30-SEP-1997 21:31:52.32
From: IN%"chris.jenner@apropos.com"
From: chris.jenner@apropos.com
Subject: Re: FW: Nats work on Sunday [2715] [2718] [2720]
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Was that a minute and four? Or a minute and four?
At 08:43 PM 9/30/97 -0500, Sunwalker Ostrich Ranch wrote:
> Holy Shit!!! 1.00.4? I don't know what's got into Nat
>either, but let's keep it in her! Thanks much for the
>info. I'm not privy to all the latest news out here in the
>boonies. Tell you what, no way am I missing my gal's
>next race. I'm gonna be in a win photo yet! Yippee-yi-yay!
> " Hopeful" Ed Blair
>
>----------
>From: Allan Weston[SMTP:biggestal2@webtv.net]
>Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 1997 5:01 PM
>To: virtual-owners@vop.org
>Subject: Nats work on Sunday [2715]
>
>Partners,
> Me being a nudge and all....the first thing I do is check
>on VOP horse workout list
>when I get my form......I am looking for Nat or Itsy as being the most
>likely canidates for a work.....so I see sunday at AP and I start
>checking.....wait I see Dance Naturally worked 5f........OK.........I
>figure maybe 103 and change....I look at the time that that clockers
>caught her in 100.4 breezing.....A NEAR BULLET WORK......whats gotten
>into Nat
>2nd best work of 33.....1/5 of a second off the bullet.........in the
>name of all things holy...well I just wanted to pass along the good
>news.....I know there is a certain someone (I aint mentioning anyone's
>name, ED) who will be glad to hear about it.......
> Allan
>
>
>
VOP MAIL PAGE
30-SEP-1997 21:31:14.42
From: IN%"chris.jenner@apropos.com"
From: chris.jenner@apropos.com
Subject: Re: Lady's Race [2716] [2719]
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 21:32:24 -0500
To: Burgooking@aol.com
From: Chris Jenner
Subject: Re: Lady's Race [2716]
At 09:16 PM 9/30/97 -0400, you wrote:
>... as the Hawthorne Gold Cup room
>was unable to make a whiskey sour as they did not have any sour
>mix. There goes their four star rating.
So what's wrong with a whiskey sour without the sour? I bet it tastes a lot
like a julep.
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30-SEP-1997 20:34:44.92
From: IN%"Sunwalker@warpnet.net" "Sunwalker Ostrich Ranch"
From: Sunwalker@warpnet.net
Subject: FW: Nats work on Sunday [2715] [2718]
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Holy Shit!!! 1.00.4? I don't know what's got into Nat
either, but let's keep it in her! Thanks much for the
info. I'm not privy to all the latest news out here in the
boonies. Tell you what, no way am I missing my gal's
next race. I'm gonna be in a win photo yet! Yippee-yi-yay!
" Hopeful" Ed Blair
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From: Allan Weston[SMTP:biggestal2@webtv.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 1997 5:01 PM
To: virtual-owners@vop.org
Subject: Nats work on Sunday [2715]
Partners,
Me being a nudge and all....the first thing I do is check
on VOP horse workout list
when I get my form......I am looking for Nat or Itsy as being the most
likely canidates for a work.....so I see sunday at AP and I start
checking.....wait I see Dance Naturally worked 5f........OK.........I
figure maybe 103 and change....I look at the time that that clockers
caught her in 100.4 breezing.....A NEAR BULLET WORK......whats gotten
into Nat
2nd best work of 33.....1/5 of a second off the bullet.........in the
name of all things holy...well I just wanted to pass along the good
news.....I know there is a certain someone (I aint mentioning anyone's
name, ED) who will be glad to hear about it.......
Allan
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30-SEP-1997 20:34:31.06
From: IN%"Sunwalker@warpnet.net" "Sunwalker Ostrich Ranch"
From: Sunwalker@warpnet.net
Subject: FW: Lady's 4th [2714] [2717]
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Thanks for the great play-by-play, Mike. For those
like me who don't get to catch all the races, you've
painted a very real and easy to picture re-creation
of the race. Muchas gracias!
Ed Blair
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From: Mike Sasso-CMS040[SMTP:Mike_Sasso-CMS040@email.mot.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 1997 4:53 PM
To: Receipt Notification Requested
Subject: Lady's 4th [2714]
Partners:
Caught a Ted Nugent 2-for on the short way to the OTB and I thought it was
going to be a good day.
Lady looked pretty good in the paddock prior to the race. Once she got onto
the track, she looked incredible. Ray and Lady left their outrider and went
for a little jog immediately following the post parade. She bounced around
the track like she owned the place. The camera was focused on her for almost
the entire time. I felt like a proud papa. I doubled my bets.
She went into the gate nicely. They're all in. WAIT! Guidry got thrown from
his mount and the horse flopped around inside the gate. The filly was backed
out of her stall. Then Stopthegreekmusic was backed out. Next they were all
backed out and Target of Love was scratched.
There was about a 6-7 minute delay because of the scratch. Because the
camera never found LL again, I couldn't tell if she lost her enthusiasm. I
don't know if the delay hurt her chances.
They were led back into the gate and Lady got a clear break. Mon Baiser
(1-1) broke wide but immediately got settled into the front of the pack.
Brighter than Air and Lady Lomond (10-1) stalked her about 3 lengths behind.
Mon Baiser ran a quick quarter in 22.3 and half in 45.3. As they turned for
home, LL and Brighter than Air tried to make their move...but Mon Baiser was
too tough. She opened up by about 4 lengths. Lady was tiring badly and I
thought the wire would never come. Piggyback Gal who stayed far back of the
fast pace blew by LL and BTA and almost nipped Mon Baisar at the wire. Lady
hung on for 4th but looked extremely tired. Three quarters were run in 112.1
and the final time was 119.1
Because of the fast fractions set by Mon Baiser and the extra 1/2 furlong,
this was an extremely tough race for Lady. She has no closing ability
because of her breathing problem and needs to relax while closely stalking a
moderate/slow pace, or possibly get loose on the lead and dictate the pace.
This was not that kind of a race. All in all, it was a much better effort
than her last race.
-Mike (still a proud papa) Sasso-
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30-SEP-1997 20:19:34.89
From: IN%"Burgooking@aol.com"
From: Burgooking@aol.com
Subject: Lady's Race [2716]
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Partners:
Well I was wrong. Lady ran a reasonable race but she was
not match for the top two at least. The start of the race was
delayed as the six horse after loading decided to take a seat
in the starting gate. Mark Guidry had the mount and the track
vet scratched the horse. After a six or seven minute delay the
horses were reloaded and Ray broke clean outside of all the other
horses except the nine who rushed up for a clear and uncontested
lead. The quarter was 22 and change and Lady was clear running
an easy third on the outside about four lengths off the pace setter.
Turning for home Ray seemed to ask Lady for more and she made a run
at the three horse who was running second. She had no excuse and
couldn't get by the three. Meanwhile the nine was two lengths clear and
the one rallied strongly from the rear of the pack to just miss the nine
passing both Lady and the three with ease. The 3/4 went in 1:12 and 1/5
with the final time 1:19 and change.
While it was certainly a better effort Lady had a perfect trip as far as
I could see and still could not beat a very ordinary bunch of Illinois
n/w of twos. It looks like six fourlongs might be a little better for her.
Also $ 4,000 claimers might be better. I'm sure Cal will have some
thoughts on this. Fourth is not a disaster but $ 432.00 in purse money
is not going to get it done.
Cal didn't fair much better at lunch as the Hawthorne Gold Cup room
was unable to make a whiskey sour as they did not have any sour
mix. There goes their four star rating. Sadly for Cal chicken tenders
were "out of stock" so poor Cal settled for a glass of wine and a bowl
of soup. Cal it will get better.
On a side note Jeff it only took me a little over an hour to get home.
Liane did say that Paparouna was feeling a little better but did have
some heat in the same leg as before. Liane did not seem to concerned
about it. Overall the track seemed to be favoring speed at least in the
sprints although the race before Lady's Cal did convince me to take
Guidry's mount who rallied from the back to pass the field after there
had been a battle among the early leaders.
Well it back to work. Once again I can't find any fault with Ray's ride.
