31-OCT-1997 22:36:44.00
From: IN%"StLMo@aol.com"
From: StLMo@aol.com
Subject: Unsold [3499]
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Allan and other Unsold partners,
IF the race stays on the grass I feel that Unsold will redeem himself and
quite possibly get his first win as a VOPster. But, with the rain in the
forecast, I have a feeling this race won't remain on the turf. In that case,
I think we should just drop the horse to a rock bottom claiming N2L
(preferably at the 6 1/2 f distance). He just may get up for 5th or 4th and
someone may be fooled into claiming him. I don't think we're going to get
much more in a private sale. Also, if he doesn't get claimed and we keep
him, he then would become eligible for some of those allowance starter races
for horses that have started for a cheap price.
I sure hope the race stays on but... LET"S SCRATCH if it comes off and go
for the easiest spot possible.
Any thoughts, comments?
Steve Moses
VOP MAIL PAGE
31-OCT-1997 18:48:47.17
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: An open letter to Unsold [3498]
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Unsold,
You got one last chance to prove Terry and the rest of
partnership that you deserve to run in VOP colors somewhere following
your rest and Monday is your BIG chance......I know that your ankle is
bothering you and that your last race wasn't that good but your trainer
has been working with you to get a win out of you and I personally feel
you can do it ......so get on the track and give it your best......
sincerely,
Allan
(one of your biggest fans)
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31-OCT-1997 18:43:35.38
From: IN%"tlbjork@ais.net" "Terry Bjork"
From: tlbjork@ais.net
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: FG information for Itbaya [3451] [3477] [3478] [3480] [3497]
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At 09:00 AM 10/31/97 -0600, Dale E. Herman wrote:
>I may vote to send Itbaya to FG cause I'm a sucker for "the action". And
>I can't think of anything better that the partnership will go for. And I
>really like Itbaya. But I won't expect a win. Most likely $2,000 X Nov,
>Dec, Jan, Feb, Mar + shipping expenses with a couple 3rds to show for it
>from four to five races.
On the plus side, there's somewhere close to $10k in Itbaya's account
right now, so the Nov., Dec., Jan., and probably Feb. cash calls are
already covered.
Incidentally - anyone negotiating a sale of their Itbaya shares should
probably remember to tack that horsemen's account money onto the agreed
upon sale price for the horse. After all, it's your money.
Terry
VOP MAIL PAGE
31-OCT-1997 18:38:57.72
From: IN%"milesm@slewpy.drf.com"
From: milesm@slewpy.drf.com
Subject: StableMail -- Unsold [3496]
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This is a notice from the Daily Racing Form's online StableMail which
informs you when certain horses will be running in the near future. You
are receiving this message because Unsold is entered to run
in the 3rd race at Hawthorne Park on November 3, 1997. For more information
about the race, be sure to check out Daily Racing Form's web site
at http://www.drf.com/ or view the entries for this race at
http://www.drf.com/entries/03/HAW.html.
You also wrote the following notes about this horse:
Other Information About this Race
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Race Type:
Purse: $12,000
Claiming Price for Unsold (if applicable): 17,500
Surface: Turf
Distance: 1 Mile
Jockey: Campbell J M
Post Position: 6
# of horses in race: 12
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If you'd like to remove Unsold from your list of horses to watch,
go to the StableMail removal form at http://www.drf.com/stablemail/remove.html.
VOP MAIL PAGE
31-OCT-1997 18:30:10.77
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Pappy's Arazi-like move!!!!!! [3482] [3492] [3495]
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Ed/all,
First of all---Let me welcome you back to the list----hope
your vacation was restful........you are somewhat correct the horse that
ran the fastest last time out is not nessasarily the horse to
bet...........As Mr shipp
found out the hard way.........I am confident in saying we all "knew"
Pappy was going to win the race and beat the one (at least I did)...and
she had run slower in her last than the one.....she had more inate
talent than the one
that was plain to see.......with your almost daily reports on her
progress (BTW thanks a lot for the reports) one could see that Pappy was
not going to be a maiden for long....whereas the one shot her best load
in her last and couldn't get the job done.......we knew pappy hadn't
even come close to running her best race (and StILL hasn't).....she was
still good enough to bury this field.
Allan
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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:57:41 -0800
From: Ed Blachaniec
Subject: Re: Fwd: Pappy's Arazi-like move!!!!!! [3482] [3492]
To: Allan Weston
Cc: virtual-owners@vop.org
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Been told many times that....time only means something if your sitting
in jail. ED B.
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VOP MAIL PAGE
31-OCT-1997 18:28:35.37
From: IN%"louisem@future.dsc.dalsys.com"
From: louisem@future.dsc.dalsys.com
Subject: Re: EMAIL WARNING [3405] [3494]
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BBrandt wrote:
>
> The Tech guys at our home office have informed me there is a new email
> bomb on the loose. They say the heading is Join The Crew! He also
> reminded me of the Penal Greetings.. message which he claims is still
> out there.
>
> I don't know how it all works, but he took time to let me know so I will
> pass it on.
>
> Brian B
These are both hoaxes. Check out the following sites:
http://www.kumite.com/myths/
http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html
VOP MAIL PAGE
31-OCT-1997 17:55:18.62
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
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Larry/all,
That was a very good middle quater (known to sprint
handicappers as turn time) ....and she tired from that effort (26+ last
quarter) still I bet it was visially impressive.....still these were you
garden variety maidens......Lets see what happen next out Vs
winners...she ran the worse 6f winning time of the of the day....she
have to improve to step up to the next level......
Allan
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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:09:24, -0500
From: DWRE56A@prodigy.com ( LARRY M MARCUS)
Subject: Pappy's Arazi-like move!!!!!! [3482]
To: virtual-owners@vop.org
Message-id: <199710311509.KAA19516@mime4.prodigy.com>
X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae01dm04sc03
Comments: Virtual-Owners-Partnership Mailing List
Congratulations to all of Pappy's owners on her tremendous victory
(now I wish I hadn't sold my share in her - yeah, I know - coulda,
woulda, shoulda)!!!!
I stole down to Foxwoods to see her run - put her with four horses in
the first in $10 doubles, and put her over 4 horses in her race in
$20 exactas (and threw away $48 more for the superfecta - where the
hell did that 7 horse comes from??). First race went as planned, so
I was alive for the double. Now it was up to Pappy.
The only way I can describe Pappy's middle quarter was to say it was
Arazi-like - five wide on Hawthorne's hairpin turns - moving from
11th to 2nd - ON THE TURN!!! Joe's fractions bore out the
impressiveness of that move - a sub-24 middle quarter - five wide, on
the turn. Truly magnificent. No one would be kidding themself if
they had high aspirations for her in the future - with her breeding
wanting her to stretch out, it looks like she has the speed and
talent to go a long way! Congratulations to her owners - I know how
excited I am about her, so you all must be sky high.
Anyway - my consolation for selling my share was my cashing in on
both her double and exacta - Thanks, Pappy (and thanks to that 41-1
first time starter for getting up for 2nd)! Congrats to Liane and
Ray - looking forward to her next!!
Larry
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VOP MAIL PAGE
31-OCT-1997 16:44:57.97
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: BC pp's [3490]
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V's,
Anyone who wants the BC pp's in pdf format let me know and I'll email it.
BEWARE its a 1.1mg file. Its readable with adobe acrobat.
ap
VOP MAIL PAGE
31-OCT-1997 14:14:02.07
From: IN%"pat.lyons@cbis.com" "Pat Lyons"
From: pat.lyons@cbis.com
Subject: Re: Pappy's Arazi-like move!!!!!! [3482] [3485] [3487] [3489]
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Tom,
You know, I need to check my facts a little better before I throw these
posts out there. You were exactly right, Unbridled's Song broke his maiden
August 26th, 1995, and it wasn't at Belmont it was at Saratoga! Good
Grief. Sorry about that. I do remember the move he made on the turn though!
Sorry bout' the confusion.
Pat
>
>
> >The only way I can describe Pappy's middle quarter was to say it was
> >Arazi-like - five wide on Hawthorne's hairpin turns - moving from
> >11th to 2nd - ON THE TURN!!! Joe's fractions bore out the
> Not trying to drum up anything more than an observation, but when I saw
> Unbridled's Song break his maiden at Belmont last year, it was the same
> type of move on the turn going 6 furlongs. Could it be a trait of
> Unbridled's horses?
>
Hi Pat,
Interesting post. I've posted previously about the eerie resemblance
in the dosage numbers between Paparouna and Unbridled's Song, specifically:
PAPAROUNA 7-4-9-0-6 (26) DI = 1.48 CD = 0.23
U'S SONG 9-4-7-0-6 (26) DI = 1.74 CD = 0.38
I'm thrilled to hear their running styles are similar. Then again,
US made a similar move in the Derby last year on the 2nd turn that
didn't work out so well, if I recall. And that was *two* years ago
that US broke maiden, wasn't it?
Paparouna had better stay out of the Paparazzi. I want her to stay in
*front* of the cameras as long as possible! Can't wait for her first
win pic!!
Tom C.
VOP MAIL PAGE
31-OCT-1997 13:20:10.14
From: IN%"Mike_Sasso-CMS040@email.mot.com" "Mike Sasso-CMS040"
From: Mike_Sasso-CMS040@email.mot.com
Subject: Test - ignore [3488]
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testing to determine if i'm out of e-mail prison
VOP MAIL PAGE
31-OCT-1997 10:50:13.00
From: IN%"pat.lyons@cbis.com" "Pat Lyons"
From: pat.lyons@cbis.com
Subject: Re: Pappy's Arazi-like move!!!!!! [3482] [3486]
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>The only way I can describe Pappy's middle quarter was to say it was
>Arazi-like - five wide on Hawthorne's hairpin turns - moving from
>11th to 2nd - ON THE TURN!!!
>
Not trying to drum up anything more than an observation, but when I saw
Unbridled's Song break his maiden at Belmont last year, it was the same
type of move on the turn going 6 furlongs. Could it be a trait of
Unbridled's horses?
VOP MAIL PAGE
31-OCT-1997 10:37:12.68
From: IN%"herman@enteract.com" "Dale E. Herman"
From: herman@enteract.com
Subject: Paparouna [3484]
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Larry Marcus wrote:
>The only way I can describe Pappy's middle quarter was to say it was
>Arazi-like
I hope this doesn't make Paparouna a member of the Paparazzi.
Dale H.
VOP MAIL PAGE
31-OCT-1997 10:20:58.84
From: IN%"DWRE56A@prodigy.com"
From: DWRE56A@prodigy.com
Subject: Itbaya at FG [3483]
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I vote to send Itsy to the FG with Liane. Based on Cal's figures,
and her present state of mind, I think she has a good chance to do
well down there. (And I'd be an idiot to make the same mistake
twice!- I'll keep my shares in her :-))
Larry
VOP MAIL PAGE
31-OCT-1997 10:14:11.01
From: IN%"DWRE56A@prodigy.com"
From: DWRE56A@prodigy.com
Subject: Pappy's Arazi-like move!!!!!! [3482]
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Congratulations to all of Pappy's owners on her tremendous victory
(now I wish I hadn't sold my share in her - yeah, I know - coulda,
woulda, shoulda)!!!!
I stole down to Foxwoods to see her run - put her with four horses in
the first in $10 doubles, and put her over 4 horses in her race in
$20 exactas (and threw away $48 more for the superfecta - where the
hell did that 7 horse comes from??). First race went as planned, so
I was alive for the double. Now it was up to Pappy.
The only way I can describe Pappy's middle quarter was to say it was
Arazi-like - five wide on Hawthorne's hairpin turns - moving from
11th to 2nd - ON THE TURN!!! Joe's fractions bore out the
impressiveness of that move - a sub-24 middle quarter - five wide, on
the turn. Truly magnificent. No one would be kidding themself if
they had high aspirations for her in the future - with her breeding
wanting her to stretch out, it looks like she has the speed and
talent to go a long way! Congratulations to her owners - I know how
excited I am about her, so you all must be sky high.
Anyway - my consolation for selling my share was my cashing in on
both her double and exacta - Thanks, Pappy (and thanks to that 41-1
first time starter for getting up for 2nd)! Congrats to Liane and
Ray - looking forward to her next!!
