggest that you let Cal know how much you are sending so he can plan
our Pick 6 strategy. I'm sure Cal would appreciate any assistance in
coordinating our wager (I'm sure we will all have our own input for
Cal). Below is the current list of those interested:
Tom C, Cal, Joe P, Al W., Mark A, Darrell B, Bob P, Steve L, ap
Jim, Cary A, Lynn C, Kent S, Robert H, Gary L, Jen R, Eric D, Rich B
Sean, Brian B, Karen, Joe C, Ed B, Drew I, Dan N and Louise M
Cal put me in for $50. The checks in the mail.
Joe P
VOP MAIL PAGE
20-OCT-1997 09:26:18.02
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com
Subject: Re: Pick 6 Status [3222] [3225]
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On Oct 20, 8:55am, Pacheco, Joe wrote:
> Subject: Pick 6 Status [3222]
> Y'all,
> The list stands at 24:
>
> Tom C, Cal, Joe P, Al W., Mark A, Darrell B, Bob P, Steve L, ap
> Jim, Cary A, Lynn C, Kent S, Robert H, Gary L, Jen R, Eric D, Rich B
> Sean, Brian B, Karen, Joe C, Ed B, Drew I
>
> Please review the list to make sure your name is on the list (It was a
> long weekend). Also, we need to think about getting our checks in for
> the wager. Any volunteers to handle the money and the bet?
Tom Channic did it last time and if he doesn't want the
hassle again, I'll do it.
Cal
> Joe P
>
>-- End of excerpt from Pacheco, Joe
VOP MAIL PAGE
20-OCT-1997 09:18:54.57
From: IN%"louisem@future.dsc.dalsys.com"
From: louisem@future.dsc.dalsys.com
Subject: Re: Breeders Cup Pick 6 [3223] [3224]
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Count me in too
VOP MAIL PAGE
20-OCT-1997 09:06:50.83
From: IN%"dan.m.neurock@ac.com" "dan.m.neurock"
From: dan.m.neurock@ac.com
Subject: RE: Breeders Cup Pick 6 [3223]
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Count me in.
VOP MAIL PAGE
20-OCT-1997 08:59:45.98
From: IN%"joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com" "Pacheco, Joe"
From: joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com
Subject: Pick 6 Status [3222]
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Y'all,
The list stands at 24:
Tom C, Cal, Joe P, Al W., Mark A, Darrell B, Bob P, Steve L, ap
Jim, Cary A, Lynn C, Kent S, Robert H, Gary L, Jen R, Eric D, Rich B
Sean, Brian B, Karen, Joe C, Ed B, Drew I
Please review the list to make sure your name is on the list (It was a
long weekend). Also, we need to think about getting our checks in for
the wager. Any volunteers to handle the money and the bet?
Joe P
VOP MAIL PAGE
20-OCT-1997 07:13:57.30
From: IN%"drew@ctnet.com" "Drew"
From: drew@ctnet.com
Subject: Re: FW: Breeder's Cup Contest [3142] [3151] [3166] [3168] [3180] [3219]
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>I'm interested. Can I play for as little as $25?
I hope so, because I want in for just $5, cheapskate
that I am.
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For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain.
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Drew Ivan drew@ctnet.com
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VOP MAIL PAGE
20-OCT-1997 05:51:16.76
From: IN%"Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com" "Cal Jestice"
From: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com
Subject: September Numbers [3218]
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Y'all,
Sorry for being late on getting this out, but I forgot
to pick up an account statement from the horseman's book-
keeper last week. I remembered it this week, so here 'tis.
No big surprises, Paparouna's vet bill is a bit high due to
all of the allergy treatments and Unsold's is a bit high due
to all the work done on his ankles.
Cal
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Sep-97 Expense and Income for VOP
Paparouna Itbaya Kristy
Start Balance $1,245.70 $2,832.70 $2,079.98
Training $1,500.00 $1,568.00 $1,425.00
Vet $464.00 $97.00 $184.00
Jockey $50.00 $63.25 $0.00
Shipping $0.00 $0.00 $0.00
Photos $0.00 $0.00 $0.00
Other $25.76 $89.01 $25.76
Horse $0.00 $0.00 $0.00
Total Expenses $2,039.76 $1,817.26 $1,634.76
Purse $600.00 $1,265.00 $0.00
Cash Call $1,000.00 $0.00 $1,000.00
Total Income $1,600.00 $1,265.00 $1,000.00
End Balance $805.94 $2,280.44 $1,445.22
Lady Lomond Unsold Dance Naturally
Start Balance $821.97 $1,869.63 $283.41
Training $1,496.00 $1,702.00 $1,425.00
Vet $187.00 $427.00 $136.00
Jockey $80.00 $110.50 $0.00
Shipping $0.00 $0.00 $0.00
Photos $0.00 $0.00 $0.00
Other $57.11 $149.26 $25.76
Horse $0.00 $0.00 $0.00
Total Expenses $1,820.11 $2,388.76 $1,586.76
Purse $627.00 $2,470.00 $0.00
Cash Call $1,800.00 $0.00 $1,800.00
Total Income $2,427.00 $2,470.00 $1,800.00
End Balance $1,428.86 $1,950.87 $496.65
VOP MAIL PAGE
19-OCT-1997 16:32:23.66
From: IN%"Sunwalker@warpnet.net" "Sunwalker Ostrich Ranch"
From: Sunwalker@warpnet.net
Subject: RE: Breeders Cup Pick 6 [3181] [3217]
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Count me in for $25. I'll send an ostrich
feather to wave over the tickets for luck. ;)
Ed "Voodoo" Blair
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From: Pacheco, Joe[SMTP:joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com]
Sent: Friday, October 17, 1997 9:02 PM
To: 'virtual-owners@vop.org'
Subject: Breeders Cup Pick 6 [3181]
Y'all,
Here is a list of the partners interested in the Pick 6:
Cal
Joe P
Tom C
Big Al
Mark A.
Bob P.
Darrell B
Anybody else interested, just add yourself to the list.
Joe P
VOP MAIL PAGE
19-OCT-1997 09:07:02.58
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: Mich. Sire Stakes [3215] [3216]
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Lynn/all.
Those prices are correct lots of people jumping off of
bridges near the motor city today....both Impy and Agiftfrom Bertie ran
out
so the show prices reflect that.
Allan
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Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 09:57:57 -0400
From: Chris & Lynn Cronin
Subject: Mich. Sire Stakes [3215]
To: virtual-owners@vop.org
Reply-to: cnlcronin@voyager.net
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>From the morning paper...can these prices be real??
9th race Sire S. 4 & up F/M-9 furlongs
Time 1:54.4
Pensive Princess 57.00 18.80 32.40!
Pair of Jeans 44.40 49.20!
Double Dani 53.00!
also: Jessie's Alibi, Impulsive Spender, Agiftfrombertie, Majesty's
Sunshine, Rapid Reaction, Imperial Bash, Ruby Ina Red Dress.
Trifecta: $9,434.20
At least Impy picked up a check. I wish I'd gone--would've probably
dropped a $2 show bet on Double Dani for our friend Dani. These 3 must
all have gone off at 99-1!!
Probably a typo.
Lynn
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VOP MAIL PAGE
19-OCT-1997 09:02:21.85
From: IN%"cnlcronin@voyager.net"
From: cnlcronin@voyager.net
Subject: Mich. Sire Stakes [3215]
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From the morning paper...can these prices be real??
9th race Sire S. 4 & up F/M-9 furlongs
Time 1:54.4
Pensive Princess 57.00 18.80 32.40!
Pair of Jeans 44.40 49.20!
Double Dani 53.00!
also: Jessie's Alibi, Impulsive Spender, Agiftfrombertie, Majesty's
Sunshine, Rapid Reaction, Imperial Bash, Ruby Ina Red Dress.
Trifecta: $9,434.20
At least Impy picked up a check. I wish I'd gone--would've probably
dropped a $2 show bet on Double Dani for our friend Dani. These 3 must
all have gone off at 99-1!!
Probably a typo.
Lynn
VOP MAIL PAGE
19-OCT-1997 08:56:09.60
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: stock contest [3214]
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V's,
In unrelated news, theres a fantasy stock market game that has you invest
in 8 stocks with 250k. There are many cash prizes with top prize of 100,000.
The cost is $99.00 to enter. I originally entered from a Chicago Trib. Ad.
Yes, Im in. It ends on Nov. 21. The next one starts Feb. 98
Their site is at
ap
VOP MAIL PAGE
19-OCT-1997 08:47:41.41
From: IN%"RBDN74A@prodigy.com"
From: RBDN74A@prodigy.com
Subject: THE PICK 6 [3210] [3213]
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Pick 6........ Count me in. Need to take a ride on Allan's
coattails!
Joe
VOP MAIL PAGE
19-OCT-1997 08:33:12.06
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: Re: Pick-6 [3205] [3207] [3212]
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Does anyone know what past p-6's paid?
just wondering.
ap
At 06:23 PM 10/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 97-10-18 16:57:14 EDT, you write:
>
><< I'm not an offical partner yet...Still on the Waiting list but if you need
> another C-Note in the pick 6...I'd be glad to donate...
> The DayDreamer,...Rich B.
> >>
>
>Rich....you'll have no trouble fitting in VOP!!!
>
>Sean
>
>
>
VOP MAIL PAGE
19-OCT-1997 08:16:24.54
From: IN%"joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com" "Pacheco, Joe"
From: joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com
Subject: Pick 6 at 21 [3211]
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The list stands at 21:
Tom C
Cal
Joe P
Al W.
Mark A
Darrell B
Bob P
Steve L
ap
Jim
Cary A
Lynn C
Kent S
Robert H
Gary L
Jen R
Eric D
Rich B
Sean
Brian B
Karen
Joe P
VOP MAIL PAGE
18-OCT-1997 23:33:49.89
From: IN%"quiltera2@webtv.net"
From: quiltera2@webtv.net
Subject: THE PICK 6 [3210]
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Hello
I Want in also.
Karen
VOP MAIL PAGE
18-OCT-1997 18:49:56.53
From: IN%"joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com" "Pacheco, Joe"
From: joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com
Subject: Pick 6 Interest Grows [3209]
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The list grows to 19:
Tom C
Cal
Joe P
Al W.
Mark A
Darrell B
Bob P
Steve L
ap
Jim
Cary A
Lynn C
Kent S
Robert H
Gary L
Jen R
Eric D
Rich B
Sean
Joe P
VOP MAIL PAGE
18-OCT-1997 17:29:35.11
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: Re: Pick-6 [3205] [3207] [3208]
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Sean/all,
Got that right!
Allan
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 18:23:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: ChgoRanger@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pick-6 [3205] [3207]
To: Rich4544@concentric.net, virtual-owners@vop.org
Message-id: <971018182340_-1797121770@emout02.mail.aol.com>
Comments: Virtual-Owners-Partnership Mailing List
In a message dated 97-10-18 16:57:14 EDT, you write:
<< I'm not an offical partner yet...Still on the Waiting list but if you need
another C-Note in the pick 6...I'd be glad to donate...
The DayDreamer,...Rich B.
>>
Rich....you'll have no trouble fitting in VOP!!!
Sean
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VOP MAIL PAGE
18-OCT-1997 17:26:49.41
From: IN%"ChgoRanger@aol.com"
From: ChgoRanger@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pick-6 [3205] [3207]
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In a message dated 97-10-18 16:57:14 EDT, you write:
<< I'm not an offical partner yet...Still on the Waiting list but if you need
another C-Note in the pick 6...I'd be glad to donate...
The DayDreamer,...Rich B.
>>
Rich....you'll have no trouble fitting in VOP!!!
Sean
VOP MAIL PAGE
18-OCT-1997 17:16:59.58
From: IN%"ChgoRanger@aol.com"
From: ChgoRanger@aol.com
Subject: Re: FW: Breeder's Cup Contest [3142] [3151] [3166] [3168] [3175] [3206]
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In a message dated 97-10-17 18:33:17 EDT, you write:
<< The Breeder's Cup is now a PIC6. They moved
one of the filly races to the first on the card and made the
pick from 2->7.
I would certainly be up for doing this again and
kicking in a few dollars.
Cal >>
I'm down too...
Sean
VOP MAIL PAGE
18-OCT-1997 15:59:49.53
From: IN%"Rich4544@concentric.net" "Richard R. Buettner"
From: Rich4544@concentric.net
Subject: Pick-6 [3205]
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I'm not an offical partner yet...Still on the Waiting list but if you need
another C-Note in the pick 6...I'd be glad to donate...
The DayDreamer,...Rich B.
VOP MAIL PAGE
18-OCT-1997 15:49:48.01
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: Re: More Sam research [3203] [3204]
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Darrell,
You're a good man< charlie Brown....If you keep this up I
might have to promote you to the "third".....Many thanks for the
research....I am sure it will help in our descion.
Allan
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:01:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Falstafguy@aol.com
Subject: Re: More Sam research [3203]
To: virtual-owners@vop.org
Message-id: <971018150020_-1126035897@emout17.mail.aol.com>
Comments: Virtual-Owners-Partnership Mailing List
In a message dated 97-10-17 18:19:37 EDT, Falstafguy writes:
<< Subj: More Sam research
Date: 97-10-17 18:19:37 EDT
From: Falstafguy
To: virtual-owners@vop.org
VOPers,
Did more research on last year's Sam Houston turf racing. They ran a
little different schedule last year as they took 2 weeks off around Christmas
and New Years and resumed racing January 8th. They went on to race til the
end of April. The dates for this year Nov 28th-April 5th will not include any
big break at the holidays.
First to mention about last season is that apparently there was No turf
races run in January from the 8th until the 30th. After that they seemed to
resume the pattern of 1 turf race a day with an occassional 2 turf race day.
I will also point out that this came out of the Houston Chronicle so some
conditions or claiming prices may not have been printed.
I have a call in to the racing sec at Sam, hoping for a return call
today about this coming season's turf racing including if there will be
January turf racing.
The list of Flash possibles follows. It includes races from the previous
post and final times from the races I looked up today.
12-1 1 1/16 10k claimer purse $5400
12-7 1 1/8 allowance purse $10500
12-8 1 1/16 10k claimer purse$4800
12-12 1 1/8 allowance nw2 other than purse$8900
12-13 1 1/8 10k claimer purse$4800
1-31 1 1/16 allowance purse$10,700 time 1:45.3
2-2 1 1/16 starter allow. purse$5100 time 1:45.4
2-6 1 mile unknown claimer purse$9000
2-7 & 2-8 1 mile 10k claimer purse$5500
2-21 1 1/16 allowance purse$10700
2-22 1 mile allow n3L purse$9000
2-27 1 1/16 allowance purse$8200 time 1:48.3
3-2 1 1/16 10k claimer purse$4800 time 1:47.3
3-8 1 mile allow n4L purse$9700 time 1:39.4
3-19 1 1/16 20k n2L purse$6000 time 1:49.1
3-21 1 mile 16k claimer purse$6200 time 1:39.2
3-23 1 1/8 allowance purse$12700 time 1:51.4
3-26 1 1/16 16k claimer purse$6200 time 1:46.4
3-29 1 1/16 allowance nw3L purse$9000 time 1:47.2
3-29 another 10k claimer also
Darrell B tired of looking at microfilm >>
Sent this on Friday and it never made it to the list--trying again
Saturday afternoon
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VOP MAIL PAGE
18-OCT-1997 14:04:10.62
From: IN%"Falstafguy@aol.com"
From: Falstafguy@aol.com
Subject: Re: More Sam research [3203]
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In a message dated 97-10-17 18:19:37 EDT, Falstafguy writes:
<< Subj: More Sam research
Date: 97-10-17 18:19:37 EDT
From: Falstafguy
To: virtual-owners@vop.org
VOPers,
Did more research on last year's Sam Houston turf racing. They ran a
little different schedule last year as they took 2 weeks off around Christmas
and New Years and resumed racing January 8th. They went on to race til the
end of April. The dates for this year Nov 28th-April 5th will not include any
big break at the holidays.
First to mention about last season is that apparently there was No turf
races run in January from the 8th until the 30th. After that they seemed to
resume the pattern of 1 turf race a day with an occassional 2 turf race day.
I will also point out that this came out of the Houston Chronicle so some
conditions or claiming prices may not have been printed.
I have a call in to the racing sec at Sam, hoping for a return call
today about this coming season's turf racing including if there will be
January turf racing.
The list of Flash possibles follows. It includes races from the previous
post and final times from the races I looked up today.
12-1 1 1/16 10k claimer purse $5400
12-7 1 1/8 allowance purse $10500
12-8 1 1/16 10k claimer purse$4800
12-12 1 1/8 allowance nw2 other than purse$8900
12-13 1 1/8 10k claimer purse$4800
1-31 1 1/16 allowance purse$10,700 time 1:45.3
2-2 1 1/16 starter allow. purse$5100 time 1:45.4
2-6 1 mile unknown claimer purse$9000
2-7 & 2-8 1 mile 10k claimer purse$5500
2-21 1 1/16 allowance purse$10700
2-22 1 mile allow n3L purse$9000
2-27 1 1/16 allowance purse$8200 time 1:48.3
3-2 1 1/16 10k claimer purse$4800 time 1:47.3
3-8 1 mile allow n4L purse$9700 time 1:39.4
3-19 1 1/16 20k n2L purse$6000 time 1:49.1
3-21 1 mile 16k claimer purse$6200 time 1:39.2
3-23 1 1/8 allowance purse$12700 time 1:51.4
3-26 1 1/16 16k claimer purse$6200 time 1:46.4
3-29 1 1/16 allowance nw3L purse$9000 time 1:47.2
3-29 another 10k claimer also
Darrell B tired of looking at microfilm >>
Sent this on Friday and it never made it to the list--trying again
Saturday afternoon
VOP MAIL PAGE
18-OCT-1997 10:59:25.72
From: IN%"jen@jaka.ece.uiuc.edu" "Jen Roth"
From: jen@jaka.ece.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: Breeders Cup Pick 6 [3181] [3197] [3202]
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> >Cal
> >Joe P
> >Tom C
> >Big Al
> >Mark A.
> >Bob P.
> >Darrell B
I'm interested...
--
Jen Roth
jen@jaka.ece.uiuc.edu
Thank you for not dumping core.
VOP MAIL PAGE
18-OCT-1997 10:51:08.72
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: Breeders Cup Pick 6 Lives [3200] [3201]
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Joe/all,
The best way is to have a main ticket with all of the
contenders selected. 80% of pooled money. The other 20% should go to the
angle/plausible longshot with main ticket contenders.......this way if a
longshot comes in....we won't be dead this will take a lot of time to
fill out the nessasary Pick 6 tickets I figure about 50 or so should get
the job done......It is tedious work....but the payoff will be well
worth our while
Allan
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 10:27:25 -0500
From: "Pacheco, Joe"
Subject: Breeders Cup Pick 6 Lives [3200]
To: "'virtual-owners@vop.org'"
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Comments: Virtual-Owners-Partnership Mailing List
Y'all,
We have alot of interest in the Pic 6. Here's the list
Tom C.
Cal J.
Joe P
Al W.
Mark A
Darrell B
Bob P
Steve L
ap
Jim
Cary A
Lynn C
Kent S
Robert H
Gary L
Now we need to determine the logistic for the selctions. The guys that
handled the Pic 7 should jump in here. It might be good if we could
make the selections prior to the races so we all know where we stand.
Any thoughts from the experts?
Joe P
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VOP MAIL PAGE
18-OCT-1997 10:31:42.59
From: IN%"joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com" "Pacheco, Joe"
From: joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com
Subject: Breeders Cup Pick 6 Lives [3200]
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Y'all,
We have alot of interest in the Pic 6. Here's the list
Tom C.