Steve Lewis
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30-SEP-1997 17:04:55.56
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Nats work on Sunday [2715]
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Partners,
Me being a nudge and all....the first thing I do is check
on VOP horse workout list
when I get my form......I am looking for Nat or Itsy as being the most
likely canidates for a work.....so I see sunday at AP and I start
checking.....wait I see Dance Naturally worked 5f........OK.........I
figure maybe 103 and change....I look at the time that that clockers
caught her in 100.4 breezing.....A NEAR BULLET WORK......whats gotten
into Nat
2nd best work of 33.....1/5 of a second off the bullet.........in the
name of all things holy...well I just wanted to pass along the good
news.....I know there is a certain someone (I aint mentioning anyone's
name, ED) who will be glad to hear about it.......
Allan
VOP MAIL PAGE
30-SEP-1997 16:46:53.65
From: IN%"Mike_Sasso-CMS040@email.mot.com" "Mike Sasso-CMS040"
From: Mike_Sasso-CMS040@email.mot.com
Subject: Lady's 4th [2714]
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Partners:
Caught a Ted Nugent 2-for on the short way to the OTB and I thought it was
going to be a good day.
Lady looked pretty good in the paddock prior to the race. Once she got onto
the track, she looked incredible. Ray and Lady left their outrider and went
for a little jog immediately following the post parade. She bounced around
the track like she owned the place. The camera was focused on her for almost
the entire time. I felt like a proud papa. I doubled my bets.
She went into the gate nicely. They're all in. WAIT! Guidry got thrown from
his mount and the horse flopped around inside the gate. The filly was backed
out of her stall. Then Stopthegreekmusic was backed out. Next they were all
backed out and Target of Love was scratched.
There was about a 6-7 minute delay because of the scratch. Because the
camera never found LL again, I couldn't tell if she lost her enthusiasm. I
don't know if the delay hurt her chances.
They were led back into the gate and Lady got a clear break. Mon Baiser
(1-1) broke wide but immediately got settled into the front of the pack.
Brighter than Air and Lady Lomond (10-1) stalked her about 3 lengths behind.
Mon Baiser ran a quick quarter in 22.3 and half in 45.3. As they turned for
home, LL and Brighter than Air tried to make their move...but Mon Baiser was
too tough. She opened up by about 4 lengths. Lady was tiring badly and I
thought the wire would never come. Piggyback Gal who stayed far back of the
fast pace blew by LL and BTA and almost nipped Mon Baisar at the wire. Lady
hung on for 4th but looked extremely tired. Three quarters were run in 112.1
and the final time was 119.1
Because of the fast fractions set by Mon Baiser and the extra 1/2 furlong,
this was an extremely tough race for Lady. She has no closing ability
because of her breathing problem and needs to relax while closely stalking a
moderate/slow pace, or possibly get loose on the lead and dictate the pace.
This was not that kind of a race. All in all, it was a much better effort
than her last race.
-Mike (still a proud papa) Sasso-
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30-SEP-1997 15:55:14.55
From: IN%"joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com" "Pacheco, Joe"
From: joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com
Subject: lady out of the money [2713]
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Finish 9-1-3, 6 late scratch
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30-SEP-1997 13:27:53.57
From: IN%"Mike_Sasso-CMS040@email.mot.com" "Mike Sasso-CMS040"
From: Mike_Sasso-CMS040@email.mot.com
Subject: Sweater Weather [2712]
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Partners:
There's a chill in the air in Chicagoland today which should make it easier
for Lady Lomond to breathe. I walked from the office to my car at lunchtime
and didn't experience *much* shortness of breath. The air is a little
chunkier in Stickney though.
Go Lady!
-Mike Sasso-
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30-SEP-1997 12:18:55.83
From: IN%"Mike_Sasso-CMS040@email.mot.com" "Mike Sasso-CMS040"
From: Mike_Sasso-CMS040@email.mot.com
Subject: RE: Paparouna? [2708] [2709] [2711]
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Cal wrote:
>>Sorry for the infor drought over the past couple days, but it's been
hectic at work.<<
Darn, I thought you might be out of the state which would make Lady Lomond a
sure thing today ;-)
Actually, things are hectic on this end of Motorola too and I'm gonna be
forced to miss my first live Sasso-owned VOP horse race today (excluding
Unsold's Fairgrounds races). Maybe that'll bring us some luck.
I'm still gonna make it over to Arlington Trackside to watch the race. If
anyone cares to join me for a cocktail, meet over by the bar. I'll buy.
Good luck to Lady Lomond. Let's hope she has a safe trip and earns us a
little cash.
-Mike Sasso-
________________________________________________________
To: virtual-owners@vop.org@INTERNET
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com@INTERNET on Tue, Sep 30, 1997 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: Paparouna? [2708] [2709]
On Sep 30, 8:43am, CRAZZYB@aol.com wrote:
> Subject: Paparouna? [2708]
> How's the kid doin? Haven't heard much about her since the race. Any
upcoming
> works or races?
She's doing OK. Sorry for the infor drought over
the past couple days, but it's been hectic at work. I'll
see Liane today at the track and get an update on all the
horses and post tonight.
Cal
>
> Bob J
>-- End of excerpt from CRAZZYB@aol.com
VOP MAIL PAGE
30-SEP-1997 11:00:24.57
From: IN%"LCZYZNIE@allstate.com" "Len Czyzniejewski"
From: LCZYZNIE@allstate.com
Subject: Bryan Cox horse [2710]
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Somebody inquired a few weeks ago about Chicago bare Bryan Cox
owning racehorses, and what their names were. I ran accross a clipping
that said the name of one is Lavonda's Music, and it finished 3rd at Calder
about 4 weeks ago.
VOP MAIL PAGE
30-SEP-1997 08:51:12.47
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com
Subject: Re: Paparouna? [2708] [2709]
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On Sep 30, 8:43am, CRAZZYB@aol.com wrote:
> Subject: Paparouna? [2708]
> How's the kid doin? Haven't heard much about her since the race. Any upcoming
> works or races?
She's doing OK. Sorry for the infor drought over
the past couple days, but it's been hectic at work. I'll
see Liane today at the track and get an update on all the
horses and post tonight.
Cal
>
> Bob J
>-- End of excerpt from CRAZZYB@aol.com
VOP MAIL PAGE
30-SEP-1997 07:46:18.65
From: IN%"CRAZZYB@aol.com"
From: CRAZZYB@aol.com
Subject: Paparouna? [2708]
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How's the kid doin? Haven't heard much about her since the race. Any upcoming
works or races?
Bob J
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29-SEP-1997 21:57:53.06
From: IN%"elvis@mcs.com"
From: elvis@mcs.com
Subject: elvisware has LL 5th (a pattern is forming here) [2707]
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The numbers:
Fitness - Target of Love 10, LL 8
Ability - Piggyback Gal and Bunnybaby 10, LL 3
Class - Piggyback Gal and Bunnybaby 10, LL 1
Speed - Mon Baiser 10, LL 6
Pace - Mon Baiser 10, LL 9
Overall - Mon Baiser 24% (3/1)
- Piggyback Gal 17% (5/1)
- Target of Love 16% (5/1)
- Bunnybaby 14% (6/1)
- Lady Lomond 13% (7/1)
LL opens the 2nd favorite at 7/2. A GoodLL showing up should be able to
hit the board, but based on past performance, I'd want to see
at least 7 or 8-1 before risking much money with a wager. Mon Baiser
seems to be the overlay if the opening 6-1 holds up.
Per usual, I'm hoping it's wrong, and the cooler weather and short
distance results in a great performance.
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-SEP-1997 21:47:06.43
From: IN%"elvis@mcs.com"
From: elvis@mcs.com
Subject: Opening odds for LL race [2706]
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7TH RACE HAW SEPTEMBER 30TH - $2 EXACTA / $2 TRIFECTA $2 DAILY DOUBLE
(RACES
============================ 7 & 8)
6 1/2 FURLONGS DIRT; CLAIMING $7,500; PURSE $7,200.
FOR FILLIES AND MARES, THREE YEARS OLD AND UPWARD
NON-WINNERS
OF TWO RACES. (ILLINOIS REGISTERED CONCEIVED AND/OR
FOALED.)