Larry
VOP MAIL PAGE
31-OCT-1997 10:05:04.51
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com
Subject: Re: FG information for Itbaya [3451] [3477] [3481]
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On Oct 30, 11:48pm, Dale E. Herman wrote:
> Subject: Re: FG information for Itbaya [3451] [3477]
>
> On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, Cal Jestice wrote:
>
> I'm not as optimistic. Here's a counter-argument for the sake of
> discussion.
>
> Itbaya was running just as well this time last year - two 2nds and a 3rd
> in 18K-20K races in her last three turf races in Illinois. From December
> through March 15 last year at FG she drew into only five races. The
> claiming races always filled with twelve horses and sometimes she didn't
> draw in. She only hit the board with a 3rd in one 25K race. One of those
> five races was taken off the turf and she finished 4th out of five horses
> in the slop.
OK, this year she has more wins than last year.
She'll also have two jockies that have ridden her in the
past so we won't have Randy Romero taking her 15 lengths
off the pace again or Kerwin trying to duel for the lead.
>
> She was 3rd by a head once on the turf there. In three other turf races
> she was beaten by 7, 5.5, and 14.25 lengths.
>
> Itbaya at FG turf: 4 - 0 - 0 - 1 (three 25K and one 30K)
And had she been 18 inches faster in one race, the
record would have been 4 -1-0-0 plus an extra $10K in earnings
which pays for the FG trip plus most of the year's training.
>
> Beyers - Schmeyers, that ain't good. I don't think Itbaya is any faster
> this year, nor do I see any reason to believe that Itbaya will get more
> than four turf races at FG.
I don't care if she's faster. I want her to be as
good as last year, not better. I think four races is reasonable.
As a matter of fact, I think we can make some money if Itbaya
gets three good shots at the 25K races.
Cal
VOP MAIL PAGE
31-OCT-1997 10:03:41.93
From: IN%"herman@enteract.com" "Dale E. Herman"
From: herman@enteract.com
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: FG information for Itbaya [3451] [3477] [3478] [3480]
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On Fri, 31 Oct 1997, Allan Weston wrote:
> Dale/all,
> Lets examine Itsy races for this year:
Allan,
That was a pretty good wrap up of Itbaya's last year. You could apply it
to the previous year. Or any other VOP horse. Or any other horse.
The racing secratary will always write races at the wrong level.
The racing secretary will always write races at the wrong distance.
The best jock for the horse will: - taken another ride.
- get hurt.
- do something stupid.
It will rain and races will come off the turf.
Your horse will get: - stuck in traffic.
- bumped at the start.
- any of a million equine health problems.
See ( I forget the author) the "Curse of Unsold" post from a couple months
ago for more examples. That's what I've learned in three years of
thoroughbred ownership. It's a tough game. To have a chance for a little
fun, a horse has to be put at a track where there are A LOT of races
written AT HER LEVEL. With a pure turfer like Itbaya, that's tough. FG
writes only a few filly and mare turf races, and they are a level too high
for Itbaya to win consistently.
I may vote to send Itbaya to FG cause I'm a sucker for "the action". And
I can't think of anything better that the partnership will go for. And I
really like Itbaya. But I won't expect a win. Most likely $2,000 X Nov,
Dec, Jan, Feb, Mar + shipping expenses with a couple 3rds to show for it
from four to five races.
Dale H.
VOP MAIL PAGE
31-OCT-1997 08:16:23.30
From: IN%"drew@ctnet.com" "Drew"
From: drew@ctnet.com
Subject: VOPster WWW tool kit [3479]
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V's,
I'm in the process of assembling a list of WWW resources that
VOPsters would find useful for VOP-related activities. You'll
find my current list attached below.
I'm inviting everyone to send me the URLs of their favorite
sites. I'll compile a new list and send it out. I'll also put
up a Web page eventually.
If you have something to contribute, just send me the title
and URL (and an optional brief description). It's probably
best to send those directly to me to avoid cluttering the list.
Also, I won't be including every single horse racing related
site, only the ones that a VOPster would find useful in his
or her capacity as a VOPster. (Example: we might all enjoy
the Blood Horse web site, but there's nothing specifically
VOPish about it.) True, some of my links are somewhat far
afield, but
----------
VOP Home Page
http://www.vop.org
BRIS Virtual Tote Board - monitor current odds from tracks
that are running right now. Also, get results from races as
they become official.
http://www.bristnet.com
- click on SuperTote RealTime Odds
Daily Racing Form Entries/Results - get entries and results
for every major track
http://www.drf.com:80/handicapping/handicapping.html
DRF Stablemail - sign up for email notification when a
particular horse runs.
http://www.drf.com/stablemail/index.html
Mining Company Horse Racing - a guide to the best racing
stuff on the 'Net, moderated by ex-VOPster Cindy Pierson
http://horseracing.miningco.com
Weather Forecasts - check the weather to predict track
conditions
http://www.weather.com
Weather forecast closest to Hawthorne/Sportsmans:
http://www.weather.com/weather/us/cities/IL_Chicago-Midway.html
Hawthorne Race Course Home Page
http://www.hawthorneracecourse.com
Sportsman's Park
http://www.sportsmanspark.com
Fair Grounds Race Track
http://www.fgno.com
Arlington International Race Course
http://www.arlington-intl.com
VOP MAIL PAGE
31-OCT-1997 04:15:28.75
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: Re: FG information for Itbaya [3451] [3477] [3478]
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Dale/all,
Lets examine Itsy races for this year:
1. Jan ?fg ---5.5 25k claims---too short for Itsy she starts 11th or
12th and clunks up for 5th
beaten by a class turfer in Waterford Wench
2. Feb 1fg ---7.5 25k claims---just missed in a good off the pace effort
3. Feb 24fg --8.0dirt nw3---The stuck horse race
indescion by the FG racing dept and our trainer causes us to get stuck
raced tooth and nail against class horse time to time before BADLY
fading
4. Mar 15fg --8.0 25k claims---with Romero hurt we call on Clark....who
foolishly races her near the lead which causes a fade at the end
5. Jun 29ap --8.5 nw3-after an aborted 25k claims off the turfer where
she properly scratches she clunks up to 5th against two class turfers
Trudy did it and swing to the beat
6. Jul 6ap ---8.0 25k claims---wheeled back on 6 days rest Itsy has her
most disappionting race of the season as she clunks up to 5th after
being held back during the early running by young rider Campbell
7. Jul 28ap--8.0 nw3---foolishly raced up ner the lead causes a fade
against some good turfers
8. Aug 9ap--8.5 16k starters--clunked up to 4th and almost 3rd against
class turfer La tour Jete
9. Aug 25ap--8.5 25k claims--nice off the pace effort takes lead in
strech only to get passed by class turfer Dress Shoes
10. Sep 11ap--8.5 16k claims--Off the pace against Lone speed misses in
a photo for second
11. Oct 8ap--8.0 16k claims--off the pace win
12. oct 22haw--8.0 14k claims--encounters traffic problems on hard turf
course and clunks up for third
Allan
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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:48:00 -0600 (CST)
From: "Dale E. Herman"
Subject: Re: FG information for Itbaya [3451] [3477]
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Comments: Virtual-Owners-Partnership Mailing List
On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, Cal Jestice wrote:
> After a few days of serious thought and research, my
> recommendation for Itbaya would be to continue racing her
> through 1998, starting at the Fair Grounds this winter. I looked
> up all filly turf races run last year and recorded the BSF's for
> the first three finishers, plus the purses. A table at the end of
> this post shows all the information.
>
> With Itbaya's average BSF of around 80, she would
> have hit the board in every 25K claimer at the Fair Grounds
> with the exception of one. That race was the one where Itbaya
> did run and lost the three way photo. Her best BSF this year
> would win each of the 25K claimers, a couple of the allowance
> and put her on the board in each filly FG turf race.
>
I'm not as optimistic. Here's a counter-argument for the sake of
discussion.
Itbaya was running just as well this time last year - two 2nds and a 3rd
in 18K-20K races in her last three turf races in Illinois. From December
through March 15 last year at FG she drew into only five races. The
claiming races always filled with twelve horses and sometimes she didn't
draw in. She only hit the board with a 3rd in one 25K race. One of those
five races was taken off the turf and she finished 4th out of five horses
in the slop.
She was 3rd by a head once on the turf there. In three other turf races
she was beaten by 7, 5.5, and 14.25 lengths.
Itbaya at FG turf: 4 - 0 - 0 - 1 (three 25K and one 30K)
Beyers - Schmeyers, that ain't good. I don't think Itbaya is any faster
this year, nor do I see any reason to believe that Itbaya will get more
than four turf races at FG.
> Itbaya is healthy and running well and I don't think
> that kind of horse should be weeded out of our stable.
I can't argue with that statement, but I think FG will likely be a waste
of time and money. Any other track for winter and spring requires a
trainer change, so I don't think that's going to happen.
I'm stuck in a Catch-22.
Itbaya is a cool horse. I'd love to keep racing her. But I don't relish
the thought of writing cash call checks for 9.35% of $2,000/month when the
only payback is probably a 3rd place finish close enough to put her in
someone else's win photo. That's not fun.
If we won't put her at a track where she can compete to WIN, with more
than one chance per month to race, maybe we SHOULD sell her to someone who
will. Or put her on the farm until summer. Or someone convince me that
Itbaya is faster this year. One win at 25K at FG with an $18,500 purse
would about pay for the trip.
Grumpy Ol' Dale H.
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31-OCT-1997 00:51:21.65
From: IN%"herman@enteract.com" "Dale E. Herman"
From: herman@enteract.com
Subject: Re: FG information for Itbaya [3451] [3477]
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On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, Cal Jestice wrote:
> After a few days of serious thought and research, my
> recommendation for Itbaya would be to continue racing her
> through 1998, starting at the Fair Grounds this winter. I looked
> up all filly turf races run last year and recorded the BSF's for
> the first three finishers, plus the purses. A table at the end of
> this post shows all the information.
>
> With Itbaya's average BSF of around 80, she would
> have hit the board in every 25K claimer at the Fair Grounds
> with the exception of one. That race was the one where Itbaya
> did run and lost the three way photo. Her best BSF this year
> would win each of the 25K claimers, a couple of the allowance
> and put her on the board in each filly FG turf race.
>
I'm not as optimistic. Here's a counter-argument for the sake of
discussion.
Itbaya was running just as well this time last year - two 2nds and a 3rd
in 18K-20K races in her last three turf races in Illinois. From December
through March 15 last year at FG she drew into only five races. The
claiming races always filled with twelve horses and sometimes she didn't
draw in. She only hit the board with a 3rd in one 25K race. One of those
five races was taken off the turf and she finished 4th out of five horses
in the slop.
She was 3rd by a head once on the turf there. In three other turf races
she was beaten by 7, 5.5, and 14.25 lengths.
Itbaya at FG turf: 4 - 0 - 0 - 1 (three 25K and one 30K)
Beyers - Schmeyers, that ain't good. I don't think Itbaya is any faster
this year, nor do I see any reason to believe that Itbaya will get more
than four turf races at FG.
> Itbaya is healthy and running well and I don't think
> that kind of horse should be weeded out of our stable.
I can't argue with that statement, but I think FG will likely be a waste
of time and money. Any other track for winter and spring requires a
trainer change, so I don't think that's going to happen.
I'm stuck in a Catch-22.
Itbaya is a cool horse. I'd love to keep racing her. But I don't relish
the thought of writing cash call checks for 9.35% of $2,000/month when the
only payback is probably a 3rd place finish close enough to put her in
someone else's win photo. That's not fun.
If we won't put her at a track where she can compete to WIN, with more
than one chance per month to race, maybe we SHOULD sell her to someone who
will. Or put her on the farm until summer. Or someone convince me that
Itbaya is faster this year. One win at 25K at FG with an $18,500 purse
would about pay for the trip.
Grumpy Ol' Dale H.
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30-OCT-1997 22:20:38.89
From: IN%"BobProc@aol.com"
From: BobProc@aol.com
Subject: Re: Paparouna milestone [3475] [3476]
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Congrats on #20, TB and thanks for all the support. I'm getting win photo
#1, and counting.
Bob P. ;-)
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30-OCT-1997 22:13:04.18
From: IN%"tlbjork@ais.net" "Terry Bjork"
From: tlbjork@ais.net
Subject: Paparouna milestone [3475]
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Just as a FYI - Paparouna's win photo will be #20 in my win photo album!