Cal J.
Joe P
Al W.
Mark A
Darrell B
Bob P
Steve L
ap
Jim
Cary A
Lynn C
Kent S
Robert H
Gary L
Now we need to determine the logistic for the selctions. The guys that
handled the Pic 7 should jump in here. It might be good if we could
make the selections prior to the races so we all know where we stand.
Any thoughts from the experts?
Joe P
VOP MAIL PAGE
18-OCT-1997 09:51:08.15
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: Re: Paparouna [3191] [3199]
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I think Ed B. lived much closer to AP than Hawth. so we may not see as many
pap reports.
ap
At 11:09 PM 10/16/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Does anybody know if she worked this week? Ed B., where are ya?
>
> Bob P.
>
>
VOP MAIL PAGE
18-OCT-1997 09:49:07.73
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: Re: where's allen? [3147] [3198]
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CJ, all,................
I got the scoop on allen's lack of posts the other day....................
Someone stole his period key! ;-).........................................
..................................wasn't me...............................
...............................
ap........................
At 12:51 AM 10/18/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Do you................. think............... when his mailbox is full
>(happens often -- prolly full.........................of periods.......)
>that then.................... he can't send.........................email?
;-)
>............................................................................
>............................................................................
>....................
>
>At 04:32 PM 10/16/97 -0500, mikep@ameritech.net wrote:
>>Does anyone know where allen is?..............
>>
>>4:30pm and not ONE message!.......................
>>
>>Someone out east better check............
>>
>>ap.....................;-)............
>>
>
>
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18-OCT-1997 09:06:54.00
From: IN%"oaklawn@apci.net" "Robert J. Hillebrand"
From: oaklawn@apci.net
Subject: Re: Breeders Cup Pick 6 [3181] [3197]
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I'll throw in some money.
Bob Hillebrand
-----Original Message-----
From: Pacheco, Joe
To: 'virtual-owners@vop.org'
Date: Friday, October 17, 1997 8:53 PM
Subject: Breeders Cup Pick 6 [3181]
>Y'all,
>Here is a list of the partners interested in the Pick 6:
>
>Cal
>Joe P
>Tom C
>Big Al
>Mark A.
>Bob P.
>Darrell B
>
>Anybody else interested, just add yourself to the list.
>Joe P
>
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18-OCT-1997 09:01:43.74
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: Re: Pick 6 [3194] [3195] [3196]
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Kent,
I send a couple of my "boys" over to see you. Darrell "the
fourth" B. and "crazy" Joe P.
part of the Lone Star-Retema mob. Give them the loot in unmarked
twenties and a tip on the 8th at Hawthorne and no one gets hurt.
Don Allana
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From: KWSWPS@aol.com
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I'd like to participate (how do you collect the money?)
Kent Saunders
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18-OCT-1997 08:38:16.50
From: IN%"KWSWPS@aol.com"
From: KWSWPS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pick 6 [3194] [3195]
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I'd like to participate (how do you collect the money?)
Kent Saunders
VOP MAIL PAGE
18-OCT-1997 07:52:51.71
From: IN%"cnlcronin@voyager.net"
From: cnlcronin@voyager.net
Subject: Pick 6 [3194]
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Shoot, why not? I'm in too for $25 or so.
Lynn
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18-OCT-1997 07:30:50.47
From: IN%"Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com" "Cal Jestice"
From: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com
Subject: RE: The Scoop: 10/16/97 [3154] [3158] [3183] [3193]
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Y'all,
I don't know if Guidry is available for Paparouna.
Liane wants to keep some continuity with horse and rider
and since Gomez will be leaving for California at the start
of November and Guidry will be leaving for Louisianna after
the Breeder's Cup, we aren't going to have them available.
From the jocks that will be left until the end of the year,
Ray is a good choice.
I don't know the exact plans for Nat. Guidry was
the first call before, but he took the day off. Shane was
the replacement, but he got hurt. Ray filled in for most
of Shane's mounts the rest of the day. The last I had
heard, Guidry had first call.
Cal
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From: Burgooking@aol.com
Sent: Friday, October 17, 1997 10:27 PM
To: biggestal2@webtv.net; virtual-owners@vop.org
Subject: Re: The Scoop: 10/16/97 [3154] [3158] [3183]
Cal:
If Guidry was available for Paparouna why must we
give the ride to Ray? Inquiring minds want to know?
Also is Liane going to let Ray ride Nat again on the
turf? Hell i'd rather see Kelly Sampson!
Sorry I just got back from the Hawks game, maybe
I have had one cold one to much. But I seriously would
like to see someone other than Ray on our horses.
Steve Lewis
VOP MAIL PAGE
18-OCT-1997 06:43:28.72
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: Re: where's allen? [3147] [3190] [3192]
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AP,Chris/all,
Yes, I do post and use periods prolifically. As
I've told a few partners this is the way I think. Some people think (and
type) in full sentences, I don't. So I can do it. It is just exceddingly
difficult for me. I took me 5 minutes to type this.
Allan (the non-conformist)
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 00:51:36 -0500
From: chris.jenner@apropos.com (Chris Jenner)
Subject: Re: where's allen? [3147] [3190]
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Do you................. think............... when his mailbox is full
(happens often -- prolly full.........................of periods.......)
that then.................... he can't send.........................email? ;-)
............................................................................
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At 04:32 PM 10/16/97 -0500, mikep@ameritech.net wrote:
>Does anyone know where allen is?..............
>
>4:30pm and not ONE message!.......................
>
>Someone out east better check............
>
>ap.....................;-)............
>
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18-OCT-1997 02:35:42.96
From: IN%"BobProc@aol.com"
From: BobProc@aol.com
Subject: Paparouna [3191]
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Does anybody know if she worked this week? Ed B., where are ya?
Bob P.
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18-OCT-1997 00:42:28.45
From: IN%"chris.jenner@apropos.com"
From: chris.jenner@apropos.com
Subject: Re: where's allen? [3147] [3190]
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Do you................. think............... when his mailbox is full
(happens often -- prolly full.........................of periods.......)
that then.................... he can't send.........................email? ;-)
............................................................................
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At 04:32 PM 10/16/97 -0500, mikep@ameritech.net wrote:
>Does anyone know where allen is?..............
>
>4:30pm and not ONE message!.......................
>
>Someone out east better check............
>
>ap.....................;-)............
>
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18-OCT-1997 00:42:13.03
From: IN%"chris.jenner@apropos.com"
From: chris.jenner@apropos.com
Subject: Re: Trainer at Sam Houston [3146] [3189]
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Joe, thanks for the efforts. Can anyone who's talked to Sirota confirm
whether he's officially declined interest in Wes?
At 04:08 PM 10/16/97 -0500, Pacheco, Joe wrote:
>Y'all,
>I've got the name and number of a trainer at Sam Houston, Gilbert
>Ciavaglia. He had 17 turf route starters with 4 wins (23.5%). He had a
>total of 82 starts last meet with 18 wins (22%). He is one of the top
>trainers at Sam Houston. I plan to contact him to discuss the
>possiblity of sending him the pud (high level stuff only). If it goes
>OK, I suggest we have Cal and/or Liane talk with him. This is just a
>"Fact Finding Mission", I'm not commiting dittlely swat (Thats sales
>ligo)! Does anybody know anything about Gilbert or have any suggestions
>on a particular question that should be asked?
>Joe P
>
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17-OCT-1997 22:59:04.12
From: IN%"arbourc@flash.net" "Cary Arbour"
From: arbourc@flash.net
Subject: Re: Breeders Cup Pick 6 [3181] [3188]
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You can add me to the Pick 6 list also.
Cary A.
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> From: Pacheco, Joe
> To: 'virtual-owners@vop.org'
> Subject: Breeders Cup Pick 6 [3181]
> Date: Friday, October 17, 1997 9:02 PM
>
> Y'all,
> Here is a list of the partners interested in the Pick 6:
>
> Cal
> Joe P
> Tom C
> Big Al
> Mark A.
> Bob P.
> Darrell B
>
> Anybody else interested, just add yourself to the list.
> Joe P
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17-OCT-1997 22:47:17.22
From: IN%"RJVS65A@prodigy.com"
From: RJVS65A@prodigy.com
Subject: Breeders Cup Pick 6 [3181] [3187]
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V's,
Add me to the list interested in the Pick 6. You know what they say
about a fool and his money...."How'd that fool get any money in the
first place?"
Jim
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Subject: Breeders Cup Pick 6 [3181]
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Comments: Virtual-Owners-Partnership Mailing List
Y'all,
Here is a list of the partners interested in the Pick 6:
Cal
Joe P
Tom C
Big Al
Mark A.
Bob P.
Darrell B
Anybody else interested, just add yourself to the list.
Joe P
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VOP MAIL PAGE
17-OCT-1997 22:46:22.81
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: Re: The Scoop: 10/16/97 [3154] [3158] [3183] [3186]
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At 11:27 PM 10/17/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Cal:
>
>If Guidry was available for Paparouna why must we
>give the ride to Ray? Inquiring minds want to know?
>Also is Liane going to let Ray ride Nat again on the
>turf? Hell i'd rather see Kelly Sampson!
>
>Sorry I just got back from the Hawks game, maybe
>I have had one cold one to much. But I seriously would
>like to see someone other than Ray on our horses.
>
DITTO
ap
>Steve Lewis
>
>
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17-OCT-1997 22:44:27.45
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: breeders cup 6 [3185]
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tom,
I'm in for .10. ;-)
No, I'm in. What kind of stats or numbers do you have for P-6?
when is the race?
ap
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17-OCT-1997 22:35:07.84
From: IN%"Burgooking@aol.com"
From: Burgooking@aol.com
Subject: Re: Breeders Cup Pick 6 [3181] [3184]
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I'm interested;
Steve Lewis
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17-OCT-1997 22:30:47.68
From: IN%"Burgooking@aol.com"
From: Burgooking@aol.com
Subject: Re: The Scoop: 10/16/97 [3154] [3158] [3183]
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Cal:
If Guidry was available for Paparouna why must we
give the ride to Ray? Inquiring minds want to know?
Also is Liane going to let Ray ride Nat again on the
turf? Hell i'd rather see Kelly Sampson!
Sorry I just got back from the Hawks game, maybe
I have had one cold one to much. But I seriously would
like to see someone other than Ray on our horses.
Steve Lewis
VOP MAIL PAGE
17-OCT-1997 21:44:31.82
From: IN%"joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com" "Pacheco, Joe"
From: joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com
Subject: Breeders Cup Pick 6 [3182]
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Y'all,
I reviewed the Breeders Cup home page "www.hollywoodpark.com" and Cal is
right, its a pick 6 with a $2 bet. They also have a $1 rolling pick 3.
The $2 wager will cut down on our number of selections, but what the
hell its Breeders Cup!
Joe P
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17-OCT-1997 21:06:45.71
From: IN%"joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com" "Pacheco, Joe"
From: joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com
Subject: Breeders Cup Pick 6 [3181]
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Y'all,
Here is a list of the partners interested in the Pick 6:
Cal
Joe P
Tom C
Big Al
Mark A.
Bob P.
Darrell B
Anybody else interested, just add yourself to the list.
Joe P
VOP MAIL PAGE
17-OCT-1997 18:41:21.63
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: Michigan Sire Stakes [3148] [3179]
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Lynn,
I downloaded the PP's at lunchtime and while I admire the
gumption of Mr. Speiless for entering his 8k claim two back in a 125k
sire stakes race...Rapid reaction would need a race of Jim Dandy-like
proportions to pull the old upset.......Better chances are Impy who has
to beat the improving Agiftfrom Bertie....but thats all for all the
money Sibille will get the leg up on Impy....impy smashed her last year
by 4...so I am expecing the same tomorrow.....Impy will get no help from
her stablmate so i see it as an easy 1-4 exacta
Allan
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:52:21 -0400
From: Chris & Lynn Cronin
Subject: Michigan Sire Stakes [3148]
To: virtual-owners@vop.org
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Has anyone handicapped the division of the Michigan Sire Stakes in which
Liane's Impulsive Spender will be running? I just got word from Stable
Mail that Rapid Reaction, who is the daughter of my best, favorite filly
I took care of when I worked at the track (That's My Gal) is running in
it, too. Small world! What are the two fillies' chances?
Lynn
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17-OCT-1997 18:38:36.31
From: IN%"00mewhite@bsuvc.bsu.edu" "Michael E. White"
From: 00mewhite@bsuvc.bsu.edu
Subject: Re: Itbaya [3161] [3164] [3169] [3172] [3178]
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On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, John K Martynus wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, Michael E. White wrote:
> > Well all I can say is I've got two win photo's on my wall and they both
> > say 1 mile. Two with Shane up and one with Mark up. Though I'm for the
> > soft spots I think 1 mail is her distance.
> > But I think the secret is getting saddle cloth #5, #6, or #9.
>
> Hmmm...my first Itbaya win photo says 1 1/16 mi with a time of 1:49.3
That's correct, three all together 1 @ 1-1/16 and 2 @ 1 mile.
>
> John K. Martynus JK-Martynus@govst.edu shorts@interaccess.com
> "Of course I left her a tip.Crazy Horse in the 5th at Aqueduct"-Leroy Lockhorn
> "Sometimes I wish I knew what was going on here." --Henry Blake
> "I'm not drunk. I'm sobriety challenged."
>
>
>
>
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17-OCT-1997 17:57:52.89
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: Itbaya [3161] [3177]
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Itsy partners,
Of course alot depend on the weather,
partners.........given her last I like Liane favor the flat mile.....the
only horse I am remotely concerned about is Rita and I doubt her new
connections will opt for this spot....(she was claimed out of WED
race)......sing song wants the extra 1/16 as does nice star......This
time we are sitting in the catbirds seat we are the top looking
down....we have #1 in the 18k-14k class NOW....assuming Rita connections
jump her for her first race for them.......anything close to that 24.2
closing quarter in this class and the partnership makes its shipping
MONEY. As for a claim it is always possible but I think we will be
seeing the VOP silks running down at the FG turf track if all goes well.
Allan
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:08:40 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Dale E. Herman"
Subject: Itbaya [3161]
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On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, Cal Jestice wrote:
> Itbaya is doing exceptionally well after her win. She's
> more outgoing and is actually sticking her head out of the stall
> when partners come to visit. Liane is pointing her towards the
> 18K claimer on the 28th(?). Guidry will be taking the ride back.
> Liane is impressed with the way Itbaya is running lately. She
> said that if Itbaya could put in another race like she did the last
> time, she'd feel good about taking her to the FG to race over the
> winter in the 25K claimers. She's impressed with the way Itbaya
> has found a renewed interest in racing.
On Wednesday, 10/16, there were two 3+, f&m turf races at Hawthorne:
18K, purse $12,500, 1-1/16m, Won by Rita Rucker with Song Song Sing and
Myrtle's Music right behind. Nice Star got 4th. Sunny Syrianna got 5th.
That's a pretty tough 18K field.
14K, purse $11,000, 7-1/2f, Won by Bet She Wins by four lengths as a
0.70-1 favorite. The rest of the field was trash.
The 14K race was an order of magnitude easier than the 18K race. It's the
end of the season "I better drop this turf horse in class and pick up a
check" time. We've only got one more shot at a win in Chicago this year.
If a 14K race comes up when Itbaya is ready, we better not pass it up.
I'm not buying that Itbaya is suddenly Ms. Superhorse based on one win and
a suddenly charming personality. :)
Let's be sensible and go for an easy 14K spot if it comes along (I don't
have a Hawthorne book). I don't want to wait another two years for her
next win. :)
If she wins back-to-back races we can consider racing her this winter.
Dale H.
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17-OCT-1997 17:22:22.97
From: IN%"Falstafguy@aol.com"
From: Falstafguy@aol.com
Subject: Sam turf for Nat [3173]
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VOPers,
There were also some turf possibles for Nat at Sam. She would have to
stretch out to a mile or more in these from last season. There were of course
a number of dirt races for her as well. All are for fillys/mares
11-30 1 mile 10k nw3L purse$4800
12-5 1 1/8 allowance purse$10000
Don't have anything else written down from December but was looking more for
Unsold races at the time.
1-30 1 1/16 10k claimer purse$5500 time 1:47.1
2-8 1 mile starter allow purse$5100
2-9 1 1/16 ??? purse$10700
2-19 1 1/16 $6250 claimer purse$4700
2-20 1 1/16 ??? off turf
2-23 1 mile allowance purse$12700
3-9 1 1/16 allowance purse ?? time 1:39.4
3-13 1 mile $6250 purse$4700 2 scheduled-both off turf
3-22 1 1/16 starter allowance purse$5100 time 1:46.4
3-27 1 1/16 allowance purse$9000 time 1:48,4
3-28 1 1/16 12.5k claimer purse5800 time 1:47.3
Darrell B
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17-OCT-1997 17:06:52.15
From: IN%"shorts@interaccess.com" "John K Martynus"
From: shorts@interaccess.com
Subject: Re: Itbaya [3161] [3164] [3169] [3172]
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On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, Michael E. White wrote:
> Well all I can say is I've got two win photo's on my wall and they both
> say 1 mile. Two with Shane up and one with Mark up. Though I'm for the
> soft spots I think 1 mail is her distance.
> But I think the secret is getting saddle cloth #5, #6, or #9.
Hmmm...my first Itbaya win photo says 1 1/16 mi with a time of 1:49.3
John K. Martynus JK-Martynus@govst.edu shorts@interaccess.com
"Of course I left her a tip.Crazy Horse in the 5th at Aqueduct"-Leroy Lockhorn
"Sometimes I wish I knew what was going on here." --Henry Blake
"I'm not drunk. I'm sobriety challenged."
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17-OCT-1997 17:03:35.23
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: Re: FW: Breeder's Cup Contest [3142] [3151] [3166] [3168] [3171]
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Tom,
Put me in for a hundred........I thought that pick 9 was a
gamble with cheap claimers....now were are talking creme de creme so put
me in for a C note.......oh boy just wait until you hear my opionions
...............
Allan
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:25:47 -0500 (CDT)
From: Tom Channic
Subject: Re: FW: Breeder's Cup Contest [3142] [3151] [3166] [3168]
In-reply-to:
Sender: channic@clark.devl.kcco.com
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Comments: Virtual-Owners-Partnership Mailing List
Well, we raised (or dropped depending on your outlook) almost $1000 dollars
for the Pick 9 at Sportsman's in May. If I'm not mistaken the Pick 7 is
only $1 minimum wager, so a similar amount would go a lot farther than
our Pick 9 which singled two races (both lost). For example, $864 would
allow us 2 horses in 3 races, 3 horses in 3 other races and 4 horses in
the remaining race.
This does sound like fun. Anyone else game?
Tom C.
PS. Can someone else verify the $1 minimum?
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17-OCT-1997 16:40:14.16
From: IN%"tlbjor@searle.monsanto.com"
From: tlbjor@searle.monsanto.com
Subject: re: Itbaya [3170]
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Dale H. wrote:
>The distance does make the 18K race a little more attractive, but I think
>I still would prefer the 14K race (assuming a neutral weather forecast).
I would always prefer the mile distance, myself.
1-1/16 is poopout distance for Itbaya.
Terry
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17-OCT-1997 16:37:51.09
From: IN%"00mewhite@bsuvc.bsu.edu" "Michael E. White"
From: 00mewhite@bsuvc.bsu.edu
Subject: Re: Itbaya [3161] [3164] [3169]
---------------------------------------------------
On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, Dale E. Herman wrote:
>
> On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, Dale E. Herman wrote:
>
> > The 14K race was an order of magnitude easier than the 18K race. It's the
> > end of the season "I better drop this turf horse in class and pick up a
> > check" time. We've only got one more shot at a win in Chicago this year.