Three Year Olds, 117 lbs. Older, 122 lbs. Non-winners of a
race
since August 30, 1997, allowed, 3 lbs. Since July 30, 1997,
5
lbs. A race in 1997, 8 lbs. CLAIMING PRICE $7,500.
(Claiming
races for $5,000 or less not considered in allowances.)
PROGRAM SELECTIONS: 6 - 8 -
1
# HORSE NAME ML JOCKEY WT TRAINER
MED EQP
-- ---------- -- ------ -- -------
--- ---
1 PIGGYBACK GAL 10/1 MACIAS L 112 YANEZ M
R L
2 CINDY'S PRUNE 12/1 MEZA N 114 RYAN C
A L
3 BRIGHTER THAN AIR 8/1 LAVIOLETTE S 114 SCHERBENSKE P
E L
4 LUNAR DISPLAY 9/2 VALOVICH C J 114 RAUSCH M
K L
5 BUNNYBABY 10/1 CAMPBELL J 114 BIGELOW C
E L
6 TARGET OF LOVE 5/2 GUIDRY M 112 HAMMOND
K L
7 STOPTHEGREEKMUSIC 10/1 MARQUEZ A 117 MERRITT
L L
8 LADY LOMOND 7/2 SIBILLE R 117 DAVIS L
P L
9 MON BAISER 6/1 MEIER R 112 BURGETT
R L
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-SEP-1997 19:51:35.65
From: IN%"joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com" "Pacheco, Joe"
From: joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com
Subject: On the lighter side! [2705]
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Partners,
Just finished a book I highly recommend "The Man Who Listens To Horses"
by Monty Roberts of Flag Is Up Farms. It's not a handicapping book, but
a retrospective on the life of a truly unique individual with a
different approach to breaking horses. It jumps around a bit, but is a
light and delightful read (I don't believe I just used the word
delightful). It even answers the question: Who was James Dean traveling
to see when he had his fatal accident. The book is by Random House.
Give it a read (even Crazy Eddie gave it three shot glasses!).
Joe P
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29-SEP-1997 18:00:00.52
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Lady's race [2704]
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Partners,
I figure it will take about a 45 Beyer to win this race we
will see how close I come.
With that out of the way here are the Weston Kiss of Death picks for
Lady's race......
1.Piggyback Gal---lady beat this one by 13 two back slight improvement
in her last.......I don't think so .......toss
2. cindy's prune---unusaully named horse just came off 13 months off
with a stinker....nope...toss
3. brighter than air--her best race came with an uncontested
lead.......tomorrow something like early speed tired.......another toss
4. Lunar display......Not with Cal's money...slow clunker of a
horse....noooooo....tossssss
5. Bunnybaby..........Low pct trainer....horse given the summer off
obviously the horse to beat in the slop....races in other than slop not
that good.......toss unless the track is off
6. Target of Love---ran a big race at Fairmount and the trainer decided
this horse was stakes material........wrong....much better spotted here
7.stopthegreekmusic---the vlahos special......tired in last 5..... any
reason for inprovement.....naaah.....toss
9. mon blasier---was way over her head in her comeback race....better
suited to these
8. Lady Lomond----ran good two back.......last was a horror show no run
whatsoever at 5/2 with guidry up......back to sibille
most of these horses are not very good as I go back and
review........its between the 6 and the 9 than about 3 back to Lady who
gets third by the process of elimanation......probable finish 6-9-8
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-SEP-1997 17:26:18.52
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: On the Bright Side (of TMF) [2694] [2702]
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Tom/all,
One more good point you failed to mention and It is worthy
of some note of the top 5 finshers in each division (10) total The flash
had the 3rd best final fraction of the 10. Beat only by dignify and tea
attack......Closed in 24 flat which is hauling butt for the final
furlong ....too bad he was wayyyyyyyyy out of it at 6furlongs.......he
did the first 6 in 115+...that 24 final furlong is damn good....final
times mean less in turf racing than dirt.......thats why the Beyer fig
should be taken in context with the final fraction with turf racing.
Allan
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Subject: On the Bright Side (of TMF) [2694]
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Comments: Virtual-Owners-Partnership Mailing List
Three good points:
We got away with turfway robbery Friday bringing in $1260 by having
the 12th best time of the 22 in the two N1X divisions. [1]
Unsold passed four horses [2] in the final quarter to lead the second
flight home. Being 6 1/2 behind the place horse, he might actually
believe he won, and maybe he'll do it for real next time.
He still has both the N2L and N1X condition left.
Footnotes
[1] I'm going by Cal's winning time for the first division of 1:37 4/5.
This is what the Sunday Tribune had as well, although the chart at
www.equibase.com had a time of 1:38.72.
[2] Tea Attack was the only horse Unsold failed to pass who was not in
the top 3. How does a N1X and N3L horse run a 23 4/5 final quarter in
his third mile race in as many weeks? Perhaps this horse is genuinely
the improve, but if he was chosen for a random drug test and fails,
there'd be an extra grand of purse money in it for us.
Tom
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VOP MAIL PAGE
29-SEP-1997 16:18:49.03
From: IN%"cnlcronin@voyager.net"
From: cnlcronin@voyager.net
Subject: Re: Ray Sibille [2695] [2697] [2701]
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I don't think it's so much a matter as "trusting" a jock with a horse,
i.e. its welfare, etc. They all want to get the horse home safe and
sound, and do as well as they can--it's their lives and their
livelihoods at stake. What IS important, and a matter worthy of debate,
is matching each jock's talents with those of our horses. As different
as Wes and Pappy are, it's conceivable they'd do better with different
riders.
Lynn
>If we don't trust Ray S. with Unsold, should we placing our precious
>2yo in his "care"?
>Tom C.
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-SEP-1997 16:11:34.78
From: IN%"Burgooking@aol.com"
From: Burgooking@aol.com
Subject: Re: Ray Sibille [2695] [2697] [2700]
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Partners:
While I am not a big Ray Sibille fan I feel it is necessary to look at a few
facts.
First Unsold got beat by 6 1/2 lengths not a nose, a length or two. He was
soundly beaten and was all out to get 4th.
Paparouna's stumble out of the gate had nothing to do with Sibille. The
ground
gave way and she spotted the field 5 lengths. The rest of the ride was not
great
but we should remember he was on a two year old in her first race. Not
exactly the best situation for a jock. Finally while Gomez is having a great
meeting he basically has refused every opportunity to ride for us. Guidry
certainly
has not helped Lady.
While I agree that we should have some say in who rides our horses I still
believe Liane knows the best fits! I have no problem with letting Ray ride
Paparouna again in her next out.
By the way I look for a large upside bounce for Lady in her race tomorrow.
I will go out on a limb (didn't for Paparouna) and say she's no worse than
second with a great chance for a picture!
Steve Lewis
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-SEP-1997 14:09:15.30
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: STOCK [2698]
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V's,
A VERY high RISK stock I own has finally started it's climb. Anyone with
access to an online broker "should" check it out while its still cheap.
Symbol "ATEC", trades on the nasdaq sm cap.
Nasdaq.com will do for those without.
ap
VOP MAIL PAGE
29-SEP-1997 13:14:19.06
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: Re: Ray Sibille [2695] [2697]
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Good point TC. Maybe we should indicate our preference list here!
ap
At 11:28 AM 9/29/97 -0500, you wrote:
>
>If we don't trust Ray S. with Unsold, should we placing our precious
>2yo in his "care"?
>
>Tom C.
>
>
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29-SEP-1997 13:12:14.32
From: IN%"joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com" "Pacheco, Joe"
From: joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com
Subject: Lady's race [2696]
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Partners,
Has anybody got a form and looked at Lady's race? Last I thought we
were going to do x-rays on her, but given shes running, I assume she's
OK? Any input would be appreciated.
Joe P
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29-SEP-1997 09:39:10.11
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com
Subject: Lady's Race [2692]
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Y'all,
There's an intereting collection of horses for Lady's
race. Most horses are so inconsistant, it's going to be tough
to pick the race. There's lots of speed and most of the time
those horses back up down the stretch. Depending on which
Lady Lomond shows up, this could be an excellent spot.
#1 Piggyback Gal - 3yo had some very impressive races at Spt
with a win and a second in MdSpWt company. The wheels fell
off when she went to AP and has been fading fast ever since.