Can't wait to pick it up on Saturday, and here's hoping for all you
Paparouna owners for whom it'll be the first, #20 will come for you
even faster than it did for me! And believe me, that photo will be
on the VOP page about 4:00 pm on Saturday!
Terry, still psyched about this one (the 2yo plan having been mine ;-) )
VOP MAIL PAGE
30-OCT-1997 19:29:53.80
From: IN%"BobProc@aol.com" "BobProc"
From: BobProc@aol.com
Subject: Re: WOW! [3448] [3454] [3471]
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Joe,
Please put me down for a copy of the video ONLY! ;-). After mucking her
stall, Pancho can do whatever he usually does with the "produce". Anthony P.,
please please please get me one of her shoes to hang over her win photo.
Thanks much!
Still flying,
Bob P.
VOP MAIL PAGE
30-OCT-1997 17:20:23.62
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: Its in the barrel [3470]
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V's,
In another unrelated note:
phase 3 in the wine making process is over. Its in the barrel for aging.
It will be ready in 6 mo but I'll wait til VOPalooza 98. Its a red pappion 97.
It tastes good!
ap
VOP MAIL PAGE
30-OCT-1997 16:59:12.07
From: IN%"ChgNick@aol.com"
From: ChgNick@aol.com
Subject: Full results and comments from Pappy's race via Equibase [3469]
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I've attached the full results and comments from Pappy's race. You have to
read the comments to get an idea of just how well she ran yesterday.
Nick Urso
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Hawthorne Race Course - October 29th, 1997 - Race 2
=0D
Maiden Special Weight - For Thoroughbred Two Year Old Fillies Six Furlong=
s on the Dirt
Purse: $17,500 Reverts: $9,555
Includes/Plusses: $9,555 (Other sources) =
Value of Race: $17,500 1st $10,500, 2nd $3,500, 3rd $1,925, 4th $1,050, =
5th $525
Off at: 1:26 Start: Good for all but 2 =
Track: Fast Weather: Clear
=0D
Pgm Horse Name (Jockey) Wgt Med/Eq PP SP 1/4 1/=
2 Stretch Finish Odds
--- --------------------------------- --- ------ -- --- -------- ----=
---- -------- --------- --------
4 Paparouna (Sibille, R.) 120 L 4 10 10-3 6-1=
/2 3-Head 1-1 4.90 =
2 Penny for Thoughts (Laviolette, S 120 2 12 12 12 =
6-2 2-3/4 41.40 =
11 Alaskan Tuner (Emigh, C.) 120 L 11 6 8-1 4-1=
/2 4-1 3-Neck 11.50 =
7 Cajun Moon (Razo Jr, E.) 120 L 7 3 3-1/2 3-1=
2-1/2 4-3/4 9.80 =
9 Cyndi's Glitter (Silva, C.) 120 9 2 2-1 2-1=
1/2 1-Head 5-1 1/4 33.50 =
12 Royal Doris (Schaefer, G.A.) 120 b 12 11 11-4 11-2=
8-1/2 6-2 1/2 35.40 =
1 You Devil (Fires, E.) 120 L b 1 1 1-1 1/2 1-1=
/2 5-2 7-1 0.70*
8 Nothin'S E Z (Marquez, A.) 120 f 8 5 6-Head 8-2=
7-Head 8-Head 39.20 =
5 Chandi Rani (Lasala, J.) 120 5 8 7-Head 10-1=
1/2 9-5 9-13 1/2 41.70 =
6 Secret Goodbye (Meier, R.) 120 L b 6 4 4-Head 7-H=
ead 10-2 10-1 1/2 6.40 =
10 Born to Be Wild (Baird, E.T.) 120 L b 10 7 5-1 1/2 5-1=
/2 11-1 11-1 115.50 =
3 Muscles Malone (Sorrows Jr, A.) 120 L bf 3 9 9-1 9-1=
12 12 93.10 =
=0D
Winner : Paparouna - Bay Filly, 1995 =
Pedigree: Unbridled - Laurasia, by Pancho Villa
Breeder : Dion A. Recachina in KY =
=0D
Fractional Times: 22.30 46.51 59.68 1:13.31
=0D
Pgm Horse Name Win Place Show
--- ---------- --- ----- ----
#4 Paparouna 11.80 6.20 4.20 =
#2 Penny for Thoughts 29.60 14.20 =
#11 Alaskan Tuner 8.40 =
=0D
Wager Type Winning Numbers Payoff Pool Carry=
over
Daily Double 5-4 75.80 47,323.00
Exacta 4-2 306.40 71,920.00
Superfecta 4-2-11-7 10676.20 9,964.00
=0D
#4 Paparouna: steady advance, wore down rivals, driving, 5 wide
#2 Penny for Thoughts: off slowly, lugged in, wide early, closed with a=
rush, 6 wide
#11 Alaskan Tuner: quick move, drew even, stretch, between horses, weake=
ned
#7 Cajun Moon: never far back, drew even, stretch, between horses
#9 Cyndi's Glitter: never far back, late lead inside
#12 Royal Doris: void early speed, 8 wide stretch, no rally
#1 You Devil: set pace, faltered, inside
#8 Nothin'S E Z: evenly, no rally
#5 Chandi Rani: through early, failed to menace
#6 Secret Goodbye: brief foot, gave way
#10 Born to Be Wild: second flight backstretch, empty
#3 Muscles Malone: through early, outrun
=0D
Owners: 4--Virtual Owners Partnership (Cal Jestice, et al.); 2--Kenneth R=
=2E Keene; 11--Arthur I. Weiss; =
7--R. Zaloudek, A. Henderson & Emerald Ridge Farm (Christi; =
9--Orumila Farm Corporation (David & Aida Rodriguez; 12--David Ne=
iman; 1--Barry Shipp & Joseph Aramanda; =
8--Estate of Hoss Inman (Virginia Inman); 5--Kissoon Thoroughbred=
s, et al. (Deon Kissoon, Et Al.); =
6--Craigwood Stable (Robert & Brenda Craig); 10--John Leung & Jo=
hn Glasshof; =
3--Darwin Olson & Steve Kampa
=0D
Trainers: 4-Liane P. Davis, 2-Diane Chadwick, 11-Thomas F. Tomillo, 7-Chr=
istine K. Janks, 9-Moises R. Yanez, =
12-Scott S. Holas, 1-Gene A. Cilio, 8-Charlie Livesay, 5-Bernel=
l B. Rhone, 6-James R. McMullen, =
10-Joseph E. Kasperski Jr., 3-Jeanne P. Fedor=
--Boundary_[ID_8EgKjI30RCzozgrodNovKQ]--
VOP MAIL PAGE
30-OCT-1997 13:48:09.92
From: IN%"ploopo@lamar.colostate.edu" "Paul Loopo"
From: ploopo@lamar.colostate.edu
Subject: RE: FG information for Itbaya [3467]
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Hi Partners,
Although this is one of those very rare instances where I don't see eye-to-eye with
Terry, I say:
- Itsy seems to continue fit and ready to run
- Her current form should be competitive at FG
- Send her to FG --- PROVIDED THAT LIANE ACTUALLY GOES
I don't want out so I hope that the partners agree.
Sincerely,
Paul
VOP MAIL PAGE
30-OCT-1997 13:19:40.22
From: IN%"Sally_Jestice-CSJ007@email.mot.com" "Sally Jestice-CSJ007"
From: Sally_Jestice-CSJ007@email.mot.com
Subject: Pappy win pictures [3466]
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Paparouna owners -
Cal has ordered the winners circle pictures and will be picking them up on
Saturday. We'll get them ready to mail out first thing Monday. If any one is
going to pick up their picture at Hawthone before Saturday afternoon or
wants to pick it up later, please let Cal know. Also, if anyone ways an
extra (Cal always got one for home and one for work until the pile of
pictures at work got too big to manage) just let Cal know - he appreciates
any opportunity to tell me "but I _have_ to go to the track today" and leave
me home with Brian and the Barney tapes!
Sally
VOP MAIL PAGE
30-OCT-1997 12:06:34.52
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com
Subject: Re: Pappy [3464] [3465]
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On Oct 30, 11:50am, ChgNick@aol.com wrote:
> Subject: Pappy [3464]
> What a great feeling!! As this is my first partnership and first horse, to
> get a win on her second race, I could not ask for anything better. As
> everyone says, there's no feeling like watching your horse cross the finish
> line in front. Thanks to Cal for putting the partnership together and Liane
> and the gang for getting Pappy ready.
>
> On a side note, I haven't been to the stables at sportsmans yet. Can someone
> inform me on were the stabels are and what barn we are in?
Liane is stabled in barn B at Sportsmans. Park in
the lots across Laramie Ave. As soon as you go through the
gates and sign in, Liane's barn will be right in front of
you. She's in the NW corner of the barn.
Cal
>
>
> Way to go Pappy,
>
> Nick Urso
>-- End of excerpt from ChgNick@aol.com
VOP MAIL PAGE
30-OCT-1997 11:53:33.81
From: IN%"ChgNick@aol.com"
From: ChgNick@aol.com
Subject: Pappy [3464]
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What a great feeling!! As this is my first partnership and first horse, to
get a win on her second race, I could not ask for anything better. As
everyone says, there's no feeling like watching your horse cross the finish
line in front. Thanks to Cal for putting the partnership together and Liane
and the gang for getting Pappy ready.
On a side note, I haven't been to the stables at sportsmans yet. Can someone
inform me on were the stabels are and what barn we are in?
Way to go Pappy,
Nick Urso
VOP MAIL PAGE
30-OCT-1997 11:34:39.84
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com
Subject: Paparouna Pictures [3463]
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Y'all,
I'll be going to Hawthorne on Saturday to
pick up the Paparouna pictures. They should be
mailed out on Monday. If anyone wants to get their
copy at the track, let me know and I'll leave it.
If anyone wants an extra copy, please let
me know and I'll order them. Cost of the picture
is $17.
Cal
VOP MAIL PAGE
30-OCT-1997 10:20:29.12
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: RE: It's Over !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [3445] [3455] [3462]
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Ca,,
I agree with Joe. At least one race this year assuming she fine out of this
race.
ap
At 08:03 AM 10/30/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Cal,
>Yes, Pappy has been in training for a long period of time and she will
>need a brief rest prior to her three year campaign. However, I hate to
>put her on the shelf when we still don't know how good a horse she is.
>Granted she is a two year old and a horse's two year old campaign is not
>necessary the true gauge of how a horse will compete in their later
>years, I still wouldn't mind seeing her race one more time before we
>give her a rest. It looked like she still had a lot left after the race
>(Liane will know better day) and it didn't look like she was going all
>out. A race with a clean break, against winners, could give us a decent
>idea of her level of competitiveness. If we raced her one more time in
>late November, we could rest her for five or six weeks, ship her to the
>Fairgrounds and get her in shape down there and she would be ready to
>run in early March. We would also have a gauge as to the level to run
>her at at the Fair Grounds. If she is a potential stakes horse, Liane
>will need to put a different plan together than if she a allowance or
>high claimer level horse.
>
>I hate seeing a fit horse put up when they are making progress,
>especially a young horse. But, it's always better to do it sooner than
>later.
>
>Again, I am not a trainer, just my opinion. I am very impressed with
>Pappy. By showing she can come from way off the pace she shows signs
>that she may have the flexibility to lead, rate or close. This is great
>because, barring a bad break, she should always be in the race, whether
>it's a fast pace, slow pace, coming out of the 1 or the 12 hole. If we
>can just get her out of the gate with a decent break, we will greatly
>improve her chances. Anyway, enough rambling. I'm sure Liane will have
>the ulimate decision, but I wanted to throw out my opinion.
>Joe P
>
>
>>Cal wrote:
>> There are no plans for Paparouna. Liane is going to
>>wait to see how she comes off the race, but we need to keep
>>in mind that she's been in training for almost a full year and
>>will need a break. I don't want to dampen anyone's hopes,
>>but don't be surprised if Liane wants to give Paparouan a
>>month or so off and come back at the Fair Grounds. Anyhow,
>>it's too early to tell so let's hope she comes off the race sound.
>>
>>Cal
>>
>>Footnotes:
>>
>>1. Via evolution, the default meeting place for VOPsters at
>>the track is the bar closest to the finish line. We don't stand
>>there, but will wander by looking for other partners. If you're
>>ever in for a race and we don't have a meeting place picked
>>out, you know where to wait.