> > If a 14K race comes up when Itbaya is ready, we better not pass it up.
> > I'm not buying that Itbaya is suddenly Ms. Superhorse based on one win and
> > a suddenly charming personality. :)
>
> I picked up a 10/19 to 11/8 condition book at lunch. It says:
>
> 10/28 18K, F&M, 1 mile, $12,500 purse
> 10/29 14K, F&M, 1-1/16 mile, $11,000 purse
> 11/5 35K, F&M, 1-1/16 mile, $17,000 purse
>
> Good news: 18K race is one mile - better for Itbaya
> Bad news: Lack of 25K races will shove better horses into 18K race
>
> The distance does make the 18K race a little more attractive, but I think
> I still would prefer the 14K race (assuming a neutral weather forecast).
>
> Easy wins are way more fun than "almost got there" seconds.
> What say yee, Cal?
>
> Dale H.
>
>
Well all I can say is I've got two win photo's on my wall and they both
say 1 mile. Two with Shane up and one with Mark up. Though I'm for the
soft spots I think 1 mail is her distance.
But I think the secret is getting saddle cloth #5, #6, or #9.
Mike
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17-OCT-1997 15:27:50.76
From: IN%"joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com" "Pacheco, Joe"
From: joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com
Subject: FW: Breeder's Cup Contest [3142] [3151] [3166]
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>----------
>From: Pacheco, Joe
>Sent: Friday, October 17, 1997 3:20 PM
>To: 'biggestal2@webtv.net'
>Cc: 'vitual-owners@vop.org'
>Subject: RE: Breeder's Cup Contest [3142] [3151]
>
>Y'all,
>I think Big Al has a good idea, but how about taking it further. I had a
>blast with our last effort at the "Big Score". We fell a bit short last
>time, but how about pooling our resources and going after the PIC 7 for the
>Breeders Cup? I can't remember how much we put together last time, but with
>the Breeders Cup three weeks away, we should be able to put a similar pool
>together.
>Any interest?
>Joe P
>
>----------
>From: biggestal2@webtv.net[SMTP:biggestal2@webtv.net]
>Sent: Thursday, October 16, 1997 5:44 PM
>To: virtual-owners@vop.org
>Subject: Fwd: Breeder's Cup Contest [3142] [3151]
>
><>
>Ed/all,
> As usual I am going to make myself the 3/5 ML fav to win the
>hat......might as well hand it over now......will save everybody else
>alot of heartache.......I expect to sweep the card like I did last
>year.......oh i had one winner out of seven.......not a good
>example.......okay how about the VOP handicapping chalange.......I
>finish with about 10 bucks from a large bankroll
>but ahead of McChump.......not exactly the best moment this
>year..........come to think of it better make me a longshot :-)
>
> Allan
>
>
>
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17-OCT-1997 14:57:27.71
From: IN%"drew@ctnet.com" "Drew"
From: drew@ctnet.com
Subject: Re: Itbaya [3161] [3164] [3165]
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>10/28 18K, F&M, 1 mile, $12,500 purse
>10/29 14K, F&M, 1-1/16 mile, $11,000 purse
>11/5 35K, F&M, 1-1/16 mile, $17,000 purse
>
>Good news: 18K race is one mile - better for Itbaya
>Bad news: Lack of 25K races will shove better horses into 18K race
Better distance and tougher competition? Or easier competition
and a less attractive distance? What a quandry. I think both
races will be about the same. Maybe Liane can sniff around and
see just how hard the 18K race is likely to be.
Also, the 14K is slightly more likely at attract a claim (though
I think a claim at any price is highly unlikely), which would be
a very nice price at a time when we're looking to exit.
====================================================
Am I ignorant or merely apathetic?
I don't know and I don't care.
----------------------------------------------------
Drew Ivan drew@ctnet.com
====================================================
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17-OCT-1997 14:44:02.10
From: IN%"herman@enteract.com" "Dale E. Herman"
From: herman@enteract.com
Subject: Re: Itbaya [3161] [3164]
---------------------------------------------------
On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, Dale E. Herman wrote:
> The 14K race was an order of magnitude easier than the 18K race. It's the
> end of the season "I better drop this turf horse in class and pick up a
> check" time. We've only got one more shot at a win in Chicago this year.
> If a 14K race comes up when Itbaya is ready, we better not pass it up.
> I'm not buying that Itbaya is suddenly Ms. Superhorse based on one win and
> a suddenly charming personality. :)
I picked up a 10/19 to 11/8 condition book at lunch. It says:
10/28 18K, F&M, 1 mile, $12,500 purse
10/29 14K, F&M, 1-1/16 mile, $11,000 purse
11/5 35K, F&M, 1-1/16 mile, $17,000 purse
Good news: 18K race is one mile - better for Itbaya
Bad news: Lack of 25K races will shove better horses into 18K race
The distance does make the 18K race a little more attractive, but I think
I still would prefer the 14K race (assuming a neutral weather forecast).
Easy wins are way more fun than "almost got there" seconds.
What say yee, Cal?
Dale H.
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17-OCT-1997 14:11:42.30
From: IN%"Mike_Sasso-CMS040@email.mot.com" "Mike Sasso-CMS040"
From: Mike_Sasso-CMS040@email.mot.com
Subject: Dignify [3163]
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Partners:
Dignify, the horse that bettered Wes by a nose a few races back and then
beat em by about 5 lengths in the N1X is running in a Starter Allowance at
Keeneland on Sunday. It will be interesting to see how he does against the
much tougher competition. This one is going to be a dirt route.
-Mike Sasso-
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17-OCT-1997 09:11:51.14
From: IN%"herman@enteract.com" "Dale E. Herman"
From: herman@enteract.com
Subject: Itbaya [3161]
---------------------------------------------------
On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, Cal Jestice wrote:
> Itbaya is doing exceptionally well after her win. She's
> more outgoing and is actually sticking her head out of the stall
> when partners come to visit. Liane is pointing her towards the
> 18K claimer on the 28th(?). Guidry will be taking the ride back.
> Liane is impressed with the way Itbaya is running lately. She
> said that if Itbaya could put in another race like she did the last
> time, she'd feel good about taking her to the FG to race over the
> winter in the 25K claimers. She's impressed with the way Itbaya
> has found a renewed interest in racing.
On Wednesday, 10/16, there were two 3+, f&m turf races at Hawthorne:
18K, purse $12,500, 1-1/16m, Won by Rita Rucker with Song Song Sing and
Myrtle's Music right behind. Nice Star got 4th. Sunny Syrianna got 5th.
That's a pretty tough 18K field.
14K, purse $11,000, 7-1/2f, Won by Bet She Wins by four lengths as a
0.70-1 favorite. The rest of the field was trash.
The 14K race was an order of magnitude easier than the 18K race. It's the
end of the season "I better drop this turf horse in class and pick up a
check" time. We've only got one more shot at a win in Chicago this year.
If a 14K race comes up when Itbaya is ready, we better not pass it up.
I'm not buying that Itbaya is suddenly Ms. Superhorse based on one win and
a suddenly charming personality. :)
Let's be sensible and go for an easy 14K spot if it comes along (I don't
have a Hawthorne book). I don't want to wait another two years for her
next win. :)
If she wins back-to-back races we can consider racing her this winter.
Dale H.
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17-OCT-1997 08:22:00.06
From: IN%"Mike_Sasso-CMS040@email.mot.com" "Mike Sasso-CMS040"
From: Mike_Sasso-CMS040@email.mot.com
Subject: RE: Michigan Sire Stakes [3148] [3160]
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Lynn:
I talked to Herschell briefly before Lady Lomond's race. He seemed to be
very positive about Impulsive Spender's chances. When I asked if he was
familiar with any of the other horses, he mentioned Rapid Reaction saying
that Spender beat her handily last time they faced each other.
-Mike Sasso-
________________________________________________________
To: virtual-owners@vop.org@INTERNET
From: cnlcronin@voyager.net@INTERNET on Thu, Oct 16, 1997 5:10 PM
Subject: Michigan Sire Stakes [3148]
Has anyone handicapped the division of the Michigan Sire Stakes in which
Liane's Impulsive Spender will be running? I just got word from Stable
Mail that Rapid Reaction, who is the daughter of my best, favorite filly
I took care of when I worked at the track (That's My Gal) is running in
it, too. Small world! What are the two fillies' chances?
Lynn
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17-OCT-1997 06:58:28.56
From: IN%"Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com" "Cal Jestice"
From: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com
Subject: RE: The Scoop: 10/16/97 [3154] [3155] [3159]
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Y'all,
Liane wants to give Nat one more shot on the
turf before the end of the season. Since there's no N2L
in the book, the N3L should get most of the same horses
as her last race.
Cal
----------
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 1997 9:27 PM
To: virtual-owners@vop.org
Subject: Re: The Scoop: 10/16/97 [3154] [3155]
Cal,
Why is a nw3l being considered for nat?
I didn't realize she won 2 races.
I don't think she has to have turf......
ap
At 01:35 AM 10/17/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Y'all,
>
> I'm still waiting on cash call checks from the following
>partners. Please get your checks to me as soon as possible.
>
>Charles Baker Brian Brandt Joe Calvo Eric Dawson
>Dave Polewka Nick Urso Dave Verret
>
> Lady Lomond is doing fine after her race. Liane put on
>front wraps for Lady's last race to give the sore ankle a little more
>support and it seemed to help. Carlos said he did not notice Lady
>favoring the ankle and there wasn't much heat in the ankle after the
>race. Lady is feeling good and will be ready to go before the end
>of the month. Unfortunately, the 7K race then is at 6.5 and Liane is
>going to try to get an extra written going 6f. She's leaning towards
>skipping the 6.5 and waiting if needed.
>
> Paparouna is doing well and is pointed towards the race
>on the 29th. She'll work at Hawthorne early next week and should
>be set to go. Ray will be riding Paparouna again.
>
> KLH is doing well and will have his first breeze next week
>after Liane moves to the other side. Liane says that his knees
>bother him a bit on some days, but that's to be expected. He had
>an exceptionally good gallop today and overall, he's coming along
>well and has a good attitude.
>
> Dance Naturally is doing great, but doesn't have a definite
>race planned. There's no N2L races on the turf. The closest we
>have for her is a N3L and N1X at the end of the month. Liane is
>leaning towards the N3L, but as always, the weather and how
>Nat is feeling will play a role in which race we'll shoot for. Liane
>is trying to get Guidry for the ride.
>
> Itbaya is doing exceptionally well after her win. She's
>more outgoing and is actually sticking her head out of the stall
>when partners come to visit. Liane is pointing her towards the
>18K claimer on the 28th(?). Guidry will be taking the ride back.
>Liane is impressed with the way Itbaya is running lately. She
>said that if Itbaya could put in another race like she did the last
>time, she'd feel good about taking her to the FG to race over the
>winter in the 25K claimers. She's impressed with the way Itbaya
>has found a renewed interest in racing.
>
> Unsold is still sore in his ankle and is training as best he
>can. Liane is looking at an N1X on 11/3 for his next race. She'd
>prefer the N2L, but Unsold needs as much time as possible to
>let his ankle cool down. I told Liane about our investigation of
>Sam Houston to find an easier spot for Unsold and she thought
>he would appreciate the easier competition there. She's going
>to get me a list of trainers she knows that are reputable and have
>worked with in the past. Hopefully, I'll get a list by the beginning
>of next week. She also mentioned that the FG are carding starter
>8K races on the turf, but that's still a bit of a stretch.
>
> Hawthorne was kind enough to send me passes for 10
>box seats and programs for my birthday this Saturday. If anyone
>wants one, let me know and we'll pick a spot to meet at the track.
>
>Cal
>
>
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17-OCT-1997 02:18:38.70
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: The Scoop: 10/16/97 [3154] [3158]
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Cal/all,
I too was impressed with Itsy's race. It was a nice time esp.
when compared to the 50k claimer the same day at the same distance won
by golden genie ws only 2/5 of a second faster and she won by
7.......One of those 7.5 dealies
at the 25k level at the FG seems right up her alley if she stays in her
present form. She raised her game the last time out. It will be
interesting to see her next from a handicapping perceptive.
Thanks for asking Liane about trainers
down at Sam Houston. Sorry to hear about his ankle.
Allan
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 01:35:28 +0000 (UT)
From: Cal Jestice
Subject: The Scoop: 10/16/97 [3154]
To: virtual-owners@vop.org
Message-id:
Comments: Virtual-Owners-Partnership Mailing List
Y'all,
I'm still waiting on cash call checks from the following
partners. Please get your checks to me as soon as possible.
Charles Baker Brian Brandt Joe Calvo Eric Dawson
Dave Polewka Nick Urso Dave Verret
Lady Lomond is doing fine after her race. Liane put on
front wraps for Lady's last race to give the sore ankle a little more
support and it seemed to help. Carlos said he did not notice Lady
favoring the ankle and there wasn't much heat in the ankle after the
race. Lady is feeling good and will be ready to go before the end
of the month. Unfortunately, the 7K race then is at 6.5 and Liane is
going to try to get an extra written going 6f. She's leaning towards
skipping the 6.5 and waiting if needed.
Paparouna is doing well and is pointed towards the race
on the 29th. She'll work at Hawthorne early next week and should
be set to go. Ray will be riding Paparouna again.
KLH is doing well and will have his first breeze next week
after Liane moves to the other side. Liane says that his knees
bother him a bit on some days, but that's to be expected. He had
an exceptionally good gallop today and overall, he's coming along
well and has a good attitude.
Dance Naturally is doing great, but doesn't have a definite
race planned. There's no N2L races on the turf. The closest we
have for her is a N3L and N1X at the end of the month. Liane is
leaning towards the N3L, but as always, the weather and how
Nat is feeling will play a role in which race we'll shoot for. Liane
is trying to get Guidry for the ride.
Itbaya is doing exceptionally well after her win. She's
more outgoing and is actually sticking her head out of the stall
when partners come to visit. Liane is pointing her towards the
18K claimer on the 28th(?). Guidry will be taking the ride back.
Liane is impressed with the way Itbaya is running lately. She
said that if Itbaya could put in another race like she did the last
time, she'd feel good about taking her to the FG to race over the
winter in the 25K claimers. She's impressed with the way Itbaya
has found a renewed interest in racing.
Unsold is still sore in his ankle and is training as best he
can. Liane is looking at an N1X on 11/3 for his next race. She'd
prefer the N2L, but Unsold needs as much time as possible to
let his ankle cool down. I told Liane about our investigation of
Sam Houston to find an easier spot for Unsold and she thought
he would appreciate the easier competition there. She's going
to get me a list of trainers she knows that are reputable and have
worked with in the past. Hopefully, I'll get a list by the beginning
of next week. She also mentioned that the FG are carding starter
8K races on the turf, but that's still a bit of a stretch.
Hawthorne was kind enough to send me passes for 10
box seats and programs for my birthday this Saturday. If anyone
wants one, let me know and we'll pick a spot to meet at the track.
Cal
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16-OCT-1997 22:33:06.96
From: IN%"tlbjork@ais.net"
From: tlbjork@ais.net
Subject: re: Michigan sire stakes [3157]
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Lynn C. asked:
> Has anyone handicapped the division of the Michigan Sire Stakes in
> which Liane's Impulsive Spender will be running? I just got word from > Stable Mail that Rapid Reaction, who is the daughter of my best,
> favorite filly I took care of when I worked at the track (That's My
> Gal) is running in it, too. Small world! What are the two fillies' > chances?
If I was going to bet this one, which I'm not, I'd lay off Impulsive
Spender. Can't say why.
Now watch her win.
Terry
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16-OCT-1997 21:28:37.01
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: Re: The Scoop: 10/16/97 [3154] [3155]
---------------------------------------------------
Cal,
Why is a nw3l being considered for nat?
I didn't realize she won 2 races.
I don't think she has to have turf......
ap
At 01:35 AM 10/17/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Y'all,
>
> I'm still waiting on cash call checks from the following
>partners. Please get your checks to me as soon as possible.
>
>Charles Baker Brian Brandt Joe Calvo Eric Dawson
>Dave Polewka Nick Urso Dave Verret
>
> Lady Lomond is doing fine after her race. Liane put on
>front wraps for Lady's last race to give the sore ankle a little more
>support and it seemed to help. Carlos said he did not notice Lady
>favoring the ankle and there wasn't much heat in the ankle after the
>race. Lady is feeling good and will be ready to go before the end
>of the month. Unfortunately, the 7K race then is at 6.5 and Liane is
>going to try to get an extra written going 6f. She's leaning towards
>skipping the 6.5 and waiting if needed.
>
> Paparouna is doing well and is pointed towards the race
>on the 29th. She'll work at Hawthorne early next week and should
>be set to go. Ray will be riding Paparouna again.
>
> KLH is doing well and will have his first breeze next week
>after Liane moves to the other side. Liane says that his knees
>bother him a bit on some days, but that's to be expected. He had
>an exceptionally good gallop today and overall, he's coming along
>well and has a good attitude.
>
> Dance Naturally is doing great, but doesn't have a definite
>race planned. There's no N2L races on the turf. The closest we
>have for her is a N3L and N1X at the end of the month. Liane is
>leaning towards the N3L, but as always, the weather and how
>Nat is feeling will play a role in which race we'll shoot for. Liane
>is trying to get Guidry for the ride.
>
> Itbaya is doing exceptionally well after her win. She's
>more outgoing and is actually sticking her head out of the stall
>when partners come to visit. Liane is pointing her towards the
>18K claimer on the 28th(?). Guidry will be taking the ride back.
>Liane is impressed with the way Itbaya is running lately. She
>said that if Itbaya could put in another race like she did the last
>time, she'd feel good about taking her to the FG to race over the
>winter in the 25K claimers. She's impressed with the way Itbaya
>has found a renewed interest in racing.
>
> Unsold is still sore in his ankle and is training as best he
>can. Liane is looking at an N1X on 11/3 for his next race. She'd
>prefer the N2L, but Unsold needs as much time as possible to
>let his ankle cool down. I told Liane about our investigation of
>Sam Houston to find an easier spot for Unsold and she thought
>he would appreciate the easier competition there. She's going
>to get me a list of trainers she knows that are reputable and have
>worked with in the past. Hopefully, I'll get a list by the beginning
>of next week. She also mentioned that the FG are carding starter
>8K races on the turf, but that's still a bit of a stretch.
>
> Hawthorne was kind enough to send me passes for 10
>box seats and programs for my birthday this Saturday. If anyone
>wants one, let me know and we'll pick a spot to meet at the track.
>
>Cal
>
>
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16-OCT-1997 20:44:33.93
From: IN%"Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com" "Cal Jestice"
From: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com
Subject: The Scoop: 10/16/97 [3154]
---------------------------------------------------
Y'all,
I'm still waiting on cash call checks from the following
partners. Please get your checks to me as soon as possible.
Charles Baker Brian Brandt Joe Calvo Eric Dawson
Dave Polewka Nick Urso Dave Verret
Lady Lomond is doing fine after her race. Liane put on
front wraps for Lady's last race to give the sore ankle a little more
support and it seemed to help. Carlos said he did not notice Lady
favoring the ankle and there wasn't much heat in the ankle after the
race. Lady is feeling good and will be ready to go before the end
of the month. Unfortunately, the 7K race then is at 6.5 and Liane is
going to try to get an extra written going 6f. She's leaning towards
skipping the 6.5 and waiting if needed.
Paparouna is doing well and is pointed towards the race
on the 29th. She'll work at Hawthorne early next week and should
be set to go. Ray will be riding Paparouna again.