Took a little vacation in July & August and it didn't help
much. One of the few in this race who has shown she can
pass other horses. Any one of her Spt races would win this
race.
#2 Cindy's Prune - Very shaky speed and year long layoff don't
inspire confidence. Only win was a perfect trip over 7f at
AP in '96.
#3 Brighter Than Air - Speedy 3yo takes a double drop and will
be gunning from the start. This is the easiest bunch she's
faced, but with all the other speed in the race, she likely
will not be able to last.
#4 Lunar Display - 4yo is 1-24 and her numbers are a touch
low. However, she is one of the few in the race who can
pass horses and there is likely to be a speed duel in the
race. Very likely to run up for a share.
#5 Bunnybaby - 4yo had some nice runs last fall at Haw, but
her return this spring was dismal. She's been off since
April and has been working reasonbly well for her return.
Her best races have come in the slop and there's no rain
in the forecast. Will probably need a race.
#6 Target of Love - Manic-depressive connections can't decide
if the horse belongs at FP or in stakes or 7N2L. She does
have a good lick of speed and the barn has already won three
races at Hawthorne. Gets leading rider, Guidry, but looks
to be hooked in a speed duel.
#7 Stopthegreekmusic - Her best races have come when she's
close to the pace. She won't get close to the front runners
in this heat, so look for her to stalk the pace. The front
end of the field should be backing up and she'll be in the
mix at the end.
#8 Lady Lomond - Which horse will show up today? The effort
two races back would win over this bunch. Gets Sibille back
up and should lay just behind a speed duel. If she can get
clear in the stretch, she might be tough to catch.
#9 Mon Baiser - The speediest of othe speedy. Lots of gas
and get speed rider Meier for the ride. Took two months off
over the summer and was well beaten in her return after show-
ing excellent speed. Takes a big drop and could clear this
bunch with a good break.
I think the race hinges on whether Mon Baiser can
clear the field. If she does, then she'll probably win
the race. If she gets pushed from some of the horses on
the inside and has to go wide on the turn, I think the race
sets up well for the closers. Speed has been holding well
at Hawthorne for the first couple of weeks and I don't see
it changing. I'll take Mon Baiser to win with Lady Lomond
running up for second.
Cal
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29-SEP-1997 06:44:51.61
From: IN%"Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com" "Cal Jestice"
From: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com
Subject: September Cash Call [2689]
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Y'all,
Here's the cash call for September. It's a little
late, but I wanted to give as many horses a chance to
run in September as possible. Please get your checks
to me by the 13th of October.
Cal
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Itsy Unsold Lady KLH Nat Papa Late Total
Mark Alesia 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Cary Arbour 0 0 0 29 60 0 89
Al Avino 0 0 0 0 121 45 166
Charles Baker 0 0 0 0 0 27 27
Darrel Becker 0 0 0 72 76 18 165
Terry Bjork 0 0 120 29 60 32 241
Ed Blachaniec 0 0 0 0 0 45 45
Ed Blair 0 0 0 0 60 0 60
Bob Bowman 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Brian Brandt 0 0 0 29 0 0 29
Steve Brannon 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Sean Callahan 0 0 0 72 0 0 72
Joe Calvo 0 0 216 0 303 99 618
Tom Channic 0 0 0 29 0 18 47
Lynn Cronin 0 0 0 0 0 18 18
Terry Crozier 0 0 0 0 60 0 60
Len Czyzniejewski 0 0 72 43 0 23 137
Eric Dawson 0 0 0 0 0 18 18
Debbie Derlacki 0 0 0 43 0 18 61
Eugene Derlacki 0 0 0 0 0 23 23
Mark DeVine 0 0 120 29 0 0 14 163
Mike Fein 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Jim Fitzwater 0 0 0 0 0 45 45
Ken Grace 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Greg Gulliver 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Dale Herman 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Bob Hillebrand 0 0 0 29 60 0 89
Drew Ivan 0 0 0 0 0 18 18
Chris Jenner 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Cal Jestice 0 0 192 29 0 18 239
Bob Jungles 0 0 48 0 0 18 66
Barbara Kalbfell 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Gary Laabs 0 0 48 29 0 0 77
Steve Lewis 0 0 120 214 303 90 727
Paul Loopo 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Larry Marcus 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
John Martynus 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Steve Moses 0 0 48 29 60 0 137
Steve Myrick 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Dan Neurock 0 0 0 71 0 0 71
Steve Ohnsman 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Steve Ostman 0 0 240 0 0 0 240
Joe Pacheco 0 0 48 29 76 54 206
Anthony Palermo 0 0 0 71 303 144 518
Bart Palmisano 0 0 0 43 0 18 61
Ken Paulsen 0 0 0 0 0 0 14 14
Dave Polewka 0 0 240 0 0 0 240
Bob Procaccinni 0 0 0 0 0 72 72
Dale Ripley 0 0 0 0 76 0 76
Jen Roth 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Mike Sasso 0 0 48 0 0 0 48
Kent Saunders 0 0 0 0 60 0 60
Bob Schaefer 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Terry Schank 0 0 0 0 0 23 23
Brian Schartz 0 0 0 0 0 0 120 120
Scott Siddall 0 0 0 0 0 18 18
Karen Simpson 0 0 0 0 0 18 18
Robert Steinberg 0 0 0 0 60 0 60
Nick Urso 0 0 0 0 0 18 18
Dave Verret 0 0 0 29 0 18 47
Chuck Wessel 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Allan Weston 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Mike White 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Jeff Yelke 0 0 72 57 60 27 217
Karan Zaranka 0 0 168 0 0 18 186
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28-SEP-1997 18:50:10.43
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: Re: Gomez and other jocks [2670] [2671] [2677] [2686] [2687] [2688]
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Ed/all,
I will agree with you Ed....my knowledge of the Chicago jocks
is limited and that Liane knows them better than most if not all the
owners. However I know when a horse is giving his all and responding to
a jock. When Silva rode Itsy she was a different animal than when
Sibille rode her the last time...she responded for him
and didn't respond the same way for Sibille....Same scenerio for unsold
he responded for Bourque and Sampson (even when he finished 6th for her
he got him to run a liittle bit if she had guts that race she finishs 3
or 4th) and not to Sibille. Not to say Sibille is a bad jock he's just
not a good fit on either Itsy or theflash IMHO....others may differ but
this is what I believe in my heart.
Allan
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From: Ed Blachaniec
Subject: Re: Gomez and other jocks [2670] [2671] [2677] [2686] [2687]
To: ChgoRanger@aol.com
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Paying one's salary does not equate to knowing the jocks if you are not
a trainer. ED B.
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28-SEP-1997 15:40:27.10
From: IN%"ChgoRanger@aol.com"
From: ChgoRanger@aol.com
Subject: Re: Gomez and other jocks [2670] [2671] [2677] [2686]
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In a message dated 97-09-27 11:13:01 EDT, Joe P. wrote:
<< Hey Ed,
If you worked for me, and I paid your salary, you can bet I'd have some
say in the way you ran the business.
Joe P
>>
Roger that!!!
Sean
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27-SEP-1997 23:08:53.08
From: IN%"ChicoMaki@aol.com"
From: ChicoMaki@aol.com
Subject: Allan's jocks [2685]
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Allan wrote:
>>2. Bourque---made a nicely timed move with the flash two back---that
race made a believer out of me...put him on a let em go<<
What impressed my was the way he split horses with the pud and made a bold
move at the top of the stretch. Liane has to continuously tell Sibille to
keep Unsold on the outside of the other horses because Sibille tends to get
him stopped when he gets in traffic. Bourque just found a hole and kept
going.
>>3. Sampson---the only other jock who got run from the flash unfortunetly
she's got pinned on the rail in the flash's next and cost him a couple
of placings<<
She got pinned and didn't have the guts to go through a hole. That's the
negative. But I agree that she got him to run better than any of the other
jocks we've put up.
-Mike Sasso-
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27-SEP-1997 22:11:38.58
From: IN%"kgrace@injersey.com" "Ken Grace"
From: kgrace@injersey.com
Subject: Re: Jock discussion [2684]
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Allan Weston wrote:
> Here are my selections for jocks
> Itsy:
> 1. Romero--obviously knows Itsy got her to run when everyone was giving
> up on her...riding in florida now.....so this is so much a dream
>
> 2. Guidry--got some run out of her last year
> we haven't put him back on due to him having prior commitments
>
> 3. Silva--another jock thats gotten run out of her
I'll stick by my knee-jerk reaction after Itsy's last race, that is,
can't we get Silva back on Itsy?