>>
>>2. Once or twice a year, I feel confident about a race and bet
>>enthusiastically (still lower than Steve Lewis amounts). I've
>>been right most of the times and as the horse moves
>>out of the turn, I get a bit loud and arrogant. It involves my
>>moving from the grandstand to the winners circle telling
>>everyone nearby about the certainty of the finish of the race.
>>My wife is trying to break me of this habit.
>>
>>
>
>
VOP MAIL PAGE
30-OCT-1997 10:19:39.81
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com
Subject: BC Pick 6 [3461]
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Y'all,
I've received a little over $1,000 so far
for the pick 6. On Saturday, I'm going to post a
list of all money received so far. I've you've sent
a check and don't see your name on the list, please
contact me. I'm estimating we'll collect around
$1,500.
For those wanting to get started on the BC,
the DRF's BC preview edition went on sale today. It
has a one page overview of each race, plus the PP's
of all potential starters in each race.
Cal
VOP MAIL PAGE
30-OCT-1997 10:17:29.06
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com
Subject: Re: FG information for Itbaya [3451] [3457] [3460]
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On Oct 30, 8:44am, mikep@ameritech.net wrote:
> Subject: Re: FG information for Itbaya [3451] [3457]
> Cal,
>
> Can't shares in Itbaya be offered for sale per our own web page.
> (by those owners interested in selling)
> There are many new partners waiting and maybe other interest by existing
> partners.
>
Yes, that can be done. I was just making sure
the folks that wanted out before the end of the year had
an option to do so at an established price. They are
free to sell or keep their shares as they wish.
Cal
> ap
>
>
>
>
>
> At 12:16 PM 10/30/97 +0000, you wrote:
> >Y'all,
> >
> > After a few days of serious thought and research, my
> >recommendation for Itbaya would be to continue racing her
> >through 1998, starting at the Fair Grounds this winter. I looked
> >up all filly turf races run last year and recorded the BSF's for
> >the first three finishers, plus the purses. A table at the end of
> >this post shows all the information.
> >
> > With Itbaya's average BSF of around 80, she would
> >have hit the board in every 25K claimer at the Fair Grounds
> >with the exception of one. That race was the one where Itbaya
> >did run and lost the three way photo. Her best BSF this year
> >would win each of the 25K claimers, a couple of the allowance
> >and put her on the board in each filly FG turf race.
> >
> > Itbaya is healthy and running well and I don't think
> >that kind of horse should be weeded out of our stable. She's
> >proven she can handle the FG turf course and we'll have both
> >Randy Romero and Mark Guidry there to ride her. Itbaya has
> >only been in training for about six months, so she should be
> >good to go for another four or five more. She's at the top of
> >her game and the purses at the FG are very nice.
> >
> > I'd like to take a vote in the near future in this. So,
> >all Itbaya partners put some thought into this.
> >
> > I understand that some partners wish to end their
> >involvement with VOP after being in for over 2 years. I'm
> >exceptaionally grateful for their participation and will offer
> >to buy their shares. I'll set the price at $8,000. This was
> >the offer for Itbaya from Kate Mills last year and it was more
> >than she was appraised for as a brood mare and more than
> >we're likely to get now.
> >
> >Cal
> >
> >=================================
> >
> > Date Level Dist Win Place Show Purse Win Place
Show
> >11/28/96 AW 8.0 85 85 83 $28,000 $16,800 $5,600
> >$3,080
> >12/22/96 N3X 8.5 86 84 79 $25,000 $15,000 $5,000
> >$2,750
> > 1/18/97 25K 5.5 83 80 76 $18,400 $11,040 $3,680
> >$2,024
> > 2/1/97 25K 7.5 80 80 80 $20,300 $12,180 $4,060
> >$2,233
> > 2/1/97 25K 7.5 81 81 81 $20,300 $12,180 $4,060
> >$2,233
> > 2/3/97 N4X 8.0 91 81 77 $30,500 $18,300 $6,100
> >$3,355
> > 2/9/97 30K 8.0 84 83 80 $21,000 $12,600 $4,200
> >$2,310
> > 2/20/97 AW 5.5 92 88 78 $36,000 $21,600 $7,200
> >$3,960
> > 3/6/97 AW 5.5 87 85 83 $36,000 $21,600 $7,200
> >$3,960
> > 3/6/97 40K 7.5 92 88 85 $24,300 $14,580 $4,860
> >$2,673
> > 3/8/97 Stk150 9.0 102 84 83 $150,000 $90,000 $30,000
> >$16,500
> > 3/15/97 25K 8.0 84 76 76 $24,400 $14,640 $4,880
> >$2,684
> > 3/16/97 N3X 8.0 84 84 80 $34,000 $20,400 $6,800
> >$3,740
> > 3/17/97 AW 8.5 84 83 79 $36,000 $21,600 $7,200
> >$3,960
> > 3/22/97 25K 5.5 83 81 77 $26,400 $15,840 $5,280
> >$2,904
> >
> >
>-- End of excerpt from mikep@ameritech.net
VOP MAIL PAGE
30-OCT-1997 10:16:52.02
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: RE: WOW! [3448] [3454] [3459]
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At 07:39 AM 10/30/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Bob,
>Maybe Pancho, after he shovels out Pappy's stall, he can send you a bag
>of...,ah.., NEVERMIND. Congrats to all Pappy's partners, especially the
>newbees.
Don't knock it. It's excellent fertilizer.
If you want I can try to tell pancho to save her shoes.
ap
>Joe P
>
>>----------
>>From: BobProc@aol.com[SMTP:BobProc@aol.com]
>>Sent: Thursday, October 30, 1997 5:10 AM
>>To: virtual-owners@vop.org
>>Subject: WOW! [3448]
>>
>>Partners,
>>
>>When I joined VOP in April, both Terry B. and Joe P. welcomed me by saying
>>"you won't believe the feeling when your horse wins". Well, what I"m
feeling
>>today was wonderful... I'm still on a high that no chemical could ever
>>produce, and i really CAN'T believe it. Thank you Cal, Liane, Herschell,
>>Pancho, Paparouna, and partners! Wheeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!! Send me the photo,
>>the video, one of her shoes and whatever else you got to make this last! And
>>let's do this again sometime!
>>
>> Ecstatic,
>> Bob P. 8-)
>>
>
>
VOP MAIL PAGE
30-OCT-1997 09:49:55.05
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: Re: FG information for Itbaya [3451] [3457]
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Cal,
Can't shares in Itbaya be offered for sale per our own web page.
(by those owners interested in selling)
There are many new partners waiting and maybe other interest by existing
partners.
ap
At 12:16 PM 10/30/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Y'all,
>
> After a few days of serious thought and research, my
>recommendation for Itbaya would be to continue racing her
>through 1998, starting at the Fair Grounds this winter. I looked
>up all filly turf races run last year and recorded the BSF's for
>the first three finishers, plus the purses. A table at the end of
>this post shows all the information.
>
> With Itbaya's average BSF of around 80, she would
>have hit the board in every 25K claimer at the Fair Grounds
>with the exception of one. That race was the one where Itbaya
>did run and lost the three way photo. Her best BSF this year
>would win each of the 25K claimers, a couple of the allowance
>and put her on the board in each filly FG turf race.
>
> Itbaya is healthy and running well and I don't think
>that kind of horse should be weeded out of our stable. She's
>proven she can handle the FG turf course and we'll have both
>Randy Romero and Mark Guidry there to ride her. Itbaya has
>only been in training for about six months, so she should be
>good to go for another four or five more. She's at the top of
>her game and the purses at the FG are very nice.
>
> I'd like to take a vote in the near future in this. So,
>all Itbaya partners put some thought into this.
>
> I understand that some partners wish to end their
>involvement with VOP after being in for over 2 years. I'm
>exceptaionally grateful for their participation and will offer
>to buy their shares. I'll set the price at $8,000. This was
>the offer for Itbaya from Kate Mills last year and it was more
>than she was appraised for as a brood mare and more than
>we're likely to get now.
>
>Cal
>
>=================================
>
> Date Level Dist Win Place Show Purse Win Place Show
>11/28/96 AW 8.0 85 85 83 $28,000 $16,800 $5,600
>$3,080
>12/22/96 N3X 8.5 86 84 79 $25,000 $15,000 $5,000
>$2,750
> 1/18/97 25K 5.5 83 80 76 $18,400 $11,040 $3,680
>$2,024
> 2/1/97 25K 7.5 80 80 80 $20,300 $12,180 $4,060
>$2,233
> 2/1/97 25K 7.5 81 81 81 $20,300 $12,180 $4,060
>$2,233
> 2/3/97 N4X 8.0 91 81 77 $30,500 $18,300 $6,100
>$3,355
> 2/9/97 30K 8.0 84 83 80 $21,000 $12,600 $4,200
>$2,310
> 2/20/97 AW 5.5 92 88 78 $36,000 $21,600 $7,200
>$3,960
> 3/6/97 AW 5.5 87 85 83 $36,000 $21,600 $7,200
>$3,960
> 3/6/97 40K 7.5 92 88 85 $24,300 $14,580 $4,860
>$2,673
> 3/8/97 Stk150 9.0 102 84 83 $150,000 $90,000 $30,000
>$16,500
> 3/15/97 25K 8.0 84 76 76 $24,400 $14,640 $4,880
>$2,684
> 3/16/97 N3X 8.0 84 84 80 $34,000 $20,400 $6,800
>$3,740
> 3/17/97 AW 8.5 84 83 79 $36,000 $21,600 $7,200
>$3,960
> 3/22/97 25K 5.5 83 81 77 $26,400 $15,840 $5,280
>$2,904
>
>
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30-OCT-1997 09:40:52.95
From: IN%"joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com" "Pacheco, Joe"
From: joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com
Subject: Fractions for Pappys [3456]
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Y'all,
I computed some rough fractions for Pappy during her race. They are as
follows:
23.70 1/4 (10th, 7 lengths back, 22.30 fraction)
47.11 1/2 (6th, 3 lengths back, 46.51 fraction)
59.88 Stretch (3rd, head (computed as a length), 59.68 fraction)
1:13.31 finish (1st)
She did the final 2 furlongs in 26.2. I'll be relying on Al, or one of
your other handicappers, to figure her speed rating.
Cheers!
Joe P
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30-OCT-1997 08:47:18.28
From: IN%"drew@ctnet.com" "Drew"
From: drew@ctnet.com
Subject: Re: FG information for Itbaya [3451] [3453]
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>my
>recommendation for Itbaya would be to continue racing her
>through 1998, starting at the Fair Grounds this winter.
It seems like a win or place finish or a pair of show
finishes would pay for the trip to FG, and Cal has pro-
vided evidence that Itsy can pull this off. So it sounds
like racing, at least through the FG meet, is a good
idea.
That goes through the end of March. At that point, a
month or two off would be in order, and by the time
she was back in training and ready to race, the turf
course at Hawthorne should be open.
Not a bad plan. Of course, if she stinks up the joint
at FG, we can abort the rest of the plan and sell her,
either in New Orleans or back in Chicago.
===============================================================
For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Drew Ivan drew@ctnet.com
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30-OCT-1997 08:01:04.86
From: IN%"StLMo@aol.com"
From: StLMo@aol.com
Subject: Pappy's Win [3452]
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CONGRATULATIONS Pappy partners!!
Stopped in at the ole OTB parlor to put a few bob on Pappy's nose. I thought
almost 5-1 was a generous price considering she was the second choice. Could
not believe the public bet the favorite down to even money.
Anyway, Pappy didn't have the greatest start. She broke a little hesitantly,
probably because the three horse veered at the start. Fortuntately, she did
not bother Pappy too much. Pappy raced in 10th position for awhile and then
made a bold move on the far turn. She was in contention at the top of the
stretch but still in mid-pack and VERY wide. Ray gave her a couple of cracks
of the whip and she continued to close slowly. Finally, three quarters of
the way down the stretch she took command. I think Ray smacked her one more
time just to keep her mind on business and then he just showed her the whip.
I didn't feel she was all out at the wire. I thought it was an impressive
win.
Again, congrats to the Pappy team.
Steve Moses
VOP MAIL PAGE
30-OCT-1997 07:22:23.18
From: IN%"Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com" "Cal Jestice"
From: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com
Subject: FG information for Itbaya [3451]
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Y'all,
After a few days of serious thought and research, my
recommendation for Itbaya would be to continue racing her
through 1998, starting at the Fair Grounds this winter. I looked
up all filly turf races run last year and recorded the BSF's for
the first three finishers, plus the purses. A table at the end of
this post shows all the information.