KLH is doing well and will have his first breeze next week
after Liane moves to the other side. Liane says that his knees
bother him a bit on some days, but that's to be expected. He had
an exceptionally good gallop today and overall, he's coming along
well and has a good attitude.
Dance Naturally is doing great, but doesn't have a definite
race planned. There's no N2L races on the turf. The closest we
have for her is a N3L and N1X at the end of the month. Liane is
leaning towards the N3L, but as always, the weather and how
Nat is feeling will play a role in which race we'll shoot for. Liane
is trying to get Guidry for the ride.
Itbaya is doing exceptionally well after her win. She's
more outgoing and is actually sticking her head out of the stall
when partners come to visit. Liane is pointing her towards the
18K claimer on the 28th(?). Guidry will be taking the ride back.
Liane is impressed with the way Itbaya is running lately. She
said that if Itbaya could put in another race like she did the last
time, she'd feel good about taking her to the FG to race over the
winter in the 25K claimers. She's impressed with the way Itbaya
has found a renewed interest in racing.
Unsold is still sore in his ankle and is training as best he
can. Liane is looking at an N1X on 11/3 for his next race. She'd
prefer the N2L, but Unsold needs as much time as possible to
let his ankle cool down. I told Liane about our investigation of
Sam Houston to find an easier spot for Unsold and she thought
he would appreciate the easier competition there. She's going
to get me a list of trainers she knows that are reputable and have
worked with in the past. Hopefully, I'll get a list by the beginning
of next week. She also mentioned that the FG are carding starter
8K races on the turf, but that's still a bit of a stretch.
Hawthorne was kind enough to send me passes for 10
box seats and programs for my birthday this Saturday. If anyone
wants one, let me know and we'll pick a spot to meet at the track.
Cal
VOP MAIL PAGE
16-OCT-1997 20:42:52.45
From: IN%"Falstafguy@aol.com"
From: Falstafguy@aol.com
Subject: Where is Hawthorne on my TV Part II [3153]
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VOPers
Sooooooooooooooo I call Retama back and talk to Steve the simulcasting
man and ask about Hawthorne. He says that there was very little interest in
Arlington plus some contractual thing about Haw signal costing more so they
hadn't picked it up.
"But Steve" I said " How about all that money I put in the Retama coffers"?
"If there is no Hawthorne then there is no need to drive down there".
He did say that they might consider picking up the signal on Monday thru
Weds. I guess that is better than nothing if they do that. Soooooooooooooo we
will see.
DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDarrell
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16-OCT-1997 19:55:28.25
From: IN%"Falstafguy@aol.com"
From: Falstafguy@aol.com
Subject: More Sam research to come [3152]
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VOPers,
I'll be heading back to the library on Friday to get more info on Sam
Houston turf racing from last season Why this time I'll even remember to note
those winning times for comparison.
Darrell B
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16-OCT-1997 17:47:59.66
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: Breeder's Cup Contest [3142] [3151]
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Ed/all,
As usual I am going to make myself the 3/5 ML fav to win the
hat......might as well hand it over now......will save everybody else
alot of heartache.......I expect to sweep the card like I did last
year.......oh i had one winner out of seven.......not a good
example.......okay how about the VOP handicapping chalange.......I
finish with about 10 bucks from a large bankroll
but ahead of McChump.......not exactly the best moment this
year..........come to think of it better make me a longshot :-)
Allan
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:30:08 -0500
From: Sunwalker Ostrich Ranch
Subject: Breeder's Cup Contest [3142]
To: "'All VOP'sters'"
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All
Well, one contest ends and another begins! Dana
and I are sponsoring a contest to pick the most winners
of the seven Breeder's Cup races. A tough assignment
but I'm sure there will be many of you ready to accept
the challenge.
What prize could be worth such a difficult task? The
winner will be the first non-family member to receive one
of the limited, first-run SunWalker Ranch caps! Yes, you'll
be the envy of everyone you meet when you appear in
public wearing this attractive hat featuring a trio of ostriches
silhouetted against a rising sun with the ranch name
emblazoned across the top.
So sharpen your pencils and break out your forms. The
deadline for entries will be midnight before BC day. Good
luck to all who dare to enter!
Ed
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16-OCT-1997 17:29:34.35
From: IN%"debbderl@uic.edu"
From: debbderl@uic.edu
Subject: Re: where's allen? [3147] [3150]
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>Does anyone know where allen is?..............
>
>4:30pm and not ONE message!.......................
>
>Someone out east better check............
>
>ap.....................;-)............
>
He's probably reading thru 3.5MB of Arlington results, race by race by race
by..........
Debby D
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16-OCT-1997 17:14:40.17
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: Trainer at Sam Houston [3146] [3149]
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Joe,
Here are he questions I would like asked of him.
1. What does he charge per day?
2. Does he train at Lone Star too?
Well thats all that I can think of right now!
Allan
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:08:11 -0500
From: "Pacheco, Joe"
Subject: Trainer at Sam Houston [3146]
To: "'virtual-owners@vop.org'"
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Y'all,
I've got the name and number of a trainer at Sam Houston, Gilbert
Ciavaglia. He had 17 turf route starters with 4 wins (23.5%). He had a
total of 82 starts last meet with 18 wins (22%). He is one of the top
trainers at Sam Houston. I plan to contact him to discuss the
possiblity of sending him the pud (high level stuff only). If it goes
OK, I suggest we have Cal and/or Liane talk with him. This is just a
"Fact Finding Mission", I'm not commiting dittlely swat (Thats sales
ligo)! Does anybody know anything about Gilbert or have any suggestions
on a particular question that should be asked?
Joe P
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VOP MAIL PAGE
16-OCT-1997 16:56:55.80
From: IN%"cnlcronin@voyager.net"
From: cnlcronin@voyager.net
Subject: Michigan Sire Stakes [3148]
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Has anyone handicapped the division of the Michigan Sire Stakes in which
Liane's Impulsive Spender will be running? I just got word from Stable
Mail that Rapid Reaction, who is the daughter of my best, favorite filly
I took care of when I worked at the track (That's My Gal) is running in
it, too. Small world! What are the two fillies' chances?
Lynn
VOP MAIL PAGE
16-OCT-1997 16:37:29.18
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: where's allen? [3147]
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Does anyone know where allen is?..............
4:30pm and not ONE message!.......................
Someone out east better check............
ap.....................;-)............
VOP MAIL PAGE
16-OCT-1997 16:12:20.73
From: IN%"joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com" "Pacheco, Joe"
From: joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com
Subject: Trainer at Sam Houston [3146]
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Y'all,
I've got the name and number of a trainer at Sam Houston, Gilbert
Ciavaglia. He had 17 turf route starters with 4 wins (23.5%). He had a
total of 82 starts last meet with 18 wins (22%). He is one of the top
trainers at Sam Houston. I plan to contact him to discuss the
possiblity of sending him the pud (high level stuff only). If it goes
OK, I suggest we have Cal and/or Liane talk with him. This is just a
"Fact Finding Mission", I'm not commiting dittlely swat (Thats sales
ligo)! Does anybody know anything about Gilbert or have any suggestions
on a particular question that should be asked?
Joe P
VOP MAIL PAGE
16-OCT-1997 10:20:17.97
From: IN%"Mike_Sasso-CMS040@email.mot.com" "Mike Sasso-CMS040"
From: Mike_Sasso-CMS040@email.mot.com
Subject: RE: silks [3144] [3145]
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>>Did he get Brian's silks? Those are pretty bright.<<
Nope. Similar color scheme, but Brian's are better looking.
I think they had an "H" on the back.
-Mike Sasso-
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To: virtual-owners@vop.org@INTERNET
From: tlbjor@searle.monsanto.com@INTERNET on Thu, Oct 16, 1997 10:03 AM
Subject: silks [3144]
Mike Sasso asked:
>Hey, did anyone notice Silva's funky silks yesterday. Made it pretty easy
to
>spot our horse from across the track, huh?
Did he get Brian's silks? Those are pretty bright.
Terry
VOP MAIL PAGE
16-OCT-1997 09:51:32.29
From: IN%"tlbjor@searle.monsanto.com"
From: tlbjor@searle.monsanto.com
Subject: silks [3144]
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Mike Sasso asked:
>Hey, did anyone notice Silva's funky silks yesterday. Made it pretty easy
to
>spot our horse from across the track, huh?
Did he get Brian's silks? Those are pretty bright.
Terry
VOP MAIL PAGE
16-OCT-1997 01:31:05.53
From: IN%"BobProc@aol.com"
From: BobProc@aol.com
Subject: Re: Lady's Third [3117] [3143]
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Debbie,
Heeeeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!???
Bob P. ;-)
VOP MAIL PAGE
15-OCT-1997 21:14:05.80
From: IN%"Sunwalker@warpnet.net" "Sunwalker Ostrich Ranch"
From: Sunwalker@warpnet.net
Subject: Breeder's Cup Contest [3142]
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All
Well, one contest ends and another begins! Dana
and I are sponsoring a contest to pick the most winners
of the seven Breeder's Cup races. A tough assignment
but I'm sure there will be many of you ready to accept
the challenge.
What prize could be worth such a difficult task? The
winner will be the first non-family member to receive one
of the limited, first-run SunWalker Ranch caps! Yes, you'll
be the envy of everyone you meet when you appear in
public wearing this attractive hat featuring a trio of ostriches
silhouetted against a rising sun with the ranch name
emblazoned across the top.
So sharpen your pencils and break out your forms. The
deadline for entries will be midnight before BC day. Good
luck to all who dare to enter!
Ed
VOP MAIL PAGE
15-OCT-1997 21:13:50.46
From: IN%"Sunwalker@warpnet.net" "Sunwalker Ostrich Ranch"
From: Sunwalker@warpnet.net
Subject: RE: Let's go 3 for 3 [2841] [3141]
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Lynn
What was the final outcome? Did you and Kelly
complete the triple? I'm interested in how things
worked out for you two.
Ed
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From: Chris & Lynn Cronin[SMTP:cnlcronin@voyager.net]
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 1997 10:38 PM
To: virtual-owners@vop.org
Subject: Let's go 3 for 3 [2841]
Ok, people, I'm asking for your good luck vibes/wishes once more...they
seem to have done really well for us the last 2 weeks, with blues on
both occasions. This time, my goals are a little less lofty: I want to
get around cross country and for me and the mare to finish connected to
one another! Yikes, jump number 15 is damn scary looking! Keep those
fingers crossed for us, and thanks in advance.
Lynn
VOP MAIL PAGE
15-OCT-1997 17:55:27.79
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Itsy Beyer [3140]
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Partners,
Beyer gave Itsy an 86 for winning her race....a couple of
points better than what I gave her (84)...oh well Beyer figs are better
than MIne (ha).... but I ain't gonna quibble over a couple of
points.........OTOH nat, Beyer gave her a 57 about 7 points too low
IMHO....the DRF did catch NAT being interfered with the 3rd place
finisher.........Unsold's offical Beyer is 69 I gave him a 71...pretty
close again
Allan
VOP MAIL PAGE
15-OCT-1997 17:44:07.54
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Itsy win picture [3139]
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Partners,
Yeah there ain't nothing better than a win picture of the
horse you own.......I went to the mailbox after work....my feet barely
touching the floor........Yes It was there.....I greedily tore open the
envolope and there it was......Itsy inall her glory....in mid
stride........plus her connections...at least some of them......It was a
wonderful feeling....if I could can it I'd make a mint
Allan
ps--cal don't forget my extra one the check for $17 is in the
mail.......
VOP MAIL PAGE
15-OCT-1997 17:27:30.31
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: Sam turf races [3123] [3138]
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Darrell/all,
If you wouldn't mind could you please continue your
research......If it is good research,
I'll share my first place prize of pick Itsy and streak prize........If
your research is excellent,
I won't ;-)....the more we know the better descion we can come up with
for The flash and any other horse who might consider coming down to Sam
Houston to race.......
Allan
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:30:25 -0700
From: Darrell Becker <"dbecker5@ix.netcom.com"@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Sam turf races [3123]
To: joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com
Cc: virtual-owners@vop.org
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Joe/All,
Had a chance to stop by the library today for a look at some of last
season's Sam Houston entries. The Austin library has the Houston
Chronicle on microfilm some I sampled some of last December and most of
February. I would have looked at the whole meet but my eyes were
spinning as the microfilm rolled by and I had to stop with those.
Basically Sam has about a turf race per day. Every few days they threw
in 2 turfers with one usually being a 5 furlong race. Remember that this
list is far from complete, it only includes Half of December and most of
February.
In December here is what Unsold could have run:
12-7 1 1/8 allowance purse$10,500
12-12 1 1/8nw2 other than purse$8900
12-1,12-8,12-13 1 1/16 open 10k claimers purse$5400
February
2-6 1 mile claimer(price not listed) purse$9000
2-8,2-9 open 10k claimers 1 mile purse$5500
2-21 1 1/16 allowance purse$10,700
2-22 1 mile allowance n3L Purse$9000
Again this is far from the entire meet. More research can be done if
the partners desire.
There were also 3 or 4 turf races that might work for Nat plus plenty
of filly/mare races on the dirt. purses in the $4-5k range.
Ya'll let me know if you need me to check more of the last meet.
Darrell B
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VOP MAIL PAGE
15-OCT-1997 17:09:07.60
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: re: Sam Houston [3128] [3137]
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Terry/all.
no turf at Steinbenner place......If we want
cheap......Its SH or TuP..........
Allan
ps.........I agree with terry....with liberal licensing laws in
place.....Texas is the ideal place....looked all over the net for info
on SH....no go.......Cary, any luck yet...not to put pressure on you at
all :-)
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 00:10:04 -0700
From: Terry Bjork
Subject: re: Sam Houston [3128]
To: virtual-owners@vop.org
Reply-to: tlbjork@ais.net
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Steve Moses wrote:
>
> I'm for sending Unsold wherever he can be effective. Right now the
> talk seems to be centered on Texas. According to the Blood-Horse
> magazine, the Sam Houston meet lasts only one month from 11/27 to > 12/29.
I think those are only the 1997 dates. 1998 picks up 1st thing in
January 1998.
FWIW - I've been pushing Hou for the simple fact that it is a
cheaper turf course than Florida of Louisiana, and because I've
seen Turf Paradise over the winter and don't think it is a proper
place for Unsold. If anyone else has other ideas let's hear 'em.
I don't mean to be moving this discussion one way or another.
Will Tampa be running this winter? That's another possibility if
so.
Terry
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VOP MAIL PAGE
15-OCT-1997 13:41:51.98
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: AP story [3136]
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Mark,
I received the story you did on AP.
Great job.
thanks
ap
VOP MAIL PAGE
15-OCT-1997 10:13:38.47
From: IN%"Mike_Sasso-CMS040@email.mot.com" "Mike Sasso-CMS040"
From: Mike_Sasso-CMS040@email.mot.com
Subject: RE: Lady's race [3113] [3129] [3134]
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>>Just a suggestion, but maybe we should try Lady without Blinkers. I was at
the last few races and it seems that she got beat at the last second, by a
horse she didn't see gaining on her. We first started using them because she
wouldn't pass other horses. Maybe it's going against us now. Any other
opinions?<<
Yeah. Get Silva back up. Get her loose on the lead. Control a moderate pace.
Then run like hell coming down the stretch.
Lady needs to get loose on the lead or pass the lead horse before making her
stretch drive. Because of her problems, she's not gonna pass many horses
coming down the stretch. She's most likely to be the horse tiring with 1/16
to go. That's okay if we're in front by a couple lengths. Unfortunately Mon
Baisar and Terror Times were a couple of legit speedballs we've come up
against in Lady's last 2 races. Sibille and Silva both rode perfect races
considering the circumstances.
-Mike Sasso-
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To: biggestal2@webtv.net@INTERNET; virtual-owners@vop.org@INTERNET
From: CRAZZYB@aol.com@INTERNET on Wed, Oct 15, 1997 5:24 AM
Subject: Re: Lady's race [3113] [3129]
Just a suggestion, but maybe we should try Lady without Blinkers. I was at
the last few races and it seems that she got beat at the last second, by a
horse she didn't see gaining on her. We first started using them because she
wouldn't pass other horses. Maybe it's going against us now. Any other
opinions?
Bob J
VOP MAIL PAGE
15-OCT-1997 10:13:25.15
From: IN%"Mike_Sasso-CMS040@email.mot.com" "Mike Sasso-CMS040"
From: Mike_Sasso-CMS040@email.mot.com
Subject: Lady's Silks [3133]
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Cal/Partners:
Hey, did anyone notice Silva's funky silks yesterday. Made it pretty easy to
spot our horse from across the track, huh?
-Mike Sasso-
VOP MAIL PAGE
15-OCT-1997 06:39:51.12
From: IN%"Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com" "Cal Jestice"
From: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com
Subject: RE: Fairgrounds [3120] [3130]
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Len (et al),
I don't know if VOP will be shipping anything
to the FG this year. It would be nice to have a horse
or two that's capable of competing down there'
Cal
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From: elvis@mcs.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 1997 7:16 PM
To: virtual-owners@vop.org
Subject: Fairgrounds [3120]
Liane couldn't make it either as she was
> in New Orleans, getting prepared for the FG meet.
When are we potentially shipping?
VOP MAIL PAGE
15-OCT-1997 05:13:50.63
From: IN%"CRAZZYB@aol.com"
From: CRAZZYB@aol.com
Subject: Re: Lady's race [3113] [3129]
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Just a suggestion, but maybe we should try Lady without Blinkers. I was at
the last few races and it seems that she got beat at the last second, by a
horse she didn't see gaining on her. We first started using them because she
wouldn't pass other horses. Maybe it's going against us now. Any other
opinions?
Bob J
VOP MAIL PAGE
15-OCT-1997 00:17:24.95
From: IN%"tlbjork@ais.net"
From: tlbjork@ais.net
Subject: re: Sam Houston [3128]
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Steve Moses wrote:
>
> I'm for sending Unsold wherever he can be effective. Right now the
> talk seems to be centered on Texas. According to the Blood-Horse
> magazine, the Sam Houston meet lasts only one month from 11/27 to > 12/29.
I think those are only the 1997 dates. 1998 picks up 1st thing in
January 1998.
FWIW - I've been pushing Hou for the simple fact that it is a
cheaper turf course than Florida of Louisiana, and because I've
seen Turf Paradise over the winter and don't think it is a proper
place for Unsold. If anyone else has other ideas let's hear 'em.
I don't mean to be moving this discussion one way or another.
Will Tampa be running this winter? That's another possibility if
so.
Terry
VOP MAIL PAGE
14-OCT-1997 23:33:12.23
From: IN%"StLMo@aol.com"
From: StLMo@aol.com
Subject: Sam Houston [3127]
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VOPsters,
I'm for sending Unsold wherever he can be effective. Right now the talk
seems to be centered on Texas. According to the Blood-Horse magazine, the
Sam Houston meet lasts only one month from 11/27 to 12/29. I thought I read
somewhere that Lone Star then does not reopen until some time in April. Does
anyone know if this info is correct? Do we plan on being idle for almost 4
months if it is?
Steve Moses
VOP MAIL PAGE
14-OCT-1997 23:21:46.49
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: Re: Where's hawthorne on my TV [3124] [3126]
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At 08:45 AM 10/14/97 -0700, you wrote:
>VOPers,
> I noticed in the paper today that Retama Park's simulcast schedule for
>today didn't list Hawthorne. Sooooooooooooo I called the simulcast line
>and again no mention of Haw. Sooooooooooooo I talked to a live person
>asking if Retama was going to carry Haw. She didn't know and said she
>saw no listing of it through the 25th. I say "Well you carried Sportsman
>and then Arlington sooooooooooooooo why not move with the circuit to
>Haw. She said I should call back tomorrow (Weds) and talk to Steve, the
>simulcasting director. Sooooooooooooooooooo, Who thinks that I will be
>calling Steve at Retama tomorrow?