Ken G.
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27-SEP-1997 19:53:15.09
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: jock discussion [2679] [2683]
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Partners,
Here are my selections for jocks
Itsy:
1. Romero--obviously knows Itsy got her to run when everyone was giving
up on her...riding in florida now.....so this is so much a dream
2. Guidry--got some run out of her last year
we haven't put him back on due to him having prior commitments
3. Silva--another jock thats gotten run out of her
The flash:
1. Jose Velez Jr--Only jock to win with Unsold which is a miracle in
itself...is a tremendously underated grass jock has good timing which
probably explains why he got him home. Unsold needs proper rating. He is
riding in Jersey now
maybe I could make it worth his while to come to Chicago to tahe the
mount
2. Bourque---made a nicely timed move with the flash two back---that
race made a believer out of me...put him on a let em go
3. Sampson---the only other jock who got run from the flash unfortunetly
she's got pinned on the rail in the flash's next and cost him a couple
of placings
Notice that I omitted the tracks leading jock
fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. He stiffed us
twice which is enough for me to blackball him off my two horses. Screw
him and the horse he came in on.
Oh thats right he didn't take that mount
Allan
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From: ChicoMaki@aol.com
Subject: jock discussion [2679]
To: virtual-owners@vop.org
Message-id: <970927151705_2087747871@emout16.mail.aol.com>
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Partners:
Sorry if i created a thread about how to run a business. I was just trying to
create some fun/lively discussion about the best jocks for our horses. It's
been fun watching the different jocks ride our horses. I think that each of
us now probably has a preference for a particular jock for their horse. It's
kinda neat that i wouldn't have even thought of Curt Borque as one of our
jocks a couple months ago, but now he has sort of won me over as one of my
preferred jocks. Guidry i don't trust. Shane is the nicest jock I've met.
Gomez is just awesome this year. You really have to be out at AP a few days a
week to really appreciate how well he is riding. He is a very well rounded
jock, not one-dimensional at all.
Anyhow, I've posted who i thought are the best candidates for the 2 horses i
own a part of. I'd like to hear who other partners favor. Then, like Cal
said, hopefully we can submit a list of preferred jocks to Liane for each
horse. We do realize that it's difficult for Liane to always get a preferred
jock and I certainly would respect her decision to choose a jock not on the
list because of circumstances beyond her control.
-Mike Sasso-
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27-SEP-1997 19:19:59.36
From: IN%"BobProc@aol.com"
From: BobProc@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: Re: jock discussion [2679] [2682]
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In a message dated 9/28/97 10:13:27 AM, BobProc wrote:
<>
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Forwarded message:
Subj: Re: jock discussion [2679]
Date: 97-09-27 20:13:27 EDT
From: BobProc
To: ChicoMaki
All,
Preferred jocks for the horse I have ownership in, Paparouna:
1. Garrett Gomez - I don't understand why he won't ride for us. Best jockey
on the grounds, by far.
2. Curt Bourque - I like the way he gets into a horse down the lane.
3. Carlos Silva - Veteran gets the most from his mounts and gets a good trip
most times.
Otherwise, I'll take Chris McCarron, Eddie Delahoussaye, or Gary Stevens, in
that order.
Bob P.
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27-SEP-1997 17:20:27.88
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: RE: Gomez and other jocks [2670] [2671] [2677] [2681]
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At 10:11 AM 9/27/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Hey Ed,
>If you worked for me, and I paid your salary, you can bet I'd have some
>say in the way you ran the business.
>Joe P
I agree completely, and furthermore...........................................
.................... (coments omitted for obvious reasons).
ps: allen, this key is very convenient........
ap
>
>>----------
>>From: Ed Blachaniec[SMTP:trifectawinner@sprintmail.com]
>>Sent: Saturday, September 27, 1997 10:10 AM
>>To: ChicoMaki@aol.com
>>Cc: virtual-owners@vop.org
>>Subject: Re: Gomez and other jocks [2670] [2671]
>>
>>IMO.....I want our trainer to choose our jocks, place our horses and do
>>whatever necessary to operate our stable. I surely would not want any
>>trainer telling me how to conduct my company's business. I make all of
>>my own decisions. Happy Trails. ED B.
>>
>
>
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27-SEP-1997 16:32:48.67
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Lady's racing [2680]
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Partners,
Well I guess this answers Gary's question.....How did the
x-rays come out....Lady racing Tuesday the 30 at Hawthorne in the 7th
race.......VOP's first at Hawthorne in the new season.....go lady go!!!1
Allan
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27-SEP-1997 14:20:19.40
From: IN%"ChicoMaki@aol.com"
From: ChicoMaki@aol.com
Subject: jock discussion [2679]
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Partners:
Sorry if i created a thread about how to run a business. I was just trying to
create some fun/lively discussion about the best jocks for our horses. It's
been fun watching the different jocks ride our horses. I think that each of
us now probably has a preference for a particular jock for their horse. It's
kinda neat that i wouldn't have even thought of Curt Borque as one of our
jocks a couple months ago, but now he has sort of won me over as one of my
preferred jocks. Guidry i don't trust. Shane is the nicest jock I've met.
Gomez is just awesome this year. You really have to be out at AP a few days a
week to really appreciate how well he is riding. He is a very well rounded
jock, not one-dimensional at all.
Anyhow, I've posted who i thought are the best candidates for the 2 horses i
own a part of. I'd like to hear who other partners favor. Then, like Cal
said, hopefully we can submit a list of preferred jocks to Liane for each
horse. We do realize that it's difficult for Liane to always get a preferred
jock and I certainly would respect her decision to choose a jock not on the
list because of circumstances beyond her control.
-Mike Sasso-
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27-SEP-1997 13:50:03.09
From: IN%"milesm@slewpy.drf.com"
From: milesm@slewpy.drf.com
Subject: StableMail -- Lady Lomond [2678]
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This is a notice from the Daily Racing Form's online StableMail which
informs you when certain horses will be running in the near future. You
are receiving this message because Lady Lomond is entered to run in the 7th
race at Hawthorne Park on September 30, 1997. For more information about
the race, be sure to check out Daily Racing Form's web site at
http://www.drf.com/ or view the entries for this race at
http://www.drf.com/entries/30/.html.
You also wrote the following notes about this horse:
Other Information About this Race
---------------------------------
Race Type: Illinois Registered, Conceived And/or Foaled
Claiming Price for Lady Lomond (if applicable): 7,500
Surface: Dirt
Distance: 6 1/2 Furlongs
Jockey: Sibille R
Post Position: 8
# of horses in race: 9
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If you'd like to remove Lady Lomond from your list of horses to watch,
go to the StableMail removal form at http://www.drf.com/stablemail/remove.html.
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27-SEP-1997 09:58:22.89
From: IN%"jeffy@megsinet.net" "Jeff Yelke"
From: jeffy@megsinet.net
Subject: Last bit on the Stones [2676]
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All,
One last tidbit on the Stones thursday and Terry's
She's a Rainbow.
There was a review in the Tribune which basically says the
same as Terry said. The thursday show was much better.
It also said they went way back to perform She's a Rainbow,
which Mick said was the first time they ever ever did
it in concert!
So there you have it...you can say Terry influenced the Stones!! :)
Jeff
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27-SEP-1997 09:12:32.48
From: IN%"glaabs@isd.net" "Gary Laabs"
From: glaabs@isd.net
Subject: Lady Lomond [2674]
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Cal,
Did Lady Lomonds X-rays come out ok? How do the races at Hawthorne
look for her? Any more news on possible plans for this horse?
Gary
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27-SEP-1997 08:50:56.63
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: Re: Gomez and other jocks [2670] [2671] [2672]
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Ed/all,
Part of the VOP experince is (at least for me) is this list.
I, as an owner in my horses have a right to jock selection input....just
as you have the right to express your opionion that the trainer should
select all jocks,races and eveerything else for us. Mike was merely
stating his preference for jocks for horses he owns....sibille is NOT a
good fit on Unsold (I think that goes without saying).....Jock selection
should be with the MP input (representing the owners opionions) along
with trainer input..not one in exclusion of the other......