With Itbaya's average BSF of around 80, she would
have hit the board in every 25K claimer at the Fair Grounds
with the exception of one. That race was the one where Itbaya
did run and lost the three way photo. Her best BSF this year
would win each of the 25K claimers, a couple of the allowance
and put her on the board in each filly FG turf race.
Itbaya is healthy and running well and I don't think
that kind of horse should be weeded out of our stable. She's
proven she can handle the FG turf course and we'll have both
Randy Romero and Mark Guidry there to ride her. Itbaya has
only been in training for about six months, so she should be
good to go for another four or five more. She's at the top of
her game and the purses at the FG are very nice.
I'd like to take a vote in the near future in this. So,
all Itbaya partners put some thought into this.
I understand that some partners wish to end their
involvement with VOP after being in for over 2 years. I'm
exceptaionally grateful for their participation and will offer
to buy their shares. I'll set the price at $8,000. This was
the offer for Itbaya from Kate Mills last year and it was more
than she was appraised for as a brood mare and more than
we're likely to get now.
Cal
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Date Level Dist Win Place Show Purse Win Place Show
11/28/96 AW 8.0 85 85 83 $28,000 $16,800 $5,600
$3,080
12/22/96 N3X 8.5 86 84 79 $25,000 $15,000 $5,000
$2,750
1/18/97 25K 5.5 83 80 76 $18,400 $11,040 $3,680
$2,024
2/1/97 25K 7.5 80 80 80 $20,300 $12,180 $4,060
$2,233
2/1/97 25K 7.5 81 81 81 $20,300 $12,180 $4,060
$2,233
2/3/97 N4X 8.0 91 81 77 $30,500 $18,300 $6,100
$3,355
2/9/97 30K 8.0 84 83 80 $21,000 $12,600 $4,200
$2,310
2/20/97 AW 5.5 92 88 78 $36,000 $21,600 $7,200
$3,960
3/6/97 AW 5.5 87 85 83 $36,000 $21,600 $7,200
$3,960
3/6/97 40K 7.5 92 88 85 $24,300 $14,580 $4,860
$2,673
3/8/97 Stk150 9.0 102 84 83 $150,000 $90,000 $30,000
$16,500
3/15/97 25K 8.0 84 76 76 $24,400 $14,640 $4,880
$2,684
3/16/97 N3X 8.0 84 84 80 $34,000 $20,400 $6,800
$3,740
3/17/97 AW 8.5 84 83 79 $36,000 $21,600 $7,200
$3,960
3/22/97 25K 5.5 83 81 77 $26,400 $15,840 $5,280
$2,904
VOP MAIL PAGE
30-OCT-1997 06:59:45.38
From: IN%"HORSEA2@aol.com"
From: HORSEA2@aol.com
Subject: Paparouna's win [3450]
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Hey Everybody,
Well aol has been experiencing e-mail problems so I haven't been able to get
through until this morning. Wow, Like Jame Brown Use to Sing: "I feel Good ,
Like I Knew that I would". This is so wonderful. Thank's to Liane and her
Staff. I have dreamed about this since I was old enough to know what a horse
race was and this win is everything I thought it would be and more.
Paparouna YOU GO GIRl!!!!!!!!!!
Karen
VOP MAIL PAGE
30-OCT-1997 06:59:29.47
From: IN%"HORSEA2@aol.com"
From: HORSEA2@aol.com
Subject: Paparouna's win [3449]
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Hey Everybody,
Well aol has been experiencing e-mail problems so I haven't been able to get
through until this morning. Wow, Like Jame Brown Use to Sing: "I feel Good ,
Like I Knew that I would". This is so wonderful. Thank's to Liane and her
Staff. I have dreamed about this since I was old enough to know what a horse
race was and this win is everything I thought it would be and more.
Paparouna YOU GO GIRl!!!!!!!!!!
Karen
VOP MAIL PAGE
30-OCT-1997 06:14:06.60
From: IN%"BobProc@aol.com"
From: BobProc@aol.com
Subject: WOW! [3448]
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Partners,
When I joined VOP in April, both Terry B. and Joe P. welcomed me by saying
"you won't believe the feeling when your horse wins". Well, what I"m feeling
today was wonderful... I'm still on a high that no chemical could ever
produce, and i really CAN'T believe it. Thank you Cal, Liane, Herschell,
Pancho, Paparouna, and partners! Wheeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!! Send me the photo,
the video, one of her shoes and whatever else you got to make this last! And
let's do this again sometime!
Ecstatic,
Bob P. 8-)
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 22:58:12.74
From: IN%"tlbjork@ais.net" "Terry Bjork"
From: tlbjork@ais.net
Subject: Re: THANK YOU [3446] [3447]
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At 09:49 PM 10/29/97 -0800, Ed Blachaniec wrote:
>steps to clean them out etc. Anyhow it was a wonderful day and
>experience. I am not ashame to admit I had tears in my eyes for
>experiencing an event that can not be explained to a non-horse howner.
>Congratulations partners. We have a lot to be proud of. VERY HAPPY
>TRAILS .....ED B.
Ed B. was quite a sight today. I've never seen such a happy camper.
Congrats to Ed and all the other first timers in on Paparouna.
Terry
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 22:02:37.26
From: IN%"trifectawinner@sprintmail.com"
From: trifectawinner@sprintmail.com
Subject: THANK YOU [3446]
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Michelle and I just recently returned from spending a month in Florida.
What a homecoming. We want to thank Liane, Hershell, Cal, Pancho and the
rest of the grooms and hotwalkers. Spending many mornings at AP this
summer I witnessed first hand the time, effort and hard work that is
takes to get the horses to the starting gate. An experience not easy to
forget. We watched the race today from the 3rd floor. I was reporting
the race to Michelle thru my binoculars and she was trying to relate the
happenings to her daughter on the cell phone. At the end of the race, I
don't know who was screaming louder me or her. By the time we got down
to the winners circle Paparouna was entering the area. She was coated
with mud but looked like a Million Dollars to all of us. Has drinks at
the bar afterwards (thanks Steve) and smiles could have been felt from
coast to coast. Michelle and I sat with Barry Shipp (owner of the #1
horse) and I have to tell you that he was extremely confident that his
filly was a run away winner. We went down the elevator together to
saddle the horses and wished each other good luck. Earlier his trainer
and my friend Gene Cilio came up to me and mentioned the Unbridled is
standing for $60,000 + and he was probably wondering how in the hell I'm
involved in such a high priced sire. Anyhow we went back to the barn
after the last race. Hershell was still there along with Pancho. I
noticed immediately that our Paparouna's eyes looked puffy or almost
closing and she naturally was tired. Poncho informed me that she a lot
of dirt etc. kicked into her face and eyes and he took the necessary
steps to clean them out etc. Anyhow it was a wonderful day and
experience. I am not ashame to admit I had tears in my eyes for
experiencing an event that can not be explained to a non-horse howner.
Congratulations partners. We have a lot to be proud of. VERY HAPPY
TRAILS .....ED B.
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 21:46:35.24
From: IN%"Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com" "Cal Jestice"
From: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com
Subject: It's Over !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [3445]
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Y'all,
It was an absolutely gorgeous day for racing
in Chicago with clear skies and the temperature in the
mid 50's. I was able to get out of work early enough
to get to the track 30 minutes before the first post.
Walking through the track, I met up with Terry
Bjork, Anthony Palermo and Steve Lewis. We quickly
handicapped the second race and agreed that we all
liked Paparouna's chances. The first round of beverages
were bought and we sat down to handicap the daily double.
I liked the 3,5&7 in the first race and used them vigorously,
but also bought out the first half to be safe.
While waiting for the first to go off, VOPsters,
Jeff Yelke, Bob Jungles, Nick Urso & Sean Callahan made
it in[1]. All agreed that Paparouna should do well in the second.
Watching the first race from our spot, I was rewarded to
see one of my prime DD candidates win the first. It was
looking good as another round was bought and I headed
down to the paddock for the second.
In the paddock, I found Ed Blachaniec schmoozing
the competition, but he did take time out to say hello 8^).
Paparouna came in looking calm and took a few laps around
the paddock while the other horses came in. Liane and I
talked a bit about the race. She was worried about the #1
horse. I had looked up her previous race and she quite on
an easy lead and was beaten by a 15K maiden claimer.
I was worried about some of the first time starters and used
them over Paparouna as a saver for my double. Ray came
out and was unusually quiet. I think he was feeling some
pressure after the trouble he got into in his last couple of
rides. Liane told Ray to just get the horse away from the
gate and get a clean trip. If Paparouna broke slowly, Ray
was to let her relax and make one move.
Paparouna headed out to the track and I went and
bet her under all the first time starters to back up my double.
Paparouna was very quiet and calm on the track. I was a
bit concerned, but I always prefer horses to be more docile
than aggitated. I headed up to our spot with about seven
minutes to post and Bob Jungles bought the next round.
Paparouna did not want to load into the gate. It
took several tries, but she finally went in. There were no
other bad behaviors and the race was off. Paparouna came
out a little slow, but settled nicely in 10th about eight lengths
off the lead. Heading towards the turn, Ray and Paparouna
were moving up nicely and they went wide. Paparouna made
a tremendous move five wide on the turn, passing eight horses.
About halfway through the turn, my alter-ego[2] decided that
a win was near and wanted to join the party. As Paparouna
moved into fourth, I turned to Steve Lewis and shouted, "it's
over!". Steve looked at me, blinked twice and went back to
watching the race. I gave Steve another, "it's over" and started
walking towards the winner's circle. Moving through the crowd
and telling anyone that I passed that, "it's over", I went out to
the apron and started gathering VOPsters. Ray kept a strong
handride on Paparouna down the stretch and she won by a
widening two lenghts.
Afterwards, a large crowd gathered in the winner's
circle and the photographer had to back up several steps
onto the track to get everyone in. Ray was very impressed
with Paparouna's effort and said he could have won by more
if he had used the whip. She wasn't graceful coming out of
the gate again and that probably has to do a lot with her
size. Ray said Paparouna had something left at the wire
and should do better going long. After the winner's circle,
Steve Lewis bought the next round after being wise enough
to use the first time starters under Paparouna also. Hugs
and handshakes were passed around at the bar and I gave
Liane a C-note for Pancho back at the barn.
Slowly partners begin to drift back to work and Ed
took everyone who wasn't wearing casual close up to the
turf club for another round. The rest of the day was kinda
blurry, but I cashed a few more bets and waited until I was
in some reasonable shape to drive home. I stopped by the
barn around 4:00 and Paparouna was back in her stall and
feeling happy. KLH was whinnying for attention and I stopped
by to talk a bit. His groom came by to fill KLH's water buckey
and Kristy pinned him against the wall and started licking him
on the neck and face. I've never seen a horse behave that way,
but the groom said KLH shows tremendous affection all the
time. Everyone else was getting ready for dinner at the barn,
so I made my way back to the car and headed home.
There are no plans for Paparouna. Liane is going to
wait to see how she comes off the race, but we need to keep
in mind that she's been in training for almost a full year and
will need a break. I don't want to dampen anyone's hopes,
but don't be surprised if Liane wants to give Paparouan a
month or so off and come back at the Fair Grounds. Anyhow,
it's too early to tell so let's hope she comes off the race sound.
Cal
Footnotes:
1. Via evolution, the default meeting place for VOPsters at
the track is the bar closest to the finish line. We don't stand
there, but will wander by looking for other partners. If you're
ever in for a race and we don't have a meeting place picked
out, you know where to wait.
2. Once or twice a year, I feel confident about a race and bet
enthusiastically (still lower than Steve Lewis amounts). I've
been right most of the times and as the horse moves
out of the turn, I get a bit loud and arrogant. It involves my
moving from the grandstand to the winners circle telling
everyone nearby about the certainty of the finish of the race.
My wife is trying to break me of this habit.
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 19:44:28.98
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: Re: Pappy results [3443] [3444]
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Pat,
Welcome to VOP....pick up a chair, take off your shoes and stay a
spell........your among good company......
Allan
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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:20:54 -0500
From: Pat Lyons
Subject: Re: Pappy results [3443]
To: virtual-owners@vop.org
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My sincere congrats to the Owner's of Pappy!