>
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII do!
ap
Give me Hawthorne or give me a healthy Phonebet account for the VOP
>races that I may not be able to see.
>
> Darrell the most Disenchanted
>
>
VOP MAIL PAGE
14-OCT-1997 21:07:13.39
From: IN%"Burgooking@aol.com"
From: Burgooking@aol.com
Subject: Lady Lomond [3125]
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Partners:
Lady put in a very nice effort today. Carlos did a nice
job getting her into position from the 9 hole and hussled
her out second behind the one horse who blazed the first
quarter in 22/1. Positions stayed much the same until the top of
the lane when Carlos eased Lady out for the stretch run. Lady
tried awful hard but hung the last 1/16th. The last 1/4 went
in 14 flat and Lady had nothing left. The 3 horse closed late to
beat the one by a nose on the wire with Lady a length back in third.
It was another 2 lengths back to Thrilling Tango in fourth. Final
time was 1:13 flat.
Certainly better than either Cal or I expected. Once again Cal
and I each had 2/3 of the tri. Perhaps I should have talked to
Cal before the race so we could have put together our picks for the
$ 900.00 tri. Well 11% of 7,200.00 isn't terrible. After all the streak
lives!!!!
Steve Lewis
P.S. Cal commented that the cooler weather probably helped. I agree!
VOP MAIL PAGE
14-OCT-1997 20:49:36.24
From: IN%"\ddbecker5@ix.netcom.com\d@ix.netcom.com"
From: \ddbecker5@ix.netcom.com\d@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Where's hawthorne on my TV [3124]
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VOPers,
I noticed in the paper today that Retama Park's simulcast schedule for
today didn't list Hawthorne. Sooooooooooooo I called the simulcast line
and again no mention of Haw. Sooooooooooooo I talked to a live person
asking if Retama was going to carry Haw. She didn't know and said she
saw no listing of it through the 25th. I say "Well you carried Sportsman
and then Arlington sooooooooooooooo why not move with the circuit to
Haw. She said I should call back tomorrow (Weds) and talk to Steve, the
simulcasting director. Sooooooooooooooooooo, Who thinks that I will be
calling Steve at Retama tomorrow?
Give me Hawthorne or give me a healthy Phonebet account for the VOP
races that I may not be able to see.
Darrell the most Disenchanted
VOP MAIL PAGE
14-OCT-1997 20:16:58.79
From: IN%"ChicoMaki@aol.com"
From: ChicoMaki@aol.com
Subject: Race Recap [3122]
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Partners:
I've gotta start off by saying that IMO today Lady Lomond ran her best race
since her maiden victory.
I got to Hawthorne just in time to see Silva win the 7th race. I couldn't
stand too much of the creepy people and hazy cloud of cigarette smoke, so I
hung out below in the paddock area during the 8th race. I know I've said it
before, but what a difference between Arlington and SPT/HAW. What a shame.
Anyhow, the smell in the paddock was more refreshing than upstairs near the
betting windows.
The 8th race ended and the horses were beginning to be brought into the
paddock for the 9th race. I didn't see any VOPsters, Liane, Cal, Lady
Lomond...Nine horses were brought into the paddock and still no Lady. Then
finally, her groom walked her into the paddock with a big smile on his face
as he gasped for air. It must have been a long walk. Lady was already wearing
her blinkers. Still no sign of Liane. There was a guy I didn't recognize over
by her stall. Someone was shouting to LL's groom to walk her over to her
stall. It was Herschell. Hooray, a friendly face.
I walked over and chatted with Herschell a bit. He told me that Liane was in
New Orleans. He said the horses were still stabled at AP and the planned on
moving them after a $125,000 Impulsive Spender stakes race this weekend in
Detroit. I asked him who was saddling Lady Lomond. He said his buddy John
Something who was an assistant to somebody. Sorry, I didn't get the names but
just as Hershell and I were discussing that matter, Carlos Silva walked into
the paddock area wearing some neon pink and purple silks. WOW! Herschell and
I both almost went into shock. Herschell leaned over to me and said, "at
least we're racing today...unless she gets scratched for wearing the wrong
silks". Oh boy.
The saddling went pretty quick and LL and "Neon" Silva were on the track.
During the post parade I was just waiting for the announcer to say, "and #9
is Lady Lomond wearing the familiar pink and purple of the Virtual Owners
Partnership". Thankfully, that didn't happen. Carlos looked a little
unfamiliar with LL as they headed towards the gate. That was probably just in
my mind though.
She loaded well and got a very good break. The #8 horse jumped a bit in the
gate, but LL broke clear of her and Carlos moved her quickly out front of the
other horses and moved her towards the rail. Randy Meier aboard Terror Time
was gonna go to the front no matter what. Terror Time shot to the front and
ran the quarter in 22.1. Carlos settled LL into 2nd about 3 lengths back of
the leader. The rest of the field was stretched out with the closest horse to
LL being about 4 lengths back. Carlos was the only jock that stayed close to
Terror Time at the 1/2, which was run in 46 flat. If Carlos hadn't stalked
Terror Time, she would have been loose by at least 6 lengths and Meier would
have been home free. Even though she was a few lengths behind, LL kept the
leader honest.
As they turned for home, LL was in striking position. A female voice behind
me yelled "go Karla" (the #10 horse). Then I heard a male voice behind me
say, "go Lady". It was either Jeff Yelke or Bob Jungles who were now standing
behind me. At last, some VOPsters. Cool!
We cheered Lady on as she headed towards the wire. She was gaining slowly on
Terror Time, but seemed to be hanging a bit. Out of nowhere, with about
1/16th to go, Gall made a bold move coming off the rail with Target of Love
and passed Lady Lomond and nosed Terror Time at the wire. Helluva ride by
Gall. Lady finished exactly 1 length behind the photo finishers with the rest
of the field spread out pretty far behind. The final time was 1:13 flat. The
track was running fast today. But a great effort by Lady Lomond and Carlos
Silva. She got tired and hung a bit, but she also handily beat seven other
horses. If she ever gets in a race with not much speed and gets loose on the
lead, nobody's gonna catch our girl.
I saw Hershell immediately after the race and he seemed very happy with
Lady's race. I spoke with Carlos Silva for a couple minutes afterwards.
Basically, the conversation was:
ME: Nice race Carlos, how did she do out there.
CARLOS: I thought I had it won...yata yata yata...I thought I had it
won...yata yata yata...I thought I had it won!
Carlos said she was racing nicely and coming out of the turn he felt he could
go by Terror Time and win the race. But he said that with about 1/16 of a
mile to go, LL tired and couldn't pass the leader. I asked how she was
breathing. He said he thought that she was breathing pretty hard but really
couldn't tell because it was very windy and all he could hear was the wind. I
thanked him for and excellent ride and he said "you're welcome, I thought I
had it won!"
Watching the replay inside afterwards, it looked like Lady was indeed really
running well. The head-on shot showed her racing very straight and she looked
to be running faster than I've ever seen her run. Although she never passed
the lead horse, she didn't seem to tire as badly as she had in her past few
races. It was about 45 degrees at race time, so that probably helped.
I tried to wear as much lucky attire as possible today. On the way home, I
realized why she came so close but didn't win the race. My mom was wearing a
Chicago Bears sweatshirt! New rule: along with no purple VOP shirts, no
Chicago Bears shirts!
-Mike Sasso-
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14-OCT-1997 19:41:27.22
From: IN%"jeffy@megsinet.net" "Jeff Yelke"
From: jeffy@megsinet.net
Subject: Re: Lady's Race [3116] [3121]
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All,
Pretty much as Cal said. I didn't get there till the 6th, and didn't
see anyone till just before the 9th when I bumped into Bob J.
Lady just chased the speed around, which hurt her chance.
Too bad there wasn't someone else out with the 1.
I didn't get the times. I know the 1/4 was 22:1, and I think
the 1/2 in 46:1.
Mike Sasso talked to Carlos after so he can post what he all said,
but briefly he mentioned he thought he could make it, but Lady
just had nothing left before the finish. Not bad for 17-1.
Don't know who saddled Lady. I saw Herschel come out of the tunnel
looking for Lady, who didn't get to the paddock
till 13 minutes before post. Talked to Karen Z. after so didn't watch
the replay, but all in all seemed like a good effort. With more
of a battle for the front, things might have worked out.
Jeff
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> From: Cal Jestice
> To: virtual-owners@vop.org
> Subject: Lady's Race [3116]
> Date: Tuesday, October 14, 1997 6:19 PM
>
> Y'all,
>
> Due to work constraints, I couldn't make it to Hawthorne
> today to watch the race. Liane couldn't make it either as she was
> in New Orleans, getting prepared for the FG meet. I don't know
> who saddled Lady, but hopefully _somebody_ made it to the track
> to give a hands on report.
>
> I made it to the Arlington Intertrack just after the 8th race
> finished. The word was that Hawthorne was favoring speed and
> the inside. That didn't sound good for Lady breaking from the nine
> hole. Lady looked good in the paddock and I saw that Liane had
> fronts put on Lady, most likely to help support her sore ankle and
> because all the rain.
>
> I didn't get to see very much of Lady on the track, but she
> looked OK in the post parade and galloped out nicely. She went
> into the gate with no problems, but just before the start, the eight
> horse fell against the side of her stall. She righted herself and the
> race was off. The one horse shot for the lead and Carlos put Lady
> into a clear second after an 1/8th of a mile. The fractions were quick
> with the quarter going in 22:1. Lady held her ground and came up
> to challenge in the stretch. She just didn't have enough closing kick
> and was third, beaten a length. A great ride by Carlos and a big
> effort by Lady. I think the cooler weather helped her a bit. I couldn't
> see how she came back after the race, but she seemed to finish well.
>
> Cal
>
VOP MAIL PAGE
14-OCT-1997 19:21:05.86
From: IN%"elvis@mcs.com"
From: elvis@mcs.com
Subject: Fairgrounds [3120]
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Liane couldn't make it either as she was
> in New Orleans, getting prepared for the FG meet.
When are we potentially shipping?
VOP MAIL PAGE
14-OCT-1997 19:18:19.29
From: IN%"elvis@mcs.com"
From: elvis@mcs.com
Subject: Re: oh offical finish [3111] [3119]
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Allan Weston wrote:
>
> 3-1-9....I tossed the top two...can't hitem all
>
> Allan
By the way, the #3 was also the co-favorite with elvisware.
VOP MAIL PAGE
14-OCT-1997 19:17:01.76
From: IN%"elvis@mcs.com"
From: elvis@mcs.com
Subject: Re: LADY third [3110] [3118]
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Allan Weston wrote:
>
> Partners,
> well elvis ware hit this one squareon the nose......lady
> finished third at 17-1
>
> Allan
And if you made the recommended accross bet, you eeked out a profit.
LL looked like she ran a pretty good race. She was in second most of
the race, and made some charges on Terror Time, the leader for all but
the final nose of the race. You figured someone was going to come out
of nowhere, and in in case it was the winner, Target of Love, in what
was the closest photo finish without being declared a draw that we've
ever seen. LL was third, but a sold third in a decent effort.
VOP MAIL PAGE
14-OCT-1997 19:01:09.71
From: IN%"debbderl@uic.edu"
From: debbderl@uic.edu
Subject: Lady's Third [3117]
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Good going, Lady L; the purse streak continues!
And Allan is the big winner in the Streak Contest; frosting on the cake
after Itsy's win. Hey Al, would you like to trade 3.5MB of result files for
a wonderful winter weekend of ice fishing in Minnesota?
Debby D
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14-OCT-1997 18:29:52.13
From: IN%"Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com" "Cal Jestice"
From: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com
Subject: Lady's Race [3116]
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Y'all,
Due to work constraints, I couldn't make it to Hawthorne
today to watch the race. Liane couldn't make it either as she was
in New Orleans, getting prepared for the FG meet. I don't know
who saddled Lady, but hopefully _somebody_ made it to the track
to give a hands on report.
I made it to the Arlington Intertrack just after the 8th race
finished. The word was that Hawthorne was favoring speed and
the inside. That didn't sound good for Lady breaking from the nine
hole. Lady looked good in the paddock and I saw that Liane had
fronts put on Lady, most likely to help support her sore ankle and
because all the rain.
I didn't get to see very much of Lady on the track, but she
looked OK in the post parade and galloped out nicely. She went
into the gate with no problems, but just before the start, the eight
horse fell against the side of her stall. She righted herself and the
race was off. The one horse shot for the lead and Carlos put Lady
into a clear second after an 1/8th of a mile. The fractions were quick
with the quarter going in 22:1. Lady held her ground and came up
to challenge in the stretch. She just didn't have enough closing kick
and was third, beaten a length. A great ride by Carlos and a big
effort by Lady. I think the cooler weather helped her a bit. I couldn't
see how she came back after the race, but she seemed to finish well.
Cal
VOP MAIL PAGE
14-OCT-1997 17:55:32.81
From: IN%"ChgoRanger@aol.com"
From: ChgoRanger@aol.com
Subject: Sarner [3115]
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In a message dated 97-10-14 14:22:19 EDT, bounce@slewpy.drf.com writes:
<< Sarner is entered to run
in the 4th race at Hawthorne Racecourse on October 17, 1997. For more
information
about the race, be sure to check out Daily Racing Form's web site
at http://www.drf.com/ or view the entries for this race at
http://www.drf.com/entries/17/HAW.html.
You also wrote the following notes about this horse:
Other Information About this Race
---------------------------------
Race Type:
Purse: $17,000
Claiming Price for Sarner (if applicable): 32,500
Surface: Turf
Distance: 1 1/16 Miles
Jockey: Silva C H
Post Position: 2
# of horses in race: 8
-------------------------------- >>
looks like Sarner is movin' on up........
Sean
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Forwarded message:
From: bounce@slewpy.drf.com (Daily Racing For)
Reply-to: milesm@slewpy.drf.com
Date: 97-10-14 14:22:19 EDT
This is a notice from the Daily Racing Form's online StableMail which
informs you when certain horses will be running in the near future. You
are receiving this message because Sarner is entered to run
in the 4th race at Hawthorne Racecourse on October 17, 1997. For more
information
about the race, be sure to check out Daily Racing Form's web site
at http://www.drf.com/ or view the entries for this race at
http://www.drf.com/entries/17/HAW.html.
You also wrote the following notes about this horse:
Other Information About this Race
---------------------------------
Race Type:
Purse: $17,000
Claiming Price for Sarner (if applicable): 32,500
Surface: Turf
Distance: 1 1/16 Miles
Jockey: Silva C H
Post Position: 2
# of horses in race: 8
--------------------------------
If you'd like to remove Sarner from your list of horses to watch,
go to the StableMail removal form at
http://www.drf.com/stablemail/remove.html.
VOP MAIL PAGE
14-OCT-1997 17:33:49.72
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: VOPalooza pix [3102] [3114]
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Terry,
Thanks for the memories of the GREAT time I had....those pics
and the one's Drew and Lynn took...will be memories that will last a
lifetime....looking forward to VOPfest 98 at Hawthorne.
Allan
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From: Terry Bjork
Subject: VOPalooza pix [3102]
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New VOPalooza pictures online at www.vop.org/www/vopalooz.htm
This page still needs some work but at least you can see the pictures.
Terry
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14-OCT-1997 17:04:16.88
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Lady's race [3113]
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Partners,
Lady stalked the speed.loomed boldly and weakened at the
very end beaten 1 1/4 lengths for ALL the $$$$$$.
Allan
VOP MAIL PAGE
14-OCT-1997 16:51:39.21
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: Dale vs. Allan Today [3109] [3112]
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Tom,
Would you please send my prize at your earliest
convinence......Translation in biggestal talk..........Gimme my
prizes!!! as runner-up Dale
and second runner-up Terry B. the ONLY partners withconfidence in
ITSY......and I who has unbridled optimism about the rest of the
stable...........
Allan (you can't take it with you)
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From: Tom Channic
Subject: Dale vs. Allan Today [3109]
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In addition to the 117 pounds Lady carries today go all the hope of
biggestal2 to win the Guess the Streaks Contest today. 3.5 megabytes
of ascii AP charts are loaded and ready to foul up ... er, I mean, *fill* up
the lucky winner's mailbox. Unfortunately I ran out of whiskey sour mix
shortly after the Bears missed the two-point conversion that would have
beat the Packers on Sunday. Fortunately, all you need for a good whiskey
sour is the juice of one lemon, some ice, and, of course, some good
whiskey. Unfortunately, on Sunday I also ran out of lemons, but I digress...
In our last episode, Unsold's 4th extended the purse streak to 12.
Dale's guess was 10, Allan's 15. Allan wins if Lady makes the streak 13,
otherwise Dale earns the bittersweet (& sour) victory. Good luck to both
contestants and especially to Lady and Carlos "Hi-Ho" Silva! (Oops --
another Arlington flashback. They started Friday and won't stop --
especially the time when I won my first $20 win bet -- on Alydar @ 1-20.
Regretfully I have not been able to sustain that high level of
handicapping profitability since. ;>)
Texas anyone? (This would *definitely* require a nickname change.)
Tom C.
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VOP MAIL PAGE
14-OCT-1997 16:39:01.49
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: oh offical finish [3111]
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3-1-9....I tossed the top two...can't hitem all
Allan
VOP MAIL PAGE
14-OCT-1997 16:36:40.64
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: LADY third [3110]
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Partners,
well elvis ware hit this one squareon the nose......lady
finished third at 17-1
Allan
VOP MAIL PAGE
14-OCT-1997 08:58:06.03
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com
Subject: Lady's Race [3108]
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Y'all,
I should probably leave the selections to Allan
considering his record lately, but here goes:
#1 Terror Time - 3yo coming off a sharp maiden win for state
bred 7K claimers. Coming back in eight days. Had plenty of
speed last time out and jockey Meier knows how to use it.
Could be on an easy lead if Brighter Than Air doesn't fire.
#2 Thrilling Tango - Nice move in last race to get 4th, but
1 for 20 record doesn't inspire. Only win came in the slop,
but the track should be dry by the 9th race today.
#3 Target of Love - Was scratched at the gate in her last
race. Showed good speed winning a MdSpWt at FP then was
overmatched in a statebred stake at Hawthorne. Big unknown.
#4 Miss Ritchie Court - Takes a drop from allowance and moves
back to 6f. Should be very competitive with this bunch.
#5 Sister Mary Carol - One for twenty-six lifetime and zero for
ten at the track. Not today.
#6 Brighter Than Air - Best bet to push or clear Terror Time.
Hopefully hooks up with the one horse and dies off.
#7 Jasana - Nice maiden win at FP, but Gall gets off to ride
Target of Love. However, Guidry gets on and she should come
flying late.
#8 Yukon Blond - Back in eight days after a dull effort on the
turf. Valovich gets off to ride Sister Mary Carol. Still has
a shot to be close.
#9 Lady Lomond - Comes back to a better distance, but this race
may be a touch too soon for this gal. Pace sets up well for her
and she'll make a showing somewhere in the lane.
#10 Karla Can Due - Speed from the outside will have a hard time
trying to keep up with the #1 & #6. Likely to fade big time in
the stretch.
#11 Incadar - Comes back to the track where she had her career
best race. Looks to get a rough trip from the outside.
Looks to be a couple of runners in here, but Lady should
be able to get another check. I see it coming back: 4-7-6-9
Cal
VOP MAIL PAGE
14-OCT-1997 08:05:40.07
From: IN%"ksimpson@umich.edu" "Karen Simpson"
From: ksimpson@umich.edu
Subject: Paparouna Zone [3106]
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Hello everyone /Bob,
News of whenPaparaouna's next race will be, as well as a vist to the
Paparouna Zone has really made my morning.