Allan.
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From: Ed Blachaniec
Subject: Re: Gomez and other jocks [2670] [2671]
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IMO.....I want our trainer to choose our jocks, place our horses and do
whatever necessary to operate our stable. I surely would not want any
trainer telling me how to conduct my company's business. I make all of
my own decisions. Happy Trails. ED B.
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26-SEP-1997 23:30:48.45
From: IN%"ChicoMaki@aol.com"
From: ChicoMaki@aol.com
Subject: Gomez and other jocks [2670]
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Cal wrote:
>>and Gomez declined the ride<<
Geez, this guy is really beginning to piss me off. Can't understand why he'd
rather not ride at all than take the mount. Wes did not look bad on paper at
all. He didn't look too bad on the track either.
With that said, I'd still love to see Gomez ride the pud.
I think we could do a better job in selecting jocks that compliment our
horses running style. IMO, Ray is not the right jock for Unsold and Guidry
shouldn't be riding Lady Lomond. My preferences for LL and Unsold are as
follows:
Lady Lomond: 1) Sibille
2) Gomez
3) Laviolette
4) Diaz (might not be available to us - shares in
ownership of horses with Reavis and me thinks he rides exclusively for
only a few trainers)
Unsold: 1) Gomez
2) Guidry
3) Borque
4) Fires (yikes! can't stand the guy but he's still
king of the turf and can show some patience with closers at times)
What's everyone else think...
-Mike Sasso-
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26-SEP-1997 21:33:49.44
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Another bad ride by Sibille [2669]
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Partners,
Hope the flash is OK after the bad step
the front runners slowed down the pace...we had trouble running down my
100-1 shot a6250 claimer........ray did n'thave a clue....toss him off I
ain't saying we would have won but don't run a 115 6furlongs and expect
to be in the money in a mile race on the turf ain't gonna happen
we bank 1260 for the race......we still treading water with the
flash........we need a win bad,,,,,,maybe he'll be ready for that
20knw1l claimer on 10/9.....thats 13 days away but maybe he won't be
ready ya can't go to the well too often........my pre race predictions
were 5-4-1-8-9 the offical finish was 1-4-2-5-10......just like the
flash not bad but too terribly good either........oh well good night all
Allan
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26-SEP-1997 20:40:07.18
From: IN%"RTBOWMAN@prodigy.net"
From: RTBOWMAN@prodigy.net
Subject: Unsold's Race [2668]
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Unsold finished on the upper half of where I exected him so I'm happy
with his effort.
Digify and Micanopy were there but I was counting on the trainer
pulling an upset with Returning Star. Glad I didn't go to the track and
bet it!
Where did Returning Star finish? Did he show anything at all?
Bob B.
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26-SEP-1997 20:08:33.23
From: IN%"Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com" "Cal Jestice"
From: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com
Subject: Flash's Dash [2667]
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Y'all,
The weather was great today at AP, but that's about
where it stopped. I got to Arlington a little before five and couldn't
find any partners at the track. I watched the 6th (the other N1X)
be won by a 30-1 shot closing up the rail. The fractions were
respectable 47:3, 1:13:1, 1:37:4 and I thought this bode well
for the Flash.
I met up with Mark Alesia during the 7th race and I
got the low-down on the dates hearing for 1998 in Illinois. With
AP out of the picture, Spt & Haw got all the dates. A few weeks
got trimmed off the ends of the season to prevent horses from
racing in some exceptionally nasty weather. Overnight purse
projections are put at $200,000/day which is a 33% increase
over what is given now.
A few more partners drifted in before Unsold's race
and we had a decent turn-out for the day. Flash came into
the paddock looking calm and alert. He was very well behaved
during the pre-race hoo-hah. The Kentucky shipper, Dances,
looked fabulous in the paddock. He was exceptionally muscled
and had dapples over most of his body. I started to think that
Bourque had made the right decision on spinning us for this
horse[1].
Ray came to the paddock and Liane told Ray to keep
Unsold a bit off the pace and out of trouble. Ray acknowledged
he moved Unsold way too fast the last time and would try to
get one long steady run out of him. Liane boosted Ray into the
saddle.
Most all the horses looked good on the track with Dances
acting like he owned the joint. Everyone loaded without troulbe,
but when the starter tried to open the gate, it didn't. The bell went
off and the horses crashed into the doors, but they didn't open.
One of the assistant started hopped down and reconnected the
starters remote control and the race started for real. Unsold came
out clean and Ray dropped him down to the rail early. Unsold
stayed in the clear under a strong hold from Ray, but he was
falling too far behind a slow pace. After a half of 48:2, Ray started
moving Unsold up on the turn and had him rolling coming into the
stretch. However, the pace had been so slow, the race was over
for the Flash and Ray was all out to get fourth. The final time was
the same and the top three finishers had been up on the pace for
the whole race.
Unsold came off the race fine although he did take a bad
step down the stretch. Liane was very unhappy with Ray's ride
and hopes we can get Curt to take the call next time out.
Cal
Footnotes:
1. Curt Bourque's agent had promised the ride on Unsold, but
spun us at the last moment because he "supposedly" had given
the promise months ago to the trainer of Dances. By the time
Liane got the news, Mark and Shane had other calls and Gomez
declined the ride. Dances threw another stinker of a race and
finished dead last. Curt is riding My Blue Dawn tomorrow and I'm
going to tell him we could have used him on Unsold and see his
reaction.
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26-SEP-1997 19:53:18.95
From: IN%"cnlcronin@voyager.net"
From: cnlcronin@voyager.net
Subject: Wes' Race [2666]
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Arlington webpage says 1-4-2...that's all I know.
(Jeez, I hate these kinds of e-mail!) :/
Lynn
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26-SEP-1997 11:44:22.27
From: IN%"joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com" "Pacheco, Joe"
From: joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com
Subject: Wagering on race 8 [2663]
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Partners,
Is the 8th race a trifecta race at Arlington? It does say in the DRF
program. Also, is there Quinella wagering? Thanks
Joe P
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26-SEP-1997 11:37:05.81
From: IN%"chris.jenner@apropos.com"
From: chris.jenner@apropos.com
Subject: Re: Post time? [2660] [2662]
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6:01PM CDT.
At 12:21 PM 9/26/97 -0500, MR JOSEPH A CALVO wrote:
>Anybody have an approx. post time for the Flash today? Go Wes!!!!!
>Thks Joe
>
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26-SEP-1997 11:34:34.77
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com
Subject: Re: Cal's Silence? [2657] [2661]
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On Sep 26, 10:23am, Pacheco, Joe wrote:
> Subject: Cal's Silence? [2657]
> Cal,
> You have been awful quiet out there. No prediction on MF's race? No
> shots at Big Al! Did you go out with Terry and take mind altering drugs
> at the Stones concert?
No Stones for me. Been busy with the psychos at work
and haven't had time to babble about the race.
The only horse I think we need to worry about is Dances.
Bourque chose this one over The Flash. I saw Dances last race
and it looked as bad on the track as it does on paper. However,
they did take a little more time and put some solid works into
him.
Cal
> Joe P
>
>-- End of excerpt from Pacheco, Joe
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26-SEP-1997 11:24:15.42
From: IN%"RBDN74A@prodigy.com"
From: RBDN74A@prodigy.com
Subject: Post time? [2660]
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Anybody have an approx. post time for the Flash today? Go Wes!!!!!
Thks Joe
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26-SEP-1997 11:23:06.14
From: IN%"chris.jenner@apropos.com"
From: chris.jenner@apropos.com
Subject: Re: thanks for your assistance! [2658] [2659]
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So was "She's a Rainbow" great? Most other songs on the list, I had heard
them play live, either in person or on record. But not SAR. What was runner
up?
At 10:51 AM 9/26/97 -0500, Terry Bjork wrote:
>
>When I left work yesterday, "She's A Rainbow" had a comfortable 32% to
>17% lead. By the time they pulled up the page during the show to see
>which song had won, it just narrowly squeaked out a 18% to 17% for
>the runner-up victory. So you guys put it over the top! Way to go.