I am a new VOP'er, and was put on the VOP list about a week ago. So I have
been lurking here just trying to figure out how everything works
It was a little over a month ago I was monitoring, the September sale on
the Keeneland homepage and trying to figure out how I could get more
involved, and somehow I came across the VOP web sight. My favorite horse of
all-time is Unbridled. I've only gone to see the Derby once and I bet
Unbridled at 10-1, and it paid for my whole trip. When I saw Pappy, I just
had to join up! Glad that you let me in....Thanks.
Anyway, I broke away for a late lunch and went to the Oakbrook OTB. Saw the
race. It looked like a very bad start. But when I saw her picking up the
horses on the turn I new she was going to do it, Her class came to light.
Great win! Again, congrats!
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29-OCT-1997 19:32:16.20
From: IN%"pat.lyons@cbis.com" "Pat Lyons"
From: pat.lyons@cbis.com
Subject: Re: Pappy results [3443]
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My sincere congrats to the Owner's of Pappy!
I am a new VOP'er, and was put on the VOP list about a week ago. So I have
been lurking here just trying to figure out how everything works
It was a little over a month ago I was monitoring, the September sale on
the Keeneland homepage and trying to figure out how I could get more
involved, and somehow I came across the VOP web sight. My favorite horse of
all-time is Unbridled. I've only gone to see the Derby once and I bet
Unbridled at 10-1, and it paid for my whole trip. When I saw Pappy, I just
had to join up! Glad that you let me in....Thanks.
Anyway, I broke away for a late lunch and went to the Oakbrook OTB. Saw the
race. It looked like a very bad start. But when I saw her picking up the
horses on the turn I new she was going to do it, Her class came to light.
Great win! Again, congrats!
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 19:19:59.17
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: Re: Fwd: pappy [3411] [3440] [3442]
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Sorry allen, I forgot to include your copywrite tag.
Its a long walk accross the street.
ap
>AP,
> KOD is under trademark protection....when you go to work
>tomorrow.....go to the FBI offoce and turn yourself in........
>
> AW
>Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:24:50 -0600
>From: mikep@ameritech.net
>Subject: pappy [3411]
>X-Sender: mikep@mailhost.chicago.il.ameritech.net
>To: virtual-owners@vop.org
>Message-id:
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>
>V's,
>
>I'm glad not to be the favorite! its the KOD.
>
>a $20 double from the 3,4 and 7 to #4 is in order.
>
>ap
>
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 18:18:57.23
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: The pappy [3441]
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Partners,
What a geat win for Liane, VOP, and Ray (as much as I am
on him.....he deserves credit......he did make any mistakes) and of
courses........drumroll..........the owners.........I am greatly
suprised by the price I figured to get 3 -1 or so......(steve you didn't
bet enough)....I missed the exacta but I had Pappy on top so thats
enough.........I was stuck at work so I didn't see the race.......Pappy
did what she had to do to win.........congrads to Elvis and Jeff for
correctly picking the margin of victory (Elvis) and the correct winning
time (Jeff) they both win
the pappy contest.......Where Karen's post I know you are out there
lurking......I am so excited when i saw that Pappy had won I could
almost spit........I had extreme confidence in Pappy.......now onward to
bigger and better......again congrads to the owners and Liane....2 VOP
winners in three weeks...now we are talking........
Allan
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 18:02:11.25
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: pappy [3411] [3440]
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AP,
KOD is under trademark protection....when you go to work
tomorrow.....go to the FBI offoce and turn yourself in........
AW
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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:24:50 -0600
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: pappy [3411]
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V's,
I'm glad not to be the favorite! its the KOD.
a $20 double from the 3,4 and 7 to #4 is in order.
ap
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VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 17:46:43.64
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: Re: STUPID! [3421] [3437] [3439]
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AP,
I guess they are not on the list to read my comments on the
one.....
AW
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Subject: Re: STUPID! [3421] [3437]
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I wrote down my 2 $10 exacta's 4-2 and 4-11.
Guess which one I played!!!!!!!!!!
Luckily I had a straight win bet.
The owners of the 1 horse were near the winners circle gate! sorry maybe
next time.
Congrats to EVERYONE!!!!!
Someone pick out a stakes race.
ap
At 02:37 PM 10/29/97 -0600, you wrote:
>VOP:
>
>I woke up this morning with great anticipation to see Pappy run. I went
>to work early, so I could get my work done and headed out the door at
>noon. It took me an hour to drive to Prairie Meadows and I could hardly
>sit still in the car. I walked up to the door to get in to PM and I
>reached in my back pocket to get my ID to get into the track. My heart
>sank when I reached back for my wallet, cause it wasn't there. I forgot
>my ID at home and there was no way they were going to let me in. To say
>the least I was very upset with myself. Boy am I dumb.
>
>Driving home I called phonebet and they told me the results. People on
>the freeway were probably wondering what the hell I was clapping for.
>Congrats to all Pappy owners.
>
>Is it too late to supplement her for the BC Juvenile? :)
>
>Eric Dawson
>
>
>PS. Will someone be making a tape of the race, cause I need one to show
> off to all my friends that are sick of me talking about Pappy. And
> if anyone has done anything dumber than what I did today please
> post, maybe it will make me feel better. :)
>
>
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VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 17:45:30.25
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: allen where are you? [3438]
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aw,
You were so excited before the race where are you?
there was a large turnout for the event.
ap
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 17:43:28.58
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: Re: STUPID! [3421] [3437]
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I wrote down my 2 $10 exacta's 4-2 and 4-11.
Guess which one I played!!!!!!!!!!
Luckily I had a straight win bet.
The owners of the 1 horse were near the winners circle gate! sorry maybe
next time.
Congrats to EVERYONE!!!!!
Someone pick out a stakes race.
ap
At 02:37 PM 10/29/97 -0600, you wrote:
>VOP:
>
>I woke up this morning with great anticipation to see Pappy run. I went
>to work early, so I could get my work done and headed out the door at
>noon. It took me an hour to drive to Prairie Meadows and I could hardly
>sit still in the car. I walked up to the door to get in to PM and I
>reached in my back pocket to get my ID to get into the track. My heart
>sank when I reached back for my wallet, cause it wasn't there. I forgot
>my ID at home and there was no way they were going to let me in. To say
>the least I was very upset with myself. Boy am I dumb.
>
>Driving home I called phonebet and they told me the results. People on
>the freeway were probably wondering what the hell I was clapping for.
>Congrats to all Pappy owners.
>
>Is it too late to supplement her for the BC Juvenile? :)
>
>Eric Dawson
>
>
>PS. Will someone be making a tape of the race, cause I need one to show
> off to all my friends that are sick of me talking about Pappy. And
> if anyone has done anything dumber than what I did today please
> post, maybe it will make me feel better. :)
>
>
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 17:02:50.08
From: IN%"RBDN74A@prodigy.com"
From: RBDN74A@prodigy.com
Subject: Pappy [3434]
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Well done girl!!!!!!
This will make it easier to fill out the cash call for October. :)
Cal, pls pass congrats on to Liane.
Regards Joe
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 16:50:47.39
From: IN%"cnlcronin@voyager.net"
From: cnlcronin@voyager.net
Subject: Paparouna Zone [3433]
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I take it the "Paparouna Zone" page will be having a little bit of an
update... :)
Viva Papa Rouna!
LC
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 16:42:37.79
From: IN%"RJVS65A@prodigy.com"
From: RJVS65A@prodigy.com
Subject: YEEESSSSSSS!!! WHEEEEEEEE! [3432]
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Partners,
That was the best rush I've ever had and I was saving plenty of
emotion for the Indians winning the World Series. I made a complete
idiot of myself and the rummys at the track were not too pleased to
see me and Lori jump around like, well, like "we" won the race. It
was in a word, great!
She appeared to have a fair to poor break from the gate and
settled in about 6 lengths from the lead. At the far turn, it looked
like Ray got her a little outside and enough room to start gaining on
the field. She gained steadily and at the clubhouse turn, Ray looked
to be blocked from splitting any of the horses and the leaders were
already four wide. He took her around them, let here go and her
stride was long and beautiful. I thought I saw another gear from her
after she got an open lane coming out of the turn and was a champ
down the stretch.
Afterwards, she looked great trotting around the track. Before
the race, in the little I could see of her, she looked very calm.
The whole thing was a thing of beauty and she had a clean trip and
made the most of her opportunities.
Take my observations with a grain of salt because I was so
excited, I missed the fractions and the head-on replay. I, too, went
home with more in my pocket than I came with and the kids will be
treated with a Pizza Hut dinner. (I will leave the mints there...;>
)
Anyway, congrats to all and put me down for a copy of the video,
winners circle picture, commorative mugs, pennants, t-shirts, and any
other merchandise that comes out!
WHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Jim Fitz
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 16:34:14.57
From: IN%"Rich4544@concentric.net" "Richard R. Buettner"
From: Rich4544@concentric.net
Subject: Congratulations [3431]
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CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL OF PAPPY'S OWNERS.....
Wish I could have been there...
Rich B.
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 16:31:20.17
From: IN%"Rich4544@concentric.net" "Richard R. Buettner"
From: Rich4544@concentric.net
Subject: Re: Pappy results [3418] [3430]
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CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL OF PAPPY'S OWNERS....
Wish I could have been there.....
Rich B.
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 16:23:37.48
From: IN%"debbderl@uic.edu"
From: debbderl@uic.edu
Subject: Persistant Poppy Wins! [3428]
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V's;
Just got back from the beautiful Mudbug OTB...what a run by our girl!
At the first call, the track anouncer had her at 10th, and then she really
took off. I'd like to see her start off a little faster... otherwise I'm
going to need CPR after every race. :^)
She was IMPRESSIVE; hope she comes off the race OK and it's on to bigger and
better things.
And she can have any kind of mint she wants!!
Debby D
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29-OCT-1997 16:22:37.40
From: IN%"elvis@mcs.com"
From: elvis@mcs.com
Subject: 2 more cents on "Poppacherry: A Maiden No More!" [3427]
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Thanks to Steve for buying the round that counted: the one I stayed
for. I think it's reasonable to believe we have something here (the
horse, not someone buying a round).
By the way, the elvisware picked horse from the first race lost by a
nose in a photo, which deprived this corporation of 4 figures in
winnings.
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 16:10:30.03
From: IN%"elvis@mcs.com"
From: elvis@mcs.com
Subject: Re: Ray of Hope [3417] [3426]
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> A large crown of VOPers welcomed her back to the Winner's Circle.
> I have to say that's the best thing I've seen on TV in a long time.
>
This is one to keep on video. Watching the confidence at which she
passed the 8 horses ahead of her and held the lead on that killer
stretch is something to watch over and over again. If they include the
Winner's Circle shot on TV it would make for something that video stores
could rent out.
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 16:06:37.70
From: IN%"elvis@mcs.com"
From: elvis@mcs.com
Subject: Re: Pappy Results [3416] [3425]
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Drew wrote:
>
> DRF reports that Pappy won!!!
>
> Time 1:13'1
>
> 4 - PAPAROUNA 11.80 6.20 4.20
> 2 - PENNY FOR THOUGHTS 29.60 14.20 wow!
> 11- ALASKAN TUNER 8.40
>
The wow! translates to a $306 exacta, which is why a substantial amount
of people are right now making our highways more dangerous in one of
Hawthorne's more elegant watering holes.
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 15:39:19.62
From: IN%"Sunwalker@warpnet.net" "Sunwalker Ostrich Ranch"
From: Sunwalker@warpnet.net
Subject: Paparouna Passemalla !! [3422]
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All
Just got back from the OTB and seeing Pappy romp
home a winner. Looked like she broke well and settled
in about 5th, 2 or 3 paths off the rail. Ray started to
move in the turn and blew by everyone to win in the
clear.When Ray pulled her up to come back around,
she looked like she was ready to do it again.
Big crowd in the winner's circle. A few familiar faces,
a few unfamiliar, but all beaming with excitement!
Congrats to Liane, Cal, and all the Pappy People!!!
Reckon the Pic 6 pool just got a little bigger?
Ed Blair
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29-OCT-1997 15:38:12.49
From: IN%"ldawson@netins.net"
From: ldawson@netins.net
Subject: STUPID! [3421]
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VOP:
I woke up this morning with great anticipation to see Pappy run. I went
to work early, so I could get my work done and headed out the door at
noon. It took me an hour to drive to Prairie Meadows and I could hardly
sit still in the car. I walked up to the door to get in to PM and I
reached in my back pocket to get my ID to get into the track. My heart
sank when I reached back for my wallet, cause it wasn't there. I forgot
my ID at home and there was no way they were going to let me in. To say
the least I was very upset with myself. Boy am I dumb.