Bob can't wait to see what comes next.
Karen Simpson
VOP MAIL PAGE
14-OCT-1997 06:52:56.53
From: IN%"drew@ctnet.com" "Drew"
From: drew@ctnet.com
Subject: Re: Fwd: Texas, no alias problem [3091] [3095] [3105]
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> A few VOP thanks........first to Drew and to
>terry....nice job on the Web site
...Credit where credit is due department...
Although I'd like to gladly and graciously accept your
thanks, I can not do so in good conscience. Terry B is
the main man for the VOP web site. I didn't have any-
thing to do with the new changes.
====================================================
Am I ignorant or merely apathetic?
I don't know and I don't care.
----------------------------------------------------
Drew Ivan drew@ctnet.com
====================================================
VOP MAIL PAGE
14-OCT-1997 06:49:00.55
From: IN%"LCZYZNIE@allstate.com" "Len Czyzniejewski"
From: LCZYZNIE@allstate.com
Subject: elvisware has LL third [3104]
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The numbers:
Fitness - Target of Love (10), Yukon Blond (8), LL (7)
Ability - Yukon Blond (10), Target of Love (9), LL (4)
Class - Yukon Blond (10), LL (2)
Speed - Jasana (10), LL (9), Terror Time (9)
Pace - Brighter than Air and Terror Time (10), LL (8)
Overall - Yukon Blond and Target of Love both 18%, 9/2
- Lady Lomond 13%, 7-1
A quick look at the Tribune has the head guy picking her 4th at 8-1, with
a comment about being a threat here. If the price of at least 7-1 holds up,
definately worth an accross bet.
VOP MAIL PAGE
14-OCT-1997 05:44:15.62
From: IN%"chris.jenner@apropos.com"
From: chris.jenner@apropos.com
Subject: Re: Lone Star Park turf races [3087] [3103]
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Joe, thanks for all the research. Texas looks like a possibility. So what
would be the strategy for trainers? Can anyone suggest / recommend some
Texas-based trainers to look at? How far apart are Hou, Lone Star, and FG?
At 08:34 AM 10/13/97 -0500, Pacheco, Joe wrote:
>Y'all,
>I had a chance to review the Lone Star conditions books for the spring
>meet. The lowest level turf claiming races were written at $18,000.
>The vast majority of these were conditioned claimers (Non winners of one
>or two). The pursue was $16,000 for these level races and there were
>alot of races written for fillies and mares. They also wrote a number
>if Starter Allowances, $12,000 purse. The distances on the turf were
>from 7 1/2 furlongs to 1 1/8 miles, with the majority being at 1 mile.
>Lone Star had a large number of conditioned Allowance races, ranging
>from $22,000 to $29,000. Lone Star wrote at least two turf races per
>day, with upto four on certain days. I don't have the pars on these
>races, but I believe they will be equivalent to Arlington's. Lone Star
>will be writing turf races on the first day of the meet this spring
>(Early April start).
>Joe P
>
VOP MAIL PAGE
13-OCT-1997 23:50:04.81
From: IN%"tlbjork@ais.net" "Terry Bjork"
From: tlbjork@ais.net
Subject: VOPalooza pix [3102]
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New VOPalooza pictures online at www.vop.org/www/vopalooz.htm
This page still needs some work but at least you can see the pictures.
Terry
VOP MAIL PAGE
13-OCT-1997 22:22:06.95
From: IN%"tlbjork@ais.net"
From: tlbjork@ais.net
Subject: Party time! [3101]
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I was visitor #10001 to the VOP page tonight. We finally made it
into 5 digits!
Terry
VOP MAIL PAGE
13-OCT-1997 22:10:36.86
From: IN%"tlbjork@ais.net"
From: tlbjork@ais.net
Subject: LL's race [3100]
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Well best of luck to all who are there, and all the rest of us
who can't be. I really and truly cannot make it to this one. :-(
This is what I've been waiting for. Boo hoo.
Let's hope there's some good luck waiting on the 'net when I get
home!
Terry
VOP MAIL PAGE
13-OCT-1997 21:17:47.49
From: IN%"BobProc@aol.com"
From: BobProc@aol.com
Subject: Another Paparouna Page [3099]
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All,
You may want to check out: http://www.skypoint.com/~bloby/papa
My daughter's husband likes to build Web pages. Please note the "under
construction" icon, and bear with us as we build. Terry B., sure hope you
have no copyrights on those pix ;-).
Bob P.
VOP MAIL PAGE
13-OCT-1997 19:49:19.54
From: IN%"debbderl@uic.edu"
From: debbderl@uic.edu
Subject: Cool Weather for Lady L [3098]
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Predicted hight for tomorrow is around 50 degrees. Hope this keeps LL's
breathing problem at bay.
Good Luck to Lady!
Debby D
VOP MAIL PAGE
13-OCT-1997 18:54:27.52
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Lady's race (part 2) [3097]
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Partners,
sorry
10. Karla can due---the cheap speed on the outside....no....toss
11. Incadar----sorry about this John and Bosk.....but this one gonna
have to beat me....toss
9. Lady Lomond--Believe it or not the leading money earner in this crew
for 97....doesn't say alot for these horses...MUCH improved last
race..weakened a bit in the last furlong should put her in good stead
for this race..........
Well as I have said before not a bunch of world beaters in this
race.......I'll call it 4-9-8-6-2
Allan
VOP MAIL PAGE
13-OCT-1997 18:38:47.11
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Lady's race [3096]
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Partners,
nice spot for Lady tomorrow here are the Weston KOD picks
for the race.....
1. Terror time---perfect example of loose lead horse......she fold up
like an accordian tomorrow....toss
2. Thrilling tango- major clunk horse hasn't hit the board since beating
Lady in her comebacker back in Feb...minor share
3. Target of Love--late scratch last out and slow show wok...I'll be
tossing
4. Miss ritchie court---better spotted tomorrow after mission impossible
spot last out
5. sister Mary Carol---pray for this one to stay out of thefield
way.....not terrible but not fast enough....tossarooney
6. Brigherthan air----would not suprise me in the least if I see this
horse on the lead....ala 8/8 race or 7/16...tough call
7. Jasana--- what sob story did this trainer tell Guidrys agent to have
him put Guidry up on this one.....38 day layoff and one slow work..not
with Paulsen's money
8. Yukon Blood--An Interesting saga if the PP's are correct claimed
12/30 for 25k...shipped to SA...freshened a bit...and ran WAYYYY up the
trck and was reclaimed....worst reclaim I have ever seen found out that
she is not a turfer last outsettle to the bottom of the barrell...on
her best she is obviously there
VOP MAIL PAGE
13-OCT-1997 18:19:39.76
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: Texas, no alias problem [3091] [3095]
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Partners,
A few VOP thanks........first to Drew and to
terry....nice job on the Web site
second to Cal and to Joe P. Real good research fellas.
And lastly to Liane, for getting itsy sharp enough to
EASILY take those horses last time out. That was a good piece of
training....
Allan
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:19:12 -0500
From: "Pacheco, Joe"
Subject: Texas, no alias problem [3091]
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Y'all,
I just got off the phone with the Texas Racing Commission and I was
informed that, in Texas, individuals can run horses under multiple
aliases (sp). I requested several partnership applications and the
rules and regs for racing in Texas (mine are dated). They do have a
licensing requirement for partners owning more than 5% of a horse. I'll
forward the info to Cal when I receive it.
Joe (Tex) Pacheco
P.S. There is no truth to the rumor that Crazy Eddie went flying with
John Denver.
--Boundary_[ID_MFY4e2zIz+zbJj0rIj4Irg]--
VOP MAIL PAGE
13-OCT-1997 17:49:49.28
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: The Scoop: 10/13/97 [3088] [3094]
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Cal/all,
If we are going to make a good descion regarding Unsold after
his next race (and I assume his last on Chicago). these are the question
I need anwered so I can make the correct call for my vote on his future
as a VOP horse.
1. How long a rest is he going to require?
2. If we do send him to SH after his rest who is going to be our
trainer?
3. How bad are his ankles?
My resoning behind the questions I need answer are the following.......
1.If he needs 6 weeks or so at the farm I can understand that......he
has been raced pretty hard over the last two months so he does need some
rest.
2.I want Liane to have some input as to what trainer we use......Only
because I trust her judgement when I come to horse training she's seen
enough of the trainers to know which one takes care of his or her horses
and which one don't
3. If his ankles are bad enough to effect his form.....and he has
slightly regressed in form
off his last two....He ran decent three back......
he does have problems swithching leads as I pointed out before...and
Liane concurred at the time (thanks terry)...I know that his ankles are
a chronic condition....but just how bad are they again according to
Liane?
If someone could find out the answers to these questions I am sure I can
vote my share with confidence fully informed with no regrets
Allan
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:55:32 -0500
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com (Cal Jestice)
Subject: The Scoop: 10/13/97 [3088]
To: virtual-owners@vop.org
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Comments: ( Received on motgate.mot.com from client mothost.mot.com,
sender jestice@pcs.mot.com )
Y'all,
I'm still waiting for cash call checks from about
fifteen partners. Please get them to me ASAP.
As everyone knows by now, Lady Lomond is in for
Tuesday's 9th race. Liane was borderline on Saturday
morning on whether or not to enter Lady. The only other
N2L's in Hawthorne's next book were 6.5 furlongs and Lady
can't get that last 16th. However, Tuesday's race is
probably a touch soon. On the bright side, the weather
in Chicago calls for cool temperatures and rain all day
today, so the track should be how Lady likes it.
Paparouna's shin has calmed down and Liane will
breeze her this week when the track dries out and then
find a race. There are two MdSpWts coming up at Hawthorne
on the 22nd & 29th. If the track dries out soon and
Paparouna bounces back fast from the work, Liane will
go for the 22nd, otherwise, it's the 29th.
KLH is doing OK. He's gotten a little filling in
his knee. Liane isn't too concerned about it, but she's
going to have the vet check him over before breezing him.
If all goes well, he should work in a week or so. If that
changes, I'll let everyone know.
Nat has come off her race in good shape. She was
a touch ouchy on her shin the day after her last race, but
things have calmed down and is training with no problems.
There's not another N2L on the turf in the latest book, but
they'll probably write an extra. Liane will play it by ear
and we'll just need to watch for StableMail on Nat.
Itbaya is feeling very good after her last race.
She knows she's done well and is more outgoing than usual.
There's plenty of 14K and 18K turf races in the book for
Itsy. Liane's just going to keep an eye on the weather
and how Itsy is feeling and enter her near the end of the
month. Again, we'll probably find out via StableMail.
Unsold came up a bit sore in his ankles after his
last race. This was to be expected. Liane watched the
race a couple more times and thought Unsold was a little
clumsy changing leads. She talked to Garret and he agreed.
It's the ankles that are causing it and there isn't much
more we can do about it. Liane hopes he should be ready
to come back around the end of the month. There's another
N2L on 11/3.
Cal
--Boundary_[ID_JK0OnXvItw+m2agLILuKhg]--
VOP MAIL PAGE
13-OCT-1997 15:45:21.41
From: IN%"tlbjor@searle.monsanto.com"
From: tlbjor@searle.monsanto.com
Subject: leads [3092]
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Sean asked:
>geez...is this the first she's noticed that he had trouble changing
>leads...I've said this since he came back from FG this past spring.....
No. I asked her about it a long time ago when Allan asked about it, and
she said he's always been clumsy. I think I posted that here.
What it has to do at this point with sore ankles I don't know. Maybe this
case was worse than usual.
Terry
VOP MAIL PAGE
13-OCT-1997 15:23:16.77
From: IN%"joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com" "Pacheco, Joe"
From: joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com
Subject: Texas, no alias problem [3091]
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Y'all,
I just got off the phone with the Texas Racing Commission and I was
informed that, in Texas, individuals can run horses under multiple
aliases (sp). I requested several partnership applications and the
rules and regs for racing in Texas (mine are dated). They do have a
licensing requirement for partners owning more than 5% of a horse. I'll
forward the info to Cal when I receive it.
Joe (Tex) Pacheco
P.S. There is no truth to the rumor that Crazy Eddie went flying with
John Denver.
VOP MAIL PAGE
13-OCT-1997 14:15:32.85
From: IN%"ChgoRanger@aol.com"
From: ChgoRanger@aol.com
Subject: Re: The Scoop: 10/13/97 [3088] [3090]
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In a message dated 97-10-13 10:56:34 EDT, Cal wrote:
<< KLH is doing OK. He's gotten a little filling in
his knee. >>
is this just edema, like water on the knee??....maybe Lynn could elaborate a
bit....thanks...
<< Liane watched the
race a couple more times and thought Unsold was a little
clumsy changing leads. She talked to Garret and he agreed.
It's the ankles that are causing it and there isn't much
more we can do about it. >>
geez...is this the first she's noticed that he had trouble changing
leads...I've said this since he came back from FG this past spring......
Sean
VOP MAIL PAGE
13-OCT-1997 10:33:49.38
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com
Subject: Itbaya Photos [3089]
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Y'all,
I couldn't get to the post office on Saturday,
so the Itbaya win photos will go out today. I messed
up at AP and didn't order enough pictures, so Greg
Gulliver and myself will be waiting for another set
to be printed. If anyone wants an extra, please let
me know and I'll have extras made for your. They're
$17 each which includes shipping. Please let me know
by Wednesdays if you want another copy.
Cal
VOP MAIL PAGE
13-OCT-1997 09:58:54.10
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com
Subject: The Scoop: 10/13/97 [3088]
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Y'all,
I'm still waiting for cash call checks from about
fifteen partners. Please get them to me ASAP.
As everyone knows by now, Lady Lomond is in for
Tuesday's 9th race. Liane was borderline on Saturday
morning on whether or not to enter Lady. The only other
N2L's in Hawthorne's next book were 6.5 furlongs and Lady
can't get that last 16th. However, Tuesday's race is
probably a touch soon. On the bright side, the weather
in Chicago calls for cool temperatures and rain all day
today, so the track should be how Lady likes it.
Paparouna's shin has calmed down and Liane will
breeze her this week when the track dries out and then
find a race. There are two MdSpWts coming up at Hawthorne
on the 22nd & 29th. If the track dries out soon and
Paparouna bounces back fast from the work, Liane will
go for the 22nd, otherwise, it's the 29th.
KLH is doing OK. He's gotten a little filling in
his knee. Liane isn't too concerned about it, but she's
going to have the vet check him over before breezing him.
If all goes well, he should work in a week or so. If that
changes, I'll let everyone know.
Nat has come off her race in good shape. She was
a touch ouchy on her shin the day after her last race, but
things have calmed down and is training with no problems.
There's not another N2L on the turf in the latest book, but
they'll probably write an extra. Liane will play it by ear
and we'll just need to watch for StableMail on Nat.
Itbaya is feeling very good after her last race.
She knows she's done well and is more outgoing than usual.
There's plenty of 14K and 18K turf races in the book for
Itsy. Liane's just going to keep an eye on the weather
and how Itsy is feeling and enter her near the end of the
month. Again, we'll probably find out via StableMail.
Unsold came up a bit sore in his ankles after his
last race. This was to be expected. Liane watched the
race a couple more times and thought Unsold was a little
clumsy changing leads. She talked to Garret and he agreed.
It's the ankles that are causing it and there isn't much
more we can do about it. Liane hopes he should be ready
to come back around the end of the month. There's another
N2L on 11/3.
Cal
VOP MAIL PAGE
13-OCT-1997 08:38:49.06
From: IN%"joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com" "Pacheco, Joe"
From: joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com
Subject: Lone Star Park turf races [3087]
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Y'all,
I had a chance to review the Lone Star conditions books for the spring
meet. The lowest level turf claiming races were written at $18,000.
The vast majority of these were conditioned claimers (Non winners of one
or two). The pursue was $16,000 for these level races and there were
alot of races written for fillies and mares. They also wrote a number
if Starter Allowances, $12,000 purse. The distances on the turf were
from 7 1/2 furlongs to 1 1/8 miles, with the majority being at 1 mile.
Lone Star had a large number of conditioned Allowance races, ranging
from $22,000 to $29,000. Lone Star wrote at least two turf races per
day, with upto four on certain days. I don't have the pars on these
races, but I believe they will be equivalent to Arlington's. Lone Star
will be writing turf races on the first day of the meet this spring
(Early April start).
Joe P
VOP MAIL PAGE
12-OCT-1997 21:34:01.45
From: IN%"elvis@mcs.com"
From: elvis@mcs.com
Subject: LL Lineup, courtesy of DRF [3086]
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TH ( 4:20).
Distance: 6 Furlongs
Surface: Dirt
Sex: Fillies and Mares
Age: 3 year olds and up
(Illinois registered, conceived, and/or foaled) 7,500-7,500
PURSE $7,200
(11) to go.
Post #
Horse
Jockey
Weight
Claim
Price
Equip.
Med.
1
Terror Time
Meier R
118
7,500
2
Thrilling Tango
Meza N
117
7,500
3
Target of Love
Gall D
113
7,500
4
Miss Ritchie Court
Diaz J L
115
7,500
5
Sister Mary Carol
Valovich C J
114
7,500
6
Brighter Than Air
Laviolette B S
113
7,500
7
Jasana
Guidry M
115
7,500
8
Yukon Blond
Schaefer G A
113
7,500
9
Lady Lomond
Silva C H
117
7,500
10
Karla Can Due
Macias G
114
7,500
11
Incadar
Sibille R
113
7,500
VOP MAIL PAGE
12-OCT-1997 18:26:52.63
From: IN%"Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com" "Cal Jestice"
From: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com
Subject: RE: Hawthorne [3075] [3085]
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Y'all,
Everything is set at Haw.
Cal
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From: 73774.323@compuserve.com
Sent: Friday, October 10, 1997 9:43 PM
To: VOP
Subject: Hawthorne [3075]
Cal,
Forgot to ask you today, is Lianne's owners list at Hawthorne? I was
thinking of getting my card "stickered" this coming Sunday.
Debby D
VOP MAIL PAGE
12-OCT-1997 09:23:36.25
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: lady-incadar rematch [3084]
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Partners,
Okay it ain't alyadar-affirmed but still makes for a fun
rivalry......john and jason and the rest of Banner headline stables have
entered their pride and joy--Incadar vs. The VOP's Lady lomond.
hopefully it will come out better than the last time when they ran last
and next-to-last with lady getting the nod.......good luck to both but
of course I am prejuided on the side of VOP.
Allan
VOP MAIL PAGE
12-OCT-1997 03:06:28.16
From:
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VOP MAIL PAGE
11-OCT-1997 15:36:20.23
From: IN%"milesm@slewpy.drf.com"
From: milesm@slewpy.drf.com
Subject: StableMail -- Lady Lomond [3082]
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This is a notice from the Daily Racing Form's online StableMail which
informs you when certain horses will be running in the near future. You
are receiving this message because Lady Lomond is entered to run
in the 9th race at Hawthorne Racecourse on October 14, 1997. For more information
about the race, be sure to check out Daily Racing Form's web site
at http://www.drf.com/ or view the entries for this race at
http://www.drf.com/entries/14/HAW.html.
You also wrote the following notes about this horse:
Other Information About this Race
---------------------------------
Race Type:
Purse: $7,200
Claiming Price for Lady Lomond (if applicable): 7,500
Surface: Dirt
Distance: 6 Furlongs
Jockey: Silva C H
Post Position: 9
# of horses in race: 11
--------------------------------
If you'd like to remove Lady Lomond from your list of horses to watch,
go to the StableMail removal form at http://www.drf.com/stablemail/remove.html.