>
>Thursday's show was fantastic. Much MUCH better than Tuesday's. If
>you read any bad reviews of Tuesday's show, just forget 'em, and go
>out and see the band when they're in your town. Last night they were on
>fire, and I'd expect them to keep it up for the rest of the tour.
>
>No that wasn't me and my friends yelling archaic slogans, and no
>that wasn't me on ER.
>
>Drew wrote:
>
>>FWIW, I also voted for She's a Rainbow. Now I'm waiting
>>for Virgin Records to start sending unsolicited email to
>>the email address I put in there.
>
>Well ... yes that could happen. I hope not. If they do just tell them to
>take
>you off the list.
>
>Thanks again to all. I really appreciate your effort, and loved the song.
>
>obRacing: Go Wes!
>
>Terry
>
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26-SEP-1997 10:53:18.23
From: IN%"tlbjor@searle.monsanto.com"
From: tlbjor@searle.monsanto.com
Subject: thanks for your assistance! [2658]
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When I left work yesterday, "She's A Rainbow" had a comfortable 32% to
17% lead. By the time they pulled up the page during the show to see
which song had won, it just narrowly squeaked out a 18% to 17% for
the runner-up victory. So you guys put it over the top! Way to go.
Thursday's show was fantastic. Much MUCH better than Tuesday's. If
you read any bad reviews of Tuesday's show, just forget 'em, and go
out and see the band when they're in your town. Last night they were on
fire, and I'd expect them to keep it up for the rest of the tour.
No that wasn't me and my friends yelling archaic slogans, and no
that wasn't me on ER.
Drew wrote:
>FWIW, I also voted for She's a Rainbow. Now I'm waiting
>for Virgin Records to start sending unsolicited email to
>the email address I put in there.
Well ... yes that could happen. I hope not. If they do just tell them to
take
you off the list.
Thanks again to all. I really appreciate your effort, and loved the song.
obRacing: Go Wes!
Terry
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26-SEP-1997 10:27:18.21
From: IN%"joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com" "Pacheco, Joe"
From: joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com
Subject: Cal's Silence? [2657]
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Cal,
You have been awful quiet out there. No prediction on MF's race? No
shots at Big Al! Did you go out with Terry and take mind altering drugs
at the Stones concert?
Joe P
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26-SEP-1997 06:50:47.35
From: IN%"drew@ctnet.com" "Drew"
From: drew@ctnet.com
Subject: Have you seen her all in gold? [2654]
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> How was the Stone's concert, Terry? I read in the
>paper that there was a group of grey-haired old guys
>smokin' some wacky weed and yelling archaic slogans.
>That wasn't you and you're band of crazy cohorts, was
>it? Groovimus to the maximus!
FWIW, I also voted for She's a Rainbow. Now I'm waiting
for Virgin Records to start sending unsolicited email to
the email address I put in there.
Did anyone catch ER Live last night? They brought a guy
into the Emergency Room that they found O.D.'ed outside
the Stones concert. (It didn't look like Terry, though.)
And I said "Hey! The Stones _are_ playing in Chicago
tonight."
Also, they had the Cubs game on, and I'm not sure if it
was happening live, but at one point they said the score
was "7-1, Cubs down, bottom of the 7th", which is a score
that certainly could fit with the actual final score of
9-1.
Did anyone else catch any other synchronies between ER Live
and real life?
====================================================
I think someone should invent Beerguard, because how
often do you actually spill scotch on the carpet?
-- Chris Sampson
----------------------------------------------------
Drew Ivan drew@ctnet.com
====================================================
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25-SEP-1997 21:57:55.20
From: IN%"bspryszak@sprynet.com"
From: bspryszak@sprynet.com
Subject: Unsold wins [2653]
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And here's why:
http://www.keyrace.com/free.htm
Bob Spryszak
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25-SEP-1997 21:48:58.90
From: IN%"chris.jenner@apropos.com"
From: chris.jenner@apropos.com
Subject: Re: DRF picks [2649] [2652]
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I think I Remember a question but no answer about tomorrow's post time.
Post time for 26Sep97-8AP is listed in the DRF as 6:01 PM CDT.
At 08:44 PM 9/25/97 -0400, Allan Weston wrote:
>Partners
> I forgot to note the DRF picks for tommorows race......Its
>quite a hodgepdge
>Hermis likes Unsold to win and the Trackman has us for third Sweep has
>us for 5th at 8-1 with the comment "closer may rally" talk about going
>out on the limb....anyway the featured picker Kristen Sadler........has
>nary a mention about the flash....talks about Dances says he is a class
>allowance horse...forgive me the editoral but I think the phrase is WAS
>a class allowance horse getting smashed by second raters last out does
>not exactly bode well for him tomorrw
>oh and the "consensus" a misnomer if ever there was one there are
>9different horses mentioned in the top three talk about a wide open
>race.....oh the flash gets second in the consesus with 6 points no best
>bets in this race
>
> Allan
>
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25-SEP-1997 21:41:27.22
From: IN%"chris.jenner@apropos.com"
From: chris.jenner@apropos.com
Subject: Re: Stones(d) Concert [2645] [2651]
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Tonight and Tuesday were far and away the most exciting things to happen in
Soldier Field since 1985, and probably will be for several years to come
(or until McCaskey croaks).
At 06:22 PM 9/25/97 -0500, Sunwalker Ostrich Ranch wrote:
>Terry (and all)
> How was the Stone's concert, Terry? I read in the
>paper that there was a group of grey-haired old guys
>smokin' some wacky weed and yelling archaic slogans.
>That wasn't you and you're band of crazy cohorts, was
>it? Groovimus to the maximus!
> Ed " should have been there" Blair
>
>
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25-SEP-1997 19:47:15.54
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: DRF picks [2649]
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Partners
I forgot to note the DRF picks for tommorows race......Its
quite a hodgepdge
Hermis likes Unsold to win and the Trackman has us for third Sweep has
us for 5th at 8-1 with the comment "closer may rally" talk about going
out on the limb....anyway the featured picker Kristen Sadler........has
nary a mention about the flash....talks about Dances says he is a class
allowance horse...forgive me the editoral but I think the phrase is WAS
a class allowance horse getting smashed by second raters last out does
not exactly bode well for him tomorrw
oh and the "consensus" a misnomer if ever there was one there are
9different horses mentioned in the top three talk about a wide open
race.....oh the flash gets second in the consesus with 6 points no best
bets in this race
Allan
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25-SEP-1997 19:24:05.07
From: IN%"cnlcronin@voyager.net"
From: cnlcronin@voyager.net
Subject: Thanks Joe [2648]
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Hey, Joe, thanks for sending the video. Add a couple of win photos, and
my multi-media VOP collection will be complete!
You listening, Flash?
Lynn
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25-SEP-1997 19:05:52.09
From: IN%"Sunwalker@warpnet.net" "Sunwalker Ostrich Ranch"
From: Sunwalker@warpnet.net
Subject: Nat's next [2646]
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Partners
I'm glad Liane still wants to give Nat another try
on the lawn. I've been hoping a 7.5f race that would
fit her would come along. This one may be at a leeetle
bit tougher level than I'd have preferred. But, hey, she's
well rested and lookin' for some butt to kick! I'm happy
if she goes in the 6f race at AP also. Oct. 4 is on a Sat.
so we could make the race and celebrate our wedding
anniversary at the same time. Maybe I'm just easy to please!
Later
Ed "we're racing" Blair
P.S. Good Luck to Wesley and his connections
tomorrow! Does anyone know the expected post-time?
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25-SEP-1997 19:05:35.45
From: IN%"Sunwalker@warpnet.net" "Sunwalker Ostrich Ranch"
From: Sunwalker@warpnet.net
Subject: Stones(d) Concert [2645]
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Terry (and all)
How was the Stone's concert, Terry? I read in the
paper that there was a group of grey-haired old guys
smokin' some wacky weed and yelling archaic slogans.
That wasn't you and you're band of crazy cohorts, was
it? Groovimus to the maximus!
Ed " should have been there" Blair
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25-SEP-1997 19:05:05.89
From: IN%"Sunwalker@warpnet.net" "Sunwalker Ostrich Ranch"
From: Sunwalker@warpnet.net
Subject: How'd Lynn do? [2644]
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All
We all know how Paparouna's race turned out. But I
believe Lynn C. was also competing with her 4-legged
partner that day. How'd you do, Lynn? Inquiring minds
want to know!