Driving home I called phonebet and they told me the results. People on
the freeway were probably wondering what the hell I was clapping for.
Congrats to all Pappy owners.
Is it too late to supplement her for the BC Juvenile? :)
Eric Dawson
PS. Will someone be making a tape of the race, cause I need one to show
off to all my friends that are sick of me talking about Pappy. And
if anyone has done anything dumber than what I did today please
post, maybe it will make me feel better. :)
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 15:33:06.61
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: YESSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!! [3420]
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V's,
By now everyone knows pappy won. Thanks to Steve L. for the round.
A very profitable day for most!
Ray said that she moved on the leaders without him even asking her.
She mowed em down and shes not even a sprinter!
The rest is history.
ap
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29-OCT-1997 15:25:14.02
From: IN%"cnlcronin@voyager.net"
From: cnlcronin@voyager.net
Subject: HOORAY! [3419]
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YAY, Pappy!
I cannot believe it (well, yes I can!)--I was sitting at the barn
watching my horse get shod and thinking "Damn, I wish I was at the
track!" WHAT A GOOD FILLY! MY FIRST WIN AS A VOP'STER! (Only took 15
months!)
To quote Don Allana....GIMME THAT WIN PHOTO, BABY! And please put me
down for a copy of the video, if available. Yippeeee!
Did she come off OK and does she know what a good girl she is??
Lynn
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 14:56:50.83
From: IN%"LREN83A@prodigy.com"
From: LREN83A@prodigy.com
Subject: Pappy results [3418]
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Pappy owners,
Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Steve Ostman
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29-OCT-1997 14:56:14.68
From: IN%"channic@kcco.com" "Tom Channic"
From: channic@kcco.com
Subject: Ray of Hope [3417]
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Well, it looked like a replay of Paparouna's last race. She
came out of the gate well behind the field and looked like she
had nowhere to go. I counted her in 9th going into the turn.
But Ray, wise rider that he is, just stayed wide -- 6 or 7 wide
coming out of the turn -- and moved sharply up to the leaders.
Our girl just mowed 'em down in the stretch and handily held
off a late challenge from the 2 who made a strong but futile
move on Paparouna's outside that came up about a length and a half
short.
A large crown of VOPers welcomed her back to the Winner's Circle.
I have to say that's the best thing I've seen on TV in a long time.
Congrats to Liane and her staff, Ray and all the owners and may
the new streak continue!!
Tom C.
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29-OCT-1997 14:47:22.78
From: IN%"drew@ctnet.com" "Drew"
From: drew@ctnet.com
Subject: Pappy Results [3416]
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DRF reports that Pappy won!!!
Time 1:13'1
4 - PAPAROUNA 11.80 6.20 4.20
2 - PENNY FOR THOUGHTS 29.60 14.20 wow!
11- ALASKAN TUNER 8.40
Way to go, Pappy!
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For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain.
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Drew Ivan drew@ctnet.com
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VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 14:44:47.59
From: IN%"channic@kcco.com" "Tom Channic"
From: channic@kcco.com
Subject: VICTORY!! [3415]
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Paparouna wins paying $11.80 6.20 4.20 in 1:13.1.
More to follow...
Tom C.
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 12:54:21.09
From: IN%"kgrace@injersey.com" "Ken Grace"
From: kgrace@injersey.com
Subject: Re: Unsold, KLH, LL [3372] [3388] [3390] [3413]
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> The tax strategy looks like a good idea. Maybe I could charge the loss against
> stock market gains!;-)
>
> We can deduct the loss if the particular horse is sold or claimed?? can we?
>
> ap
Yes, once a particular horse partnership is closed out you can deduct
any passive losses, including those you might have carried forward from
previous years. The K-1 you receive for the last year will have a
notation that it is a "final K-1".
Ken
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 12:35:09.92
From: IN%"elvis@mcs.com"
From: elvis@mcs.com
Subject: For what it's worth [3412]
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The Daily Herald has PP third based on effort in last race.
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 12:30:21.96
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: pappy [3411]
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V's,
I'm glad not to be the favorite! its the KOD.
a $20 double from the 3,4 and 7 to #4 is in order.
ap
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 11:31:45.61
From: IN%"drew@ctnet.com" "Drew"
From: drew@ctnet.com
Subject: Re: Chicago Tribune Picks (and other datums) [3407] [3408] [3409]
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>>Winning post positions yesterday were 5-4-4-10-9-7-4-6-4.
>>Terry, is it possible to have back to back 4 days?
>>(Yes, all the #4 posts were #4 saddlecloths, too.
>
>I haven't tested this theory b4. It could happen, I guess. I sure
>hope so!
From a less numerological perspective, one might draw a different
conclusion from these data. Out of nine races, six were won by
horses in the 4/5/6 post positions. The remaining three winners
were from the outside post positions. No horses starting from the
inner three post positions won!
Perhaps the track is faster in the middle or, as they say, the
rail is dead. Alas, we're in the second race, so we won't have
much time to see if this pattern is holding up today. Moreover,
Ray has no mount in the first, so he won't be able to find out
for himself how the rail is playing. Perhaps Herschell noticed
something during the morning works?
You might mention the possibility of a dead rail to Ray. A 6f
race is only around one turn, so we won't be losing much ground
by staying 2 or 3 wide.
Furthermore, a dead rail bodes ill for the favorite, YOU DEVIL,
who is starting from one hole.
In double-checking, it seems that the 6th race was won by the #1
horse, not the #7.
For yesterday's 9 races:
# horses PP 1-3 that won: 1
# horses PP 1-3 that finished 2nd: 1
# horses PP 1-3 that finished 3rd: 2
Seems like horses in the inner post positions aren't doing well
at all!
PP 4 had 4 wins and a second for the day. Wow!
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For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Drew Ivan drew@ctnet.com
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VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 11:07:28.46
From: IN%"tlbjork@ais.net" "Terry Bjork"
From: tlbjork@ais.net
Subject: Re: Chicago Tribune Picks (and other datums) [3407] [3408]
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At 09:51 AM 10/29/97 -0600, Tom Channic wrote:
>Winning post positions yesterday were 5-4-4-10-9-7-4-6-4.
>Terry, is it possible to have back to back 4 days?
>(Yes, all the #4 posts were #4 saddlecloths, too.
I haven't tested this theory b4. It could happen, I guess. I sure
hope so!
Terry
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 10:55:23.98
From: IN%"channic@kcco.com" "Tom Channic"
From: channic@kcco.com
Subject: Chicago Tribune Picks (and other datums) [3407]
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Looks like the Trib handicappers didn't read the DRF picks.
Only Neil Milbert has our girl in the money (2nd).
Dave Surico puts her 7th at expected odds of 8-1 with the portentous
although arguably inaccurate comment "Threat on drop". Did she
run in a stakes race we don't know about? YOU DEVIL is Surico's
best bet of the day, and the Tribune Consensus best bet as well.
It's a cool but pleasant morning here in the not-too-windy city.
Should hit 50+F by post time (4hrs 5min, but who's counting).
All in all a great day for starting another winning streak.
Insufficient data for me to handicap this bunch. Hopefully, YD
will get most of the backing, and P will be a solid underlay
with a great shot on a big effort. Track was fast, but times
were slow yesterday. No horse with a lead at 4 furlongs won a
race yesterday.
Winning post positions yesterday were 5-4-4-10-9-7-4-6-4.
Terry, is it possible to have back to back 4 days?
(Yes, all the #4 posts were #4 saddlecloths, too. They paid:
$7.80, $9.60, $3.40, and $11.20 for a 77.77% return on investment,
not to mention the 220% return on the eight 4-4 doubles!!)
Viva la quattro! Viva la Paparouna!!
Tom C.
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 10:28:37.46
From: IN%"bbrandt@COMMUNIQUE.NET" "BBrandt"
From: bbrandt@COMMUNIQUE.NET
Subject: EMAIL WARNING [3405]
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The Tech guys at our home office have informed me there is a new email
bomb on the loose. They say the heading is Join The Crew! He also
reminded me of the Penal Greetings.. message which he claims is still
out there.
I don't know how it all works, but he took time to let me know so I will
pass it on.
Brian B
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 10:16:09.86
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com
Subject: Re: Nat's Effort [3347] [3348] [3349] [3374] [3404]
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On Oct 27, 9:59pm, Falstafguy@aol.com wrote:
> Subject: Re: Nat's Effort [3347] [3348] [3349] [3374]
> In a message dated 97-10-25 23:36:33 EDT, mikep@ameritech.net writes:
>
> <<
> What is the day rate for training at Sam?
> What is the shipping cost?
> What is the average purse we would be running for? (where we could win)
> >>
> VOPers,
> I didn't ask anyone at Sam about day rates. Cal, have you spoken to Liane
> or anyone about those rates? Also I'm sure Cal could give us a ballpark
> figure on shipping.
She thought day rates would be about the same as
Fairmount Park ($30/day). Shipping will be expensive.
Since there's no realy Chicgo<->Texas racing circuit,
there won't be a regular scheduled van run. Going one
way, we'll probably be looking at $1,200/horse. It
will probably be cheaper to ship to the Fairgrounds
and get a shuttle to SH.
Cal
>
> Darrell B
>-- End of excerpt from Falstafguy@aol.com
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 10:11:50.99
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: Re: Tri Wagering? [3399] [3403]
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Race 2 is a $2 exacta, $1 superfecta and $2 daily double
At 07:59 AM 10/29/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Y'all,
>Does naybody know if there will be trifecta wagering for the 2nd race at
>Hawthorne?
>Thanks
>Joe P
>
>
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 10:09:40.31
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com
Subject: Re: Unsold, KLH, LL [3372] [3402]
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On Oct 27, 6:17pm, Terry Bjork wrote:
> Subject: Unsold, KLH, LL [3372]
>
> Cal -
>
> Could you refresh us on the nature of Unsold's problems? If he's sore
> in a front hoof and now getting sore in the back end, I can't see the
> point of trying to get another race out of him.
>
Unsold's problem is the calcification of his
ankles. The left is worse than the right. They are
sore when he runs and tries to relieve pressure from
them by having his back legs to more work than they
should and he gets sore behind. This problem is man-
agable for the short term, but it will not improve.
Arthritis is a one way street and all that can be done
is treat the symptoms.
Liane's recommendation is still to sell the
horse. He will not get better and will be difficult
to keep in shape because training causes discomfort.
She believes Unsold can get one more race this year
before needing a break.
She doesn't have a recommendation for a SH
trainer. The only person she knows that is competent
and has run in Texas is Sam David. However he's
based out of LA and will probably have his entire
operation at the Fair Grounds and will go back to
Lone Star over the summer.
> In re: KLH - does Liane think this problem is going to get worse? If
> so, why don't we just take him off the track now while he's reasonably
> sound and try to get some sort of decent price for him as a riding
> horse, rather than waiting till the problem is back to serious or
> the knee totally blown out?
Her explaination was that the problem was
an expected complication from the surgery. I will
talk to her about it more today.
>
> Finally re: LL - The girl who has Major, Jennifer, says LL looks
> like a hunter-jumper prospect. I'd be in favor of trying to find
> a buyer for LL, soon, rather than keeping on with the racing
> attempts till the end of the year. LL might finally break that
> N2L condition, but then after that what do we do?
I agree and Liane is shopping around for buyers.
However, if Jenifer has someone that's looking, let's
have her get in touch with Liane to look at Lady. If
she wants to make an offer, I'm sure the partners will
listen.
Cal
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 09:39:07.81
From: IN%"HORSEA2@aol.com"
From: HORSEA2@aol.com
Subject: Paparouna race [3401]
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Hello,
I can't be there today, so I will pour all my excitment and nerves into
making cheesecakes and horse shaped cookies for my office mates who are of
couse very, very happy that Paparouna is running today. And please no more
pizza hut mints, OK.
Karen
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 09:07:24.69
From: IN%"joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com" "Pacheco, Joe"
From: joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com
Subject: Tri Wagering? [3399]
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Y'all,
Does naybody know if there will be trifecta wagering for the 2nd race at
Hawthorne?