VOP MAIL PAGE
11-OCT-1997 11:24:37.42
From: IN%"tlbjork@ais.net" "Terry Bjork"
From: tlbjork@ais.net
Subject: Itbaya win photo [3081]
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Now online behind the _WINS!_ thumbnail in the "Latest Racing News"
section of the front page.
Terry
VOP MAIL PAGE
11-OCT-1997 11:04:36.56
From: IN%"tlbjork@ais.net"
From: tlbjork@ais.net
Subject: Hou [3080]
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Cary -
What would be real helpful knowledge about Sam Houston would be to
find out just how many turf races were run last winter, how often,
and what levels. I wonder if there was somewhere at the racetrack
you could find that out?
Terry
VOP MAIL PAGE
11-OCT-1997 06:22:21.38
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Turf figs [3076]
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Partners,
Got around to doing my turf figs for the VOP
horses.........Nat 64 Beyer........Unsold 71 Beyer........and for Itsy a
Best in two years 84.....with a final fraction 24.1......she was cookin'
down the stretch in her AP finale.
Allan
VOP MAIL PAGE
10-OCT-1997 21:49:31.24
From: IN%"73774.323@compuserve.com"
From: 73774.323@compuserve.com
Subject: Hawthorne [3075]
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Cal,
Forgot to ask you today, is Lianne's owners list at Hawthorne? I was
thinking of getting my card "stickered" this coming Sunday.
Debby D
VOP MAIL PAGE
10-OCT-1997 18:13:29.46
From: IN%"arbourc@flash.net" "Cary Arbour"
From: arbourc@flash.net
Subject: Re: Sam Houston [3072] [3074]
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Partners,
I haven't been one to keep up with the stats at Sam Houston like some of
you do at your local tracks, but I live about 15 minutes from there and
frequent it quite often. If there is any information, or assistance needed
from a partner close to the track let me know.
Cary Arbour
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> From: Allan Weston
> To: virtual-owners@vop.org
> Subject: Sam Houston [3072]
> Date: Friday, October 10, 1997 5:16 PM
>
> Partners,
> While I still feel Unsold can improve his performance over
> his AP races.....into the 85-90 Beyer fig range....and given Keith
> Sirota lukewarm response to the pud PP's Perhaps Terry's suggestion of
> Sam Houston and its easier comp is the answer the Unsold partnership has
> been seaching for.
> I see a few immediate benifits:
>
> 1. No CRT horses even thinking about Texas
> ie no liscenseing problems
>
> 2. we have partners within the stateand nearby
> in Louisanna
>
> 3. The easier comp should be good for the pud
> win albiet probalbly in the 10k for nw1 range 6k winning purse.
>
> I started to think about what Cal said and also looked at Itbaya winning
> race and how we got into the winners circle with her.....dropped her in
> class...she was doing the same as the pud is now in the early
> summer.......finishing 4 or 5th every time out we dropped her in class
> and although it took a couple of races she finaaly broke her 21 race
> losing streak......well Unsold is in the same canoe as Itsy was
> in....and the way to the winners circle is dropping him until he
> wins....and Sam houston sounds like just the ticket.......
> Allan
>
> ps......I was so excited terry I downloaded the requirements for
> ownership in Texas.......One of the partners has to make a sworn
> statement that the partnership can can conduct business in Texas. The
> track needs the names and addresses of all the partners. theusual 5%
> rule
> (all those with over 5% ownership must be lisenced owners.Cost 20 bucks)
> . And VOP must either fill out the authorized agent stuff
> OR designiate a partner
VOP MAIL PAGE
10-OCT-1997 17:26:35.99
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Bob b idea [3073]
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Partners.
Iam so excited I almost forgot if we can establish
somewhere in the midwest where we can send our turf horses and cheaper
stock
it will benefit VOP in both the long and short run
to do it ib Texas.
Allan
VOP MAIL PAGE
10-OCT-1997 17:19:13.64
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Sam Houston [3072]
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Partners,
While I still feel Unsold can improve his performance over
his AP races.....into the 85-90 Beyer fig range....and given Keith
Sirota lukewarm response to the pud PP's Perhaps Terry's suggestion of
Sam Houston and its easier comp is the answer the Unsold partnership has
been seaching for.
I see a few immediate benifits:
1. No CRT horses even thinking about Texas
ie no liscenseing problems
2. we have partners within the stateand nearby
in Louisanna
3. The easier comp should be good for the pud
win albiet probalbly in the 10k for nw1 range 6k winning purse.
I started to think about what Cal said and also looked at Itbaya winning
race and how we got into the winners circle with her.....dropped her in
class...she was doing the same as the pud is now in the early
summer.......finishing 4 or 5th every time out we dropped her in class
and although it took a couple of races she finaaly broke her 21 race
losing streak......well Unsold is in the same canoe as Itsy was
in....and the way to the winners circle is dropping him until he
wins....and Sam houston sounds like just the ticket.......
Allan
ps......I was so excited terry I downloaded the requirements for
ownership in Texas.......One of the partners has to make a sworn
statement that the partnership can can conduct business in Texas. The
track needs the names and addresses of all the partners. theusual 5%
rule
(all those with over 5% ownership must be lisenced owners.Cost 20 bucks)
. And VOP must either fill out the authorized agent stuff
OR designiate a partner
VOP MAIL PAGE
10-OCT-1997 16:41:11.52
From: IN%"jen@jaka.ece.uiuc.edu" "Jen Roth"
From: jen@jaka.ece.uiuc.edu
Subject: Chicago Racing Report (fwd) [3071]
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Well, I complained about the 10 minutes spent covering the casinos, and
got the following reply.
--
Jen Roth
jen@jaka.ece.uiuc.edu
Thank you for not dumping core.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 17:19:19 -0400
Subject: Chicago Racing Report
Thank you for informing us of the Chicago Racing Report gambling segments.
I was not aware of it and will followup. This program should be covering
the actual race results from the local tracks.
VOP MAIL PAGE
10-OCT-1997 16:38:08.81
From: IN%"robws@ix.netcom.com" "Bob Schaefer"
From: robws@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: Itsy's win [2991] [3058] [3070]
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I didn't know the shoes were available. I'd also like to have one.
Bob Schaefer
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> From: LARRY M MARCUS
> To: virtual-owners@vop.org
> Subject: Itsy's win [2991] [3058]
> Date: Friday, October 10, 1997 3:10 PM
>
> I'm sure all of the other Itsy partner's were happy I didn't show up
> in person to jinx her again.
>
> In fact - I WAS at Belmont to see the other horse I have a share in
> run - she ran 11th. The jinx is still intact.
>
> Then ran to New Haven to see Itsy win in a great race!!! - perfect
> ride by Guidry. I'd like a copy of the video if one is available.
> Can't wait to get the picture. And - is there any horseshoe
> distribution plan? - I'm still one of the partners who hasn't gotten
> one.
>
> Congratulations to Liane, Cal, Mark and all of Itsy's partners.
> Isn't is amazing how well she runs when she's healthy!!??(VBSEG)
>
>
> Larry
VOP MAIL PAGE
10-OCT-1997 16:37:16.15
From: IN%"robws@ix.netcom.com" "Bob Schaefer"
From: robws@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: Itbaya win photos [3052] [3069]
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Thanks Cal. I'm really looking forward to receiving mine. Its been a long
long time.
BS
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> From: Cal Jestice
> To: virtual-owners@vop.org
> Subject: Itbaya win photos [3052]
> Date: Thursday, October 09, 1997 11:47 PM
>
> Y'all,
>
> I'll be picking up the Itbaya win photos on
> Friday and getting them out in the mail on Saturday.
> Any local partners wanting to grab theirs at the track
> should let me know.
>
> Cal
>
VOP MAIL PAGE
10-OCT-1997 14:31:13.69
From: IN%"Burgooking@aol.com"
From: Burgooking@aol.com
Subject: Cal [3068]
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Cal:
Could you call me at (847) 835-2400 if you get this E-mail
before 5 pm on Friday.
Steve Lewis
P.S. Have me paged
VOP MAIL PAGE
10-OCT-1997 11:50:47.39
From: IN%"Falstafguy@aol.com"
From: Falstafguy@aol.com
Subject: Re: Sam Houston [3060] [3067]
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In a message dated 97-10-10 10:51:26 EDT, tlbjor@searle.monsanto.com writes:
<< Joe or Darrell - know the actual dates? >>
Terry/all,
Sam runs from Nov 27th to April 4th I believe. I know Lone Star opens on
April 9th.
As I mentioned in an earlier post when I spoke to the racing sec at Sam a few
months back he mentioned daily purse schedule of $70-75k. Certainly not great
but a place where I believe Unsold could be competitive. He also said at that
time that they hoped to card 1 or 2 turf races a day. That of course remains
to be seen.
I would also mention again that if the Sam Houston option is explored and
VOP might consider shipping Wes down, that we should also consider Nat a
candidate for Sam. I don't see FG as an option for Nat but she could likely
compete at Sam.
I have a call into Sam now and am waiting on a call back.
Darrell B
VOP MAIL PAGE
10-OCT-1997 10:57:21.28
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com
Subject: Re: Itsy's win [2991] [3058] [3066]
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On Oct 10, 10:10am, LARRY M MARCUS wrote:
> Subject: Itsy's win [2991] [3058]
> I'm sure all of the other Itsy partner's were happy I didn't show up
> in person to jinx her again.
>
> In fact - I WAS at Belmont to see the other horse I have a share in
> run - she ran 11th. The jinx is still intact.
>
> Then ran to New Haven to see Itsy win in a great race!!! - perfect
> ride by Guidry. I'd like a copy of the video if one is available.
> Can't wait to get the picture. And - is there any horseshoe
> distribution plan? - I'm still one of the partners who hasn't gotten
> one.
>
As a matter of fact, I think I still have the set of shoes
from her N2X win sitting in my basement. The first attempt at this
caused such grief that I really question the value of doing it again.
I'll talk to Liane to see when Itsy will be shod next.
Cal
>
> Larry
>-- End of excerpt from LARRY M MARCUS
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10-OCT-1997 10:42:42.21
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: Re: Horseshoe request [3065]
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< And - is there any horseshoe
>distribution plan? - I'm still one of the partners who hasn't gotten
one.>
>
>Larry
Put in your horseshoe request's to pancho,or if your not local have a local
partner ask pancho.
I asked him to get me a set of pappy's shoe's and he remembered even though
I hadn't been around the barn for 2 month's. You can expect a set to be
replaced
every 3-4 weeks, so there should be plenty for those interested.
ap
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10-OCT-1997 10:29:08.83
From: IN%"joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com" "Pacheco, Joe"
From: joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com
Subject: FW: Sam Houston [3060] [3064]
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>----------
>From: Pacheco, Joe
>Sent: Friday, October 10, 1997 10:24 AM
>To: 'tlbjor@searle.monsanto.com'
>Subject: RE: Sam Houston [3060]
>
>Terry,
>I haven't a clue. Darrell can you look at this? I'm currently reviewing the
>Lone Star conditions books to pull some races for comparison.
>Joe P
>
>----------
>From: Terry Bjork[SMTP:tlbjor@searle.monsanto.com]
>Sent: Friday, October 10, 1997 9:51 AM
>To: virtual-owners@vop.org
>Subject: Sam Houston [3060]
>
>
>TB meet opens Nov. 27th and then runs through ??? of 1998.
>
>Joe or Darrell - know the actual dates?
>
>Also, anyone got the turf pars for Sam Houston, as well as an idea
>of what levels of races they run and purses during the winter meet?
>Purses were pretty stinky during the Sept. mixed meet.
>
>FYI - They ran a turf stakes there during the Sept. mixed meet, with
>a purse of $20,550. There was even the claim that this was a G3 race!
>
>Over 1-1/16, finish time was 1:58.12. Wes' 1-1/8 was won yesterday in
>1:52.76, so call Wes 1:54 for the 1-1/8 . Wes could be a graded stakes
>winner at Sam Houston!
>
>Terry
>
>
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10-OCT-1997 10:02:35.96
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com
Subject: Re: Sam Houston [3060] [3061]
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Y'all,
I agree that SH would be a much easier spot for
the flash should we wish to continue with him. I know
Chicago trainer Steve Assmussen races in Texas along
with a couple others who have been on this circuit. The
purses aren't great, but the competition should be a
notch or two below Hialeah.
The National Charts Weekly doesn't carry Sam
Houston, so I can't pull up a year's worth of results.
I'll dig through all of last year's forms to see if
I've got a few with SH in it to get a handle on the
level of competition. I'll also get in touch with
the racing office to get a condition book.
Cal
On Oct 10, 9:51am, Terry Bjork wrote:
> Subject: Sam Houston [3060]
>
> TB meet opens Nov. 27th and then runs through ??? of 1998.
>
> Joe or Darrell - know the actual dates
>
> Also, anyone got the turf pars for Sam Houston, as well as an idea
> of what levels of races they run and purses during the winter meet?
> Purses were pretty stinky during the Sept. mixed meet.
>
> FYI - They ran a turf stakes there during the Sept. mixed meet, with
> a purse of $20,550. There was even the claim that this was a G3 race!
>
> Over 1-1/16, finish time was 1:58.12. Wes' 1-1/8 was won yesterday in
> 1:52.76, so call Wes 1:54 for the 1-1/8 . Wes could be a graded stakes
> winner at Sam Houston!
>
> Terry
>
>-- End of excerpt from Terry Bjork
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10-OCT-1997 09:53:39.92
From: IN%"tlbjor@searle.monsanto.com"
From: tlbjor@searle.monsanto.com
Subject: Sam Houston [3060]
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TB meet opens Nov. 27th and then runs through ??? of 1998.
Joe or Darrell - know the actual dates?
Also, anyone got the turf pars for Sam Houston, as well as an idea
of what levels of races they run and purses during the winter meet?
Purses were pretty stinky during the Sept. mixed meet.
FYI - They ran a turf stakes there during the Sept. mixed meet, with
a purse of $20,550. There was even the claim that this was a G3 race!
Over 1-1/16, finish time was 1:58.12. Wes' 1-1/8 was won yesterday in
1:52.76, so call Wes 1:54 for the 1-1/8 . Wes could be a graded stakes
winner at Sam Houston!
Terry
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10-OCT-1997 09:25:32.46
From: IN%"drew@ctnet.com" "Drew"
From: drew@ctnet.com
Subject: Re: Itsy's win [2991] [3058] [3059]
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>I'm sure all of the other Itsy partner's were happy I didn't show up
>in person to jinx her again.
So...
Larry didn't show up at the track,
Joe didn't wager on Itsy, and
Allan didn't wear his VOP shirt.
Which of these things (or which combination of them) is
the true jinx?
====================================================
Am I ignorant or merely apathetic?
I don't know and I don't care.
----------------------------------------------------
Drew Ivan drew@ctnet.com
====================================================
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10-OCT-1997 09:15:59.04
From: IN%"DWRE56A@prodigy.com"
From: DWRE56A@prodigy.com
Subject: Itsy's win [2991] [3058]
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I'm sure all of the other Itsy partner's were happy I didn't show up
in person to jinx her again.
In fact - I WAS at Belmont to see the other horse I have a share in
run - she ran 11th. The jinx is still intact.
Then ran to New Haven to see Itsy win in a great race!!! - perfect
ride by Guidry. I'd like a copy of the video if one is available.
Can't wait to get the picture. And - is there any horseshoe
distribution plan? - I'm still one of the partners who hasn't gotten
one.
Congratulations to Liane, Cal, Mark and all of Itsy's partners.
Isn't is amazing how well she runs when she's healthy!!??(VBSEG)
Larry
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10-OCT-1997 08:50:26.45
From: IN%"Sally_Jestice-CSJ007@email.mot.com" "Sally Jestice-CSJ007"
From: Sally_Jestice-CSJ007@email.mot.com
Subject: RE: "End of an Era?" [2932] [3057]
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Mark,
Looks like you worked really hard on this section and the result is very
impressive. I really enjoyed your very personal and heartfelt article.
Sally
________________________________________________________
To: virtual-owners@vop.org@INTERNET
From: malesia@home.com@INTERNET on Tue, Oct 7, 1997 7:30 PM
Subject: "End of an Era?" [2932]
Partners,
If you have a chance to pick up the Daily Herald on Friday, please
check out the special section "End of an Era?" If you're at Arlington,
the paper is giving it away as part of a promotion. I did much of the
writing and design, and I'm kind of proud of it. It's a 12-page tabloid
on the history of the track, with an analysis by our political writer on
whether this is really the end (she says yes). For out-of-towners, we're
a 130,000-circulation paper covering much of the Chicago suburban area.
I'd be happy to snail mail you a copy if you give me your address.
Thanks.
-- Mark
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10-OCT-1997 07:43:48.49
From: IN%"RBDN74A@prodigy.com"
From: RBDN74A@prodigy.com
Subject: re: Unsold and licensing [3043] [3056]
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Terry wrote:
It is not as bad as it seems, but in the case of Unsold and Florida
we do
have a problem with Joe Calvo (and possibly others) that would have
to get resolved before Wes could go there, perhaps by leasing,
although
I think technically that's kind of a shady approach and the rules on
this
differ in every state as well (California was a real stickler about
this,
with
written lease agreements required and all sorts of hoop-jumping).
*************
I'm not sure we'd have a problem in Florida. As I mentioned in an
earlier post, the only CRT horse Keith trains right now is Village
Fair. Her status for Florida has not been set yet so it could
actually be possible that CRT will not have any horses in Florida.
Also, I had Keith take a look at the form for Unsold. His first
thought wasn't a positive one. Knowing Keith, I wasn't surprised of
his thinking after seeing 1 win in 21 starts (make it 22). I know he
doesn't care about cashing checks as much as he looks for the win. I
know he'd only be concerned about where the horse could win. I'm
seeing him tomorrow morning and I'll discuss the situation further.
If anyone has other thoughts or questions they would like me to relay
in person, let me know.
Regards Joe
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10-OCT-1997 07:07:59.32
From: IN%"oaklawn@apci.net" "Robert J. Hillebrand"
From: oaklawn@apci.net
Subject: Re: Itsy Wins [2978] [3055]
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Sorry; my mistake about the venue. My brain was apparently stuck in Tuesday
with the Nat race.
Bob H.
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert J. Hillebrand
To: virtual-owners@vop.org
Date: Wednesday, October 08, 1997 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: Itsy Wins [2978]
>Congratulations to the proud owners if Itbaya. Nice work, and glad that
>non-win streak has ended. It appears that all we needed was to get away
from
>AP, where it was definitely a long, hot summer.
>
>Bob Hillebrand
>
>
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9-OCT-1997 21:28:56.11
From: IN%"tlbjork@ais.net" "Terry Bjork"
From: tlbjork@ais.net
Subject: Paparouna pictures [3054]
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Originally I made one extra set of my Paparouna race pictures for Joe P.
Since then I've had an additional request for a set. As long as I have
to take the negatives in anyhow, I'd be willing to order extra sets.
There's about 15 pictures in the entire set, the best 3 of which you've
already seen. To get them dup'ed and mailed will probably cost about
$7-$8 the set. If anyone else wants a set let me know by Monday.
Terry
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9-OCT-1997 20:05:45.77
From: IN%"Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com" "Cal Jestice"
From: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com
Subject: Unsold's Race [3053]
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Y'all,
It was another typical Unsold performance today as
he loped around the track with no problems to finish 4th.
Garret's comments after the race were that Unsold didn't
have any problems and ran the best he could.
Watching the replay inside with Mike Sasso, Dale
Herman, Mark Alesia and a couple other VOPsters, we
couldn't see any reason why Unsold didn't fire. It looked
like Garret may have gotten Unsold a little tight a couple
of times, but the head-on replay shows he always had a
clear path to run through.
The top two finishers in the race had never had a
career best BSF over 73. The third place finisher overcame
a wide troubled trip to pass Unsold. With a perfect trip,
the Flash could do no better than fourth.
I'm urging the Unsold partners to put a lot of thought
into what they want to do with him. Our six year old mare,
Itbaya, is consistantly running BSF's just under 80. Unsold
isn't close to that and he needs to run against males. I've
burned a half day of vacation digging up the BSF's for Calder,
Hialeah and Monmouth for the claiming ranks there. They're
on par with Arlington and if the Flash repeats his career best
he could get third in _some_ of those races. Those tracks don't
have conditioned claiming races, so he'll either face open races
or go back into allowances. I'm posting a table of the win,place
and show BSF from the last year of races at those tracks
(Calder: Oct->Dec, Hia: Mar->May, Mth/Mea: Jun-> Sept).
If a majority of partners are hell-bent on keeping the Flash
another year, we'll do it. However, I see no opportunity for
the Flash to make money or break even on that circuit.
Cal
Date Class Dist Win Place Show
10/24/96 25K 8.5 93 85 85
10/26/96 N1X 8.5 81 80 78
10/28/96 32K 9.0 88 86 80
11/4/96 32K 9.0 89 87 87
11/5/96 N2X 8.5 89 87 77
11/7/96 N1X 9.0 83 83 77
11/9/96 25K 9.0 92 86 83
11/18/96 N2X 8.5 90 87 84
11/21/96 N1X 8.5 86 71 71
11/23/96 25K 9.0 89 87 83
11/24/96 32K 8.5 88 86 74
11/28/96 N1X 9.0 79 78 77
11/29/96 N1X 9.0 80 80 76
11/30/96 N2X 8.5 86 86 83
12/7/96 25K 9.0 87 84 82
12/12/96 N2X 8.5 90 87 83
12/13/96 25K 8.5 83 75 75
12/14/96 N1X 9.0 84 76 74
12/21/96 N2X 8.5 86 85 82
12/26/96 25K 9.0 89 87 87
12/28/96 N1X 9.0 83 82 78
12/31/96 40K 9.0 94 85 81
3/18/97 N2X 8.5 90 88 85
3/19/97 35K 9.0 90 85 82
3/23/97 N1X 9.0 86 80 80
3/28/97 35K 9.5 89 82 80
3/29/97 N2X 9.0 102 88 74
4/8/97 35K 8.5 90 89 88
4/19/97 35K 9.5 93 91 90
4/21/97 N1X 8.5 83 80 79
4/21/97 35K 9.0 87 80 73
4/23/97 N2X 8.5 91 89 89
5/3/97 N1X 9.0 84 78 78
5/4/97 N2X 9.0 92 88 88
5/4/97 35K 8.5 90 88 80
5/14/97 25K 8.5 93 89 81
5/14/97 N2X 8.5 86 86 85
5/31/97 22K 9.0 86 84 80
5/31/97 N1X 8.5 89 79 79
6/5/97 35K 8.5 86 85 84
6/11/97 N1X 8.5 84 84 84
6/14/97 20K 8.5 82 80 78
6/15/97 30K 8.5 94 86 84
6/21/97 N1X 9.0 85 81 81
6/26/97 N2X 9.0 88 80 79
6/26/97 N2X 9.0 91 90 80
6/28/97 20K 8.0 91 84 80
6/28/97 25K 9.0 85 85 85
7/2/97 N1X 8.5 83 83 76
7/3/97 N1X 8.5 85 76 76
7/6/97 20K 8.5 85 82 82
7/9/97 35K 9.0 86 84 84
7/12/97 N1X 8.5 83 80 80
7/12/97 N1X 8.5 83 83 82
7/13/97 20K 8.5 82 82 81
7/16/97 N2X 9.0 85 82 78
7/17/97 25K 8.0 90 85 71
7/17/97 25K 8.0 94 90 89
7/30/97 20K 8.5 86 86 85
7/31/97 N2X 8.5 86 84 84
8/1/97 22K 8.5 89 82 79
8/1/97 22K 8.5 87 84 82
8/3/97 N1X 8.5 94 86 85
8/8/97 20K 8.0 81 79 78
8/9/97 N2X 8.0 88 87 84
8/9/97 25K 8.5 84 79 79
8/16/97 20K 8.5 89 82 81
8/16/97 N1X 8.5 97 87 81
8/17/97 20K 8.5 82 82 82
8/29/97 N1X 9.0 90 84 80
8/31/97 22K 8.5 80 79 78
8/31/97 N2X 9.0 88 88 83
9/6/97 N1X 8.5 84 84 80
9/12/97 16K 8.5 84 84 82
9/16/97 22K 8.5 90 89 88
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9-OCT-1997 20:05:33.79
From: IN%"Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com" "Cal Jestice"
From: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com
Subject: Itbaya win photos [3052]
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Y'all,
I'll be picking up the Itbaya win photos on
Friday and getting them out in the mail on Saturday.
Any local partners wanting to grab theirs at the track
should let me know.
Cal
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9-OCT-1997 20:04:52.53
From: IN%"Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com" "Cal Jestice"
From: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com
Subject: RE: The Pud [3035] [3051]
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Y'all,
Steve Lewis was being interviewed by the Associated
Press. He was laying it on pretty thick.
They stopped by to talk to me before Dawn's race and
I'm sure I'll make the papers. I said that Arlington's closing was
a good thing because someone has finally taken action as
opposed to talking about changing things for Illinois racing.
I'm dying to see how that statement reads when it hits the
wires.
Cal
----------
From: Terry Bjork
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 1997 3:16 PM
To: virtual-owners@vop.org
Subject: The Pud [3035]
Looked real good on the track pre-race. Got a good start and then
settled at the back of the pack inside going into the 1st turn, well
back of the leaders. Moved up some on the backstretch, and went into
the 2nd turn 4th (or 5th). Had a good position in 4th coming into the
stretch, still on the inside, with a few horses in front but a clear lane
to
run in. Made a run down the top of the stretch but flattened out to
finish in 4th, maybe 4 or 5 back of the winner. Couple of longshots
finished 1-2 on a moderate pace.
No mishaps, no excuses. Garrett always had plenty of room. Just wasn't
fast enough.
Went off as the 9/5 fave.
Big crowd of VOPsters on hand including Mike Sasso and clan,
Steve Lewis, Steve Brannon, Dale who it seems never has to work,
Karan Z., Bob B., Mark Alesia, Cal and Sally, and I don't know who
else as the little owner's tent was getting too crowded so I went down
by the rail to watch the race and particularly the stretch run.
As I left Steve Lewis was getting interviewed by someone and was
lying his ass off. ;-)
Made good money on race #2 betting the 4. Lost it back on the Pud.
Terry
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9-OCT-1997 17:59:48.81
From: IN%"debbderl@uic.edu"
From: debbderl@uic.edu
Subject: Re: "End of an Era?" [2932] [3050]
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Mark wrote:
> Partners,
>
> If you have a chance to pick up the Daily Herald on Friday, please
>check out the special section "End of an Era?" If you're at Arlington,
>the paper is giving it away as part of a promotion. I did much of the
>writing and design, and I'm kind of proud of it. It's a 12-page tabloid
>on the history of the track,..........
>
> -- Mark
>
Last weekend, AP said that they'd be giving away lots of T-shirts and
Arlington Million poster, too.
If the Starting Gate (2nd fl) is still open, they're selling their books at
50% off. They have Nafzger's Traits of a Winner, Helm's A Breed Apart, and
the old standby, Feldman's Woulda Coulda Shoulda (or Coulda Shoulda Woulda,
whatever).
Last Saturday, AP was giving out coupons for a free hot dog at Trackside or
at the Mudbug; hope none of you missed that really great prize! Sunday, the
coupon was for FREE admission to the same places; admission at the Mudbug is
$1, big deal. I can hardly wait for tomorrow's coupon, probably $0.50 off a
program at Balmoral. :^)
Debby D
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9-OCT-1997 17:16:42.97
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: Eudora pro 3.0 [3049]
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V's,
Those of you using the above e-mail program, there is a free download at
their site. www.eudora.com
It includes pgp (encryption program). Beware its 9.1 mg
ap
VOP MAIL PAGE
9-OCT-1997 16:55:29.22
From: IN%"Burgooking@aol.com"
From: Burgooking@aol.com
Subject: Re: The Pud [3035] [3047]
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Terry:
I was only lying about you! Actually the interview was from the Associated
Press. They were asking questions about how owners felt about Arlington
closing. They reporter also seemed very interested in the VOP ownership
angle for a future story. They asked for a number to contact us in the
future.
First the Associated Press then the White House. Is that moving up or down?
I'm so confused.
GOOOOOOOO BLACKHAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Steve Lewis
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9-OCT-1997 16:54:51.63
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: Re: Partnership blues [3042] [3046]
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--Boundary_[ID_KoW0QabGMPl3+2SrxnKgjg]
Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Steve/all,
Just image how the 6 horses who finished behind him today
feel....beaten by a pud
Allan
--Boundary_[ID_KoW0QabGMPl3+2SrxnKgjg]
Content-type: MESSAGE/RFC822
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:47:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Burgooking@aol.com
Subject: Re: Partnership blues [3042]
To: biggestal2@webtv.net, virtual-owners@vop.org
Message-id: <971009174609_1045127183@emout14.mail.aol.com>
A dollar a year is too much for Unsold!
Steve Lewis
--Boundary_[ID_KoW0QabGMPl3+2SrxnKgjg]--
VOP MAIL PAGE
9-OCT-1997 16:51:12.66
From: IN%"tlbjor@searle.monsanto.com"
From: tlbjor@searle.monsanto.com
Subject: re: the Pud [3045]
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Drew wrote:
>Three races and three checks in three days. Somebody's
>going to have a lot of work to do on the Web page. ;-)
Neener. Someone already has it all done and ready to upload this
evening, at least the front page.
BTW Drew - give me the URL of your VOPalooza page again. Hopefully
tonight the "official" VOPalooza page will also be added to the site, with
a link to Drew's page.
Send your response to tlbjork@ais.net as I'm about ready to head out
of here.
Terry
VOP MAIL PAGE
9-OCT-1997 16:50:38.57
From: IN%"Burgooking@aol.com"
From: Burgooking@aol.com
Subject: Re: Partnership blues [3042] [3044]
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A dollar a year is too much for Unsold!
Steve Lewis
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9-OCT-1997 16:46:13.62
From: IN%"tlbjor@searle.monsanto.com"
From: tlbjor@searle.monsanto.com
Subject: re: Unsold and licensing [3043]
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Bob Bowman wrote:
> We have to figure out where we can run. If we have to avoid
>other partnerships then we can't run in Kentucky, Indiana,
>(Post Call) California, New Jersey, Florida (CRT) and ...
We can run anywhere we don't have a VOP partner involved in the
horse we want to run who is also a partner in another partnership's
horse, and where we can get licensed.
For instance, if no one in VOP horse A is also in Post Call then we
can run in Kentucky. Etc. It all boils down to who is on the partner's
list. In Louisiana we only turned in the names of those who owned
pieces of the horses we intended to run there (which was all last year
but will be substantially less this year).
The list above, which should technically include New York, Maryland,
Delaware, Virginia, Arizona, and Pennsylvania (all CRT-licensed), are
states where we need to be very careful, but are not states where we
could never run.
I do not expect CRT to license every single CRT partner in Florida; just
those who have a horse with Keith. My name will not be turned in as a CRT
partner, for instance, as I technically don't have a piece of any CRT
horses
right now. My piece of the cheap gray filly is leased out and only runs in
AZ
in the first place. CRT partners who only own in AZ and Cal. and MD will
not
be turned in for Florida licensing. Nor would I expect VOP to try and
license every single partner in every horse if we were just sending one.
It is not as bad as it seems, but in the case of Unsold and Florida we do
have a problem with Joe Calvo (and possibly others) that would have
to get resolved before Wes could go there, perhaps by leasing, although
I think technically that's kind of a shady approach and the rules on this
differ in every state as well (California was a real stickler about this,
with
written lease agreements required and all sorts of hoop-jumping).
And of course I don't think he should go to FL in the 1st place anymore
than
he should go to Louisiana. Sam Houston - that's a different story. ;-) And
maybe someone would claim the Pud off us there, which is an extremely
unlikely outcome in either FL or LA.
We do need to know the specific rules in each and every state. Those of
you who weren't here at the beginning can't imagine all the baloney we
had to go through for Illinois. Getting our Kentucky license was a piece of
cake. Louisiana was somewhere in between. But we still don't know the
specific dual-stable name rules for either KY or LA.
Terry
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9-OCT-1997 16:42:12.85
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Partnership blues [3042]
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Partners,
If we do vote to send the flash to Florida at the end of
the month.....the only person person effected is Joe Calvo....Joe could
do as Terry did in arizona and Lease his share back to the partnership
for a dollar a year.......I am sure this is doable...Can anybody think
of why this can't be done?
Allan
VOP MAIL PAGE
9-OCT-1997 16:32:27.72
From: IN%"debbderl@uic.edu"
From: debbderl@uic.edu
Subject: Re: The Pud [3035] [3036] [3041]
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Drew wrote:
>
>Three races and three checks in three days. Somebody's
>going to have a lot of work to do on the Web page. ;-)
>
Thanks for the new pics of Poppy, Terry.
Next time, let's hope that they all show nobody in front of her, just space
and a finish line!
Debby D
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> Am I ignorant or merely apathetic?
> I don't know and I don't care.
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>Drew Ivan drew@ctnet.com
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9-OCT-1997 16:21:39.27
From: IN%"herman@enteract.com" "Dale E. Herman"
From: herman@enteract.com
Subject: Dueling Partnerships [3040]
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On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, RTBOWMAN wrote:
> We have to figure out where we can run. If we have to avoid
> other partnerships then we can't run in Kentucky, Indiana,
> (Post Call) California, New Jersey, Florida (CRT) and ...
The only thing we HAVE to avoid is partners hiding behind two aliases at
the same venue (as many others have already posted).
I think the gentleperson's agreement that has CRT and VOP avoid operating
in the same geographic region should be terminated, but I'm not worried
about growing a partnership. If VOP had one or two horses and ten
partners, that would be fine with me.
I'm a free market proponent, so giving one partnership a regional monopoly
looks inefficient to me (obligatory pompous, academic sounding statement).
Let the money flow to the partnership doing the best job.
I think a toe-to-toe rivaly with CRT would be a lot of fun.
Hope this isn't too controversial,
Dale H.
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9-OCT-1997 16:13:12.45
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: The flash [3039]
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Partners,
Another 4th....I am gonna cry.......780
into the bank..........another close but no cigar
after yesterday Itsy win I had high hopes for the flash ran 4 by 5 1/4
lengths...what a life.....
Allan
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9-OCT-1997 15:48:00.36
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: Unsold [3037] [3038]
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Bob,
CRT east partnership ran village fair twice at Belmont
Allan
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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 15:34:44 -0500
From: RTBOWMAN
Subject: Unsold [3037]
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Comments: Virtual-Owners-Partnership Mailing List
I went to the track to watch Unsold run.
I'll leave the race commentary to others who saw the race.
I watched Gomez take him to the back and settle him in about 8th.
The I lost him on the back stretch and didn't pick him up again
until the stretch.
I did get there before the second race though and found
Liane sitting alone in the paddock. Talked to her for a few
minutes about Unsold.
I mentioned the talk about selling Unsold and that a number
of owners weren't ready for that step yet. I asked what she
thought about Unsold after Hawthorne.
She said that depending on what he did at Hawthorne, a
couple week layoff and then try a couple races at FG and
we could still make the January sale at that time.
I said that I had reservations about running Unsold at FG
after last year results. Liane said his efforts weren't that
bad and she thought it was a little tough for him last year
coming off of injury and catching some tough fields.
I also asked her about next year when Arlington closes.
Liane said that if we needed to we could send a horse to
Kentucky for a race. I pointed out that we have a lot of
discussion currently on the list about running in states where
we have partners in other partnerships. She basically said
that it was a problem with a partnership like ours and went
to watch the second race.
We have to figure out where we can run. If we have to avoid
other partnerships then we can't run in Kentucky, Indiana,
(Post Call) California, New Jersey, Florida (CRT) and ...
I guess we're forever locked to Chicago and FG unless we
want to try Saratoga or Belmont.
Bob B.
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9-OCT-1997 15:44:11.81
From: IN%"RTBOWMAN@prodigy.net"
From: RTBOWMAN@prodigy.net
Subject: Unsold [3037]
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I went to the track to watch Unsold run.
I'll leave the race commentary to others who saw the race.
I watched Gomez take him to the back and settle him in about 8th.
The I lost him on the back stretch and didn't pick him up again
until the stretch.
I did get there before the second race though and found
Liane sitting alone in the paddock. Talked to her for a few
minutes about Unsold.
I mentioned the talk about selling Unsold and that a number
of owners weren't ready for that step yet. I asked what she
thought about Unsold after Hawthorne.
She said that depending on what he did at Hawthorne, a
couple week layoff and then try a couple races at FG and
we could still make the January sale at that time.
I said that I had reservations about running Unsold at FG
after last year results. Liane said his efforts weren't that
bad and she thought it was a little tough for him last year
coming off of injury and catching some tough fields.
I also asked her about next year when Arlington closes.
Liane said that if we needed to we could send a horse to
Kentucky for a race. I pointed out that we have a lot of
discussion currently on the list about running in states where
we have partners in other partnerships. She basically said
that it was a problem with a partnership like ours and went
to watch the second race.
We have to figure out where we can run. If we have to avoid
other partnerships then we can't run in Kentucky, Indiana,
(Post Call) California, New Jersey, Florida (CRT) and ...
I guess we're forever locked to Chicago and FG unless we
want to try Saratoga or Belmont.
Bob B.
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9-OCT-1997 15:31:42.38
From: IN%"drew@ctnet.com" "Drew"
From: drew@ctnet.com
Subject: Re: The Pud [3035] [3036]
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>As I left Steve Lewis was getting interviewed by someone and was
>lying his ass off. ;-)
Maybe he's gearing up for a career in politics. Then
he could get something done about those pesky licensing
laws.
>Made good money on race #2 betting the 4. Lost it back on the Pud.
Three races and three checks in three days. Somebody's
going to have a lot of work to do on the Web page. ;-)
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Am I ignorant or merely apathetic?
I don't know and I don't care.
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Drew Ivan drew@ctnet.com
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9-OCT-1997 15:18:20.70
From: IN%"tlbjor@searle.monsanto.com"
From: tlbjor@searle.monsanto.com
Subject: The Pud [3035]
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Looked real good on the track pre-race. Got a good start and then
settled at the back of the pack inside going into the 1st turn, well
back of the leaders. Moved up some on the backstretch, and went into
the 2nd turn 4th (or 5th). Had a good position in 4th coming into the
stretch, still on the inside, with a few horses in front but a clear lane
to
run in. Made a run down the top of the stretch but flattened out to
finish in 4th, maybe 4 or 5 back of the winner. Couple of longshots
finished 1-2 on a moderate pace.
No mishaps, no excuses. Garrett always had plenty of room. Just wasn't
fast enough.
Went off as the 9/5 fave.
Big crowd of VOPsters on hand including Mike Sasso and clan,
Steve Lewis, Steve Brannon, Dale who it seems never has to work,
Karan Z., Bob B., Mark Alesia, Cal and Sally, and I don't know who
else as the little owner's tent was getting too crowded so I went down
by the rail to watch the race and particularly the stretch run.
As I left Steve Lewis was getting interviewed by someone and was
lying his ass off. ;-)
Made good money on race #2 betting the 4. Lost it back on the Pud.
Terry
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