Thanks
Joe P
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 08:13:45.80
From: IN%"drew@ctnet.com" "Drew"
From: drew@ctnet.com
Subject: Re: Paparouna's romp [3394] [3398]
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>Anyway, just a note to say that there is plenty of excitement here in
>Cleveland!
Ditto from this corner of C-land. Alas, I'm not sure I'll be able
to shake loose in the middle of the day for Pappy's race. :(
One good thing about Itsy is that she's usually in the 8th or 9th,
and I can cheese out early to get to the track.
Anyway, I'll be glued to the results pages and looking forward to
VOPsters posted accounts of the race!
Go Pappy!
===============================================================
For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Drew Ivan drew@ctnet.com
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VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 06:25:55.97
From: IN%"elvis@mcs.com"
From: elvis@mcs.com
Subject: Sun-Times on PP race [3397]
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Not as enthusiastic as DRF:
Feldman - You Devil (4-5!), Cyndi's Glitter, Alaskan Tuner, PP 4th (8-1)
(When I used to track elvisware results against the Sun-Times, Feldman's
shining point used to be maiden races)
Clocker - Paparouna, Cajun Moon, You Devil (Is this the same as Trackman
in DRF?)
Program - You Devil, Cajun Moon, Alaska Devil, PP about 5th
Krish - You Devil, Secret Goodbye, Alaskan Tuner
Consensus - You Devil (consensus pick of the day), Cajun Moon, PP
In the first race, the clocker likes my favorite, Malory Elizabeth, to
start my daily double.
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 06:11:19.94
From: IN%"tlbjork@ais.net" "Terry Bjork"
From: tlbjork@ais.net
Subject: Re: Paparouna's romp [3394] [3396]
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At 12:00 AM 10/29/97 -0500, MR JIM S FITZWATER wrote:
>All you local partners give her a carrot (as she does not like
>peppermints much, at least not the ones I lifted from Pizza Hut) and
>a cheer for me.
Eeeeeewwwwwww! No wonder she was off for so long - Pizza Hut peppermints!
Jim F. is to blame.
Terry
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-OCT-1997 00:04:08.31
From: IN%"RJVS65A@prodigy.com"
From: RJVS65A@prodigy.com
Subject: Paparouna's romp [3394]
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V's,
Unfortunately, I will not be able to make it to Chicago for our
girl's race. However, I will be at Thistledown who is carrying
Hawthorne and yelling my fool head off. Of course, I will do my part
to skew the odds ;>
I hope she has a good trip. It's been so long since her first race
and with this one at a different track, I'm afraid that any lessons
she learned have been forgotten. I'm treating this pretty much as
her first race. I only know of one timed work in five and a half
weeks and that was an easy 5 furlongs. I'm betting (literally) that
her inate talent will get the job done.
All you local partners give her a carrot (as she does not like
peppermints much, at least not the ones I lifted from Pizza Hut) and
a cheer for me.
Anyway, just a note to say that there is plenty of excitement here in
Cleveland!
Go Paparouna!
Jim Fitz
____
*************************************************
Jim Fitzwater RJVS65A@prodigy.com
Death to the Florida Marlins!
VOP MAIL PAGE
28-OCT-1997 23:28:16.35
From: IN%"bbrandt@COMMUNIQUE.NET" "BBrandt"
From: bbrandt@COMMUNIQUE.NET
Subject: Re: DRF's view of PP's race [3392] [3393]
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Good luck to PAPAROUNA and all her lucky owners!!!!
I hope tommorow will be a day we will all remember, sorry I won't make
the trip to see it in person. I will be watching.
Brian B
elvis@mcs.com wrote:
> This, and similar support from the Chicago papers will kiss that sweet
>
> 10-1 goodbye:
>
> Analyst - Paparouna, You Devil, Alaskan Tuner
> Trackman (Dwane Hatch) - Paparouna, Cajun Moo, You Devil
> Hermis (Richard Pyle) - You Devil, Secret Goodbye, Chandi Rani
> Sweep (Tom Joyce) - You Devil, Paparouna, Secret Goodbye
> Consensus - You Devil (13), Paparouna (12!), Secret Goodbye (3)
>
> This household will be wagering a DD, 1st race Malory Elizabeth, 2nd
> PP
> and You Devil. Also wagers on PP based on how the odds hold up.
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28-OCT-1997 22:16:51.31
From: IN%"elvis@mcs.com"
From: elvis@mcs.com
Subject: DRF's view of PP's race [3392]
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This, and similar support from the Chicago papers will kiss that sweet
10-1 goodbye:
Analyst - Paparouna, You Devil, Alaskan Tuner
Trackman (Dwane Hatch) - Paparouna, Cajun Moo, You Devil
Hermis (Richard Pyle) - You Devil, Secret Goodbye, Chandi Rani
Sweep (Tom Joyce) - You Devil, Paparouna, Secret Goodbye
Consensus - You Devil (13), Paparouna (12!), Secret Goodbye (3)
This household will be wagering a DD, 1st race Malory Elizabeth, 2nd PP
and You Devil. Also wagers on PP based on how the odds hold up.
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28-OCT-1997 21:39:08.45
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: Re: Unsold, KLH, LL [3372] [3388] [3390]
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The tax strategy looks like a good idea. Maybe I could charge the loss against
stock market gains!;-)
We can deduct the loss if the particular horse is sold or claimed?? can we?
ap
At 06:29 PM 10/28/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Terry,
>
>I couldn't agree with you more, and in the case of LL, I thought we
>were looking for a buyer but were continuing to keep her in training
>and racing until sold.
>
>Steve Ostman
>
>
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28-OCT-1997 20:42:33.23
From: IN%"joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com" "Pacheco, Joe"
From: joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com
Subject: The post update [3389]
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Y'all,
My correction was not posted in the archive, so I am assuming to didn;t
get out. My selections were in error. I had the 2 on top, it should
have been Pappy the 4, not the 2 (tuff day at work). Again I had it
4-1-6-11 or 1-4-6-11. Sorry about the error. Peace. love and Black
Light posters!
Joe P
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28-OCT-1997 18:32:24.10
From: IN%"LREN83A@prodigy.com"
From: LREN83A@prodigy.com
Subject: Unsold, KLH, LL [3372] [3388]
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Terry,
I couldn't agree with you more, and in the case of LL, I thought we
were looking for a buyer but were continuing to keep her in training
and racing until sold.
Steve Ostman
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28-OCT-1997 18:29:29.18
From: IN%"LREN83A@prodigy.com"
From: LREN83A@prodigy.com
Subject: Internet Message [3387]
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ap,
Not to worry, I saw Ed (happy trails) at the barn on Sunday. Ed was
all nicely tanned from his Florida vacation, but was having trouble
posting to the list. He also said he came home to 700 letters in his
in box. I'm sure he will make it to Hawthorne tomorrow.
Steve Ostman
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28-OCT-1997 18:25:30.21
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: the return of pappy [3386]
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Partners,
I don't see much about Pappy's today...noboby's exciited
about her second race cept' Joe......Well make that two.....tomorrow's
the day for graduation folks as she catches a rather ordinary field of
maidens...but of course I am ahead of myself. Here for your perusal are
the old weston KOD picks for the 2nd at HAW tomorrow........
1. You Devil---has the best fig but that last quarter this horse was
laboring (26).......had EVERYTHING go her way and STILL lost....1st time
everything last out.....unless she improves that last quarter she be a
maiden for quite a long time.........
2.Penny For Thoughts--cost 5.5k last Aug and has non descript
works.......toss
3. Muscles Malone--One of Don Allana favs name unfortunetly, this horse
is mighty slow in the final quater and trainer is OH for 97...toss-toy
5. Chandi Rani--cost 28k back in Nov 95....but showed absolutly nothing
first out on the turf...and has slow works to boot......tossiba
6.secret goodbye--another first dirter.....had nice blow on Sunday for
this..there are some things to like....first time VITAmin L
7. Cajun Moon--Another firster ......not much history behind trainer as
this is his first horse this year.......I'll watch this time....toss
8. Nothin's E Z.....the named rider tells me this one is out for exerise
tomorrow...has come in with some bombers for this trainer but she'll
have to beat me....toss
9. Cyndi's Glitter-- two medicore works and MR silva.....noooo
noooo!------toss
10. Born to be wild--nneds a renaming job to Born to be slow......gotta
give the trainer credit has tried EVERY trick in the book to get this
one to run.........with NO results........tossico
11. Alaska Tuner---Don't be fooled bt this one her races have all come
for a tag and is moving up in class off a bad race...when she
bled....that and the outside leave this one as a ........toss
12. Royal Doris----clunked up to 4th behind you devil the last
out...same trip in store for this one
4. PAPAROUNA--Sibille back up on My fav...her initial outing was not bad
considering all things a slight improvement brings this one to the
winners circle mach schnell...
Probable finish---4-1-6 and the rest farrrrrrr back.......Pappy stalks
the one and passes her and goes on to an easy win......you heard it here
first Pappy Lovers
Allan
ps---I still have the entries for the contest so it still
goes.......LOTS of good Belmont stuff....Incliding a 20th anniverany
secrertiarait
mug...plus other suprises
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28-OCT-1997 16:52:46.37
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: correction (price) trackmaster pp's [3385]
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v's,
The pdf files are $1.00 for the entire race card (no single races)
The .50 sale was for csw format (comma delimited file).
sorry for the confusion
ap
Has anyone seen Ed (happy trails) his horse is in tomorrow. He might like
to know.
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28-OCT-1997 16:43:00.12
From: IN%"channic@kcco.com" "Tom Channic"
From: channic@kcco.com
Subject: Re: Pappy's Race [3380] [3382] [3384]
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test [no humor content whatsoever]
A duck walks into a department store and says, "I'd like your finest
lip gloss, please."
"Here you are," says the salesperson. "Will that be cash or charge?"
The duck replies, "Just put it on my BILL."
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28-OCT-1997 16:39:16.85
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: trackmaster pp's [3383]
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V's,
Trackmaster pp at has a sale of .50 for full race card
downloads, I think the regular price is $1.00...compare to the drf.
in pdf format. You need adobe acrobat reader 3.0 (which is a free download
everywhere including trackmasters site).
These programs have the last 12 pp's and 12 workouts with much more detailed
information than the drf.
If someone wants to see an example I still have Nat's on disk, I can email it
as an attachment. Note; you will still need adobe acrobat to view/print it.
ap
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28-OCT-1997 10:25:51.03
From: IN%"joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com" "Pacheco, Joe"
From: joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com
Subject: Pappy's Race [3380]
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Y'all,
Just got a chance to look at Pappy's competition.
It looks like her main competition will come from the #1, You Devil.
She is the only true "Early Speed" horse in the race. Given her post,
and her high speed rating of 78, she will be on the front end on this
race. She did get nipped at the wire in her last, so if pappy is rated
well, she could catch her at the wire. You Devil is also on second time
Lasix.
A first time starter, #8 Nothing's Easy, comes into the race with a
bullet work, but her trainer has a 3% winning percent for first time
MdnSpWt starters. She will get some betting action, but may not be
there at the end. She may try for the lead, but the outside positions
at Hawthorne have been dead (8 out), which puts her in a bad position.
Alaskan Turner #11 has three seconds in four starts, but has slow speed
figure compared to the rest and is breaking from a real bad post.
There are a few horses that make the move from the turf to the dirt (#5
Chandi Rani and #6 Secret Goodbye). Both trainers have decent win
percentages in the turf to dirt switch (15% and 10% respectively) so
they could surprise.
If Pappy can get a clean break, and can stay with the #1, she could pull
it off.
I call it 2-1-6-11, with the definite possibility of 1-2-6-11.
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27-OCT-1997 23:17:13.01
From: IN%"elvis@mcs.com"
From: elvis@mcs.com
Subject: elvisware on paparouna [3377]
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Not really a good situation for number crunching. Two year olds are not
recommended on this software. Plus there are 5 first starters, and most
of them are probably making their debut on a new track. Technically,
this is for a dry track, but based on the weather lately, who knows what
the track will be like in 40 hours. So there is no official
recommendation of any kind from the software. (It really loves Malory
Elizabeth in the first though, so those of you who have to bet, myself
included, may factor this in the DD).
The numbers:
Fitness - Royal Doris 10, PP 1
Ability - Alaskan Tune 10, PP 9!
Class - Secret Goodbye 10, PP 8! (2nd)
Speed - You Devil 10, PP 4
Recency - C