Ed Blair
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25-SEP-1997 17:44:06.32
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: Unsold's race [2643]
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Partners,
Ahhhh there's nothing better than a virgin Racing Form
calling for me to buy it at my local outlet.....Handicapping
horses......the art of selecting a winner at a good price.....the sweet
essence of newsprint.....but I digress.....Here are the Weston Kiss of
Death selections for Unsolds race tomorrow
1. DIGNIFY---Not enough stock for CD but plenty for AP......Clunked up
for 3rd last out
was never a threat to the top 2........Lavoillte replaces Borque
definite negative change
Low pct trainer needs alot to get this one home
I'll be giving him a third
2. Micanopy---Jock will have to try and rein in his speed that 111 flat
was too much for him last out and he paid the price in the
stretch...should have the lead at the start unless someone else REALLY
wants it than this one will stalk.........has never won on turf.....I
will toss
3. Li'lrayolight---Just broke maiden in a slow time...the final fraction
wasn't horrid but will have a lot to prove against this bunch...tossaroo
4. Tea Attack---Sibille abandons this one for another one...Macias is
the 5th different jock in the last 5 races...Was beaten by Unsold last
turf race by 1 length
6. Dances---someone shelled out 150k for this one as a
yearling..oooops.......Ran against some tough ones in NY last
year.....came off an extended vacation and ran bad......but of course so
did Unsold......might need another couple to get his sea legs under him
again.....toss
7. Siberian Sun--was beaten by unsold by 5 with no excuse......toss
8. Returning Star---Must have a problem broke his maiden on the turf at
the beginniing of August and has be inactive except for a couple of slow
works
9. Kozak---who loves ya,baby.......ah...that was KOJAK...anyway......The
amoss and Guidry special.....A 4 year old with 3 starts...has been
training decently....Amoss horses ALWAYS take money when well meant so
we shall see
10. Priviso---Has had a long (he's 7) and undistingished
career.......yeah I see the trainer talking to the owner about this
one.......He just ran 3rd in a 6,250 claiming race on the DIRT
lets try him on the turf......A surface he's never won on.......we are
sure to win..........at about 100-1 or so....we have darken his form
enough
to cash a nice bet..........all this and an outside post
too.........WKOD auto toss
11.Legion of Doom---another Ellis Park maiden turf winner.......the big
question how's he gonna work his way to get the trip he needs to contend
(with JC DEEGAN of all jocks) ....give me the proverbial
break............toss
5, UNSOLD---Wheels back after a sharp race last out 12 days ago...sans
Borque who decided that Dances is the horse to beat. Sibille back on.
Must have more patiance than two back when he moved too early and
hung.....should be there at the end
Well sports fans we caught the much easier division of this
race........there are some nice horses here but no worldbeaters......The
flash hasn't caught too many breaks so far this season so maybe the
racing gods will smile on us tomorrow.........probable finish 5-4-1-8-9
raise the 9 a couple of notches if 4-1 of less
Allan
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25-SEP-1997 16:15:42.20
From: IN%"ksimpson@umich.edu" "Karen Simpson"
From: ksimpson@umich.edu
Subject: The Stones [2641]
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Hey Terry,
I don't like the Stones, but I went ahead and voted anyway. I 'm a big
Elton John fan myself and I know how it is when you really want to hear a
certain song live.
Karen.
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25-SEP-1997 12:55:37.02
From: IN%"RTBOWMAN@prodigy.net"
From: RTBOWMAN@prodigy.net
Subject: She's a Rainbow [2639]
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Terry,
Just to make it a true Chicago election I used my Prodigy Internet &
Prodigy Classic accounts and voted twice!
"She's a Rainbow" in a 29 to 18 runaway down the back stretch.
Any relation to "She Happens" ?
Bob B.
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25-SEP-1997 12:34:42.34
From: IN%"horse@sdsinfo.com" "Mark DeVine"
From: horse@sdsinfo.com
Subject: Re: help needed [2633] [2638]
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She's A Rainbow has moved out to a 28-18 lead
>This has nothing to do with horse racing, but I need some help
>from some "Internet friends".
>
>During this year's Rolling Stones Tour, the band is taking requests
>for one song per night via the Internet. Some friends and I who are
>going tonight really really really want to hear them do the song
>"She's A Rainbow".
>
>If I could talk any or all of you into logging on and voting for that
>song for me, it would be greatly appreciated.
>
>The url is http://www.virginrecords.com/the-rolling-stones/menupage/
>and then click on the Site Map thumbnail to get to the next page and
>choose Vote For a Song.
>
>I'd really appreciate it. Even if you don't see this message till after
>work,
>you can still vote up till about 9:30 CDT.
>
>Thanks,
>Terry
>
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25-SEP-1997 12:03:02.38
From: IN%"chris.jenner@apropos.com"
From: chris.jenner@apropos.com
Subject: Re: help needed [2633] [2635]
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Done. It's up to 25%. Good luck Terry.
At 11:08 AM 9/25/97 -0500, Terry Bjork wrote:
>
>This has nothing to do with horse racing, but I need some help
>from some "Internet friends".
>
>During this year's Rolling Stones Tour, the band is taking requests
>for one song per night via the Internet. Some friends and I who are
>going tonight really really really want to hear them do the song
>"She's A Rainbow".
>
>If I could talk any or all of you into logging on and voting for that
>song for me, it would be greatly appreciated.
>
>The url is http://www.virginrecords.com/the-rolling-stones/menupage/
>and then click on the Site Map thumbnail to get to the next page and
>choose Vote For a Song.
>
>I'd really appreciate it. Even if you don't see this message till after
>work,
>you can still vote up till about 9:30 CDT.
>
>Thanks,
>Terry
>
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25-SEP-1997 11:10:33.83
From: IN%"tlbjor@searle.monsanto.com"
From: tlbjor@searle.monsanto.com
Subject: help needed [2633]
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This has nothing to do with horse racing, but I need some help
from some "Internet friends".
During this year's Rolling Stones Tour, the band is taking requests
for one song per night via the Internet. Some friends and I who are
going tonight really really really want to hear them do the song
"She's A Rainbow".
If I could talk any or all of you into logging on and voting for that
song for me, it would be greatly appreciated.
The url is http://www.virginrecords.com/the-rolling-stones/menupage/
and then click on the Site Map thumbnail to get to the next page and
choose Vote For a Song.
I'd really appreciate it. Even if you don't see this message till after
work,
you can still vote up till about 9:30 CDT.
Thanks,
Terry
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24-SEP-1997 21:06:26.32
From: IN%"RTBOWMAN@prodigy.net"
From: RTBOWMAN@prodigy.net
Subject: Unsold on Friday [2631]
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At a glance
I'll call Unsold's race as follows
First - Returning Star - Won a MSW last out holding on by a head -
comes off a layoff and moves to AP for first time moving from EIP -
trainer has 1 first, 1 second, 1 third in 6 starts at AP
Second - Dignify - Moved from EIP to AP to finish 3rd a head in
front of Unsold in his last race
Third - MiCanopy - Runs up front - Drops back in distance
Unsold (3rd - 6th) - I'll call it 6th and take anything better
Bob B.
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24-SEP-1997 18:28:18.22
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: ML for the flash [2630]
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Partners,
I swear by all thats holy that a monkey could make a
better line than the ML maker at AP...7/2 for DIGNIFY 12-1 for
Unsold....we ran dignify a hd last out....he's got the rail and had a
rail trip last out but so what......he didn't challange FIT OR FIGHT
last out...UNsold did
Haven't got the PP's yet...I'll take all the Unsold I can get at
12-1...jeeez
Allan
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24-SEP-1997 17:36:52.49
From: IN%"ChgoRanger@aol.com"
From: ChgoRanger@aol.com
Subject: Re: Racing! [2626] [2629]
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In a message dated 97-09-24 14:13:08 EDT, you write:
<< Y'all,
The Miami Flash is in on Friday. It's the
8th race, Sibille is up.
Cal >>
is post time still 3:00 PM on Fridays???
Sean
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24-SEP-1997 14:09:38.98
From: IN%"milesm@slewpy.drf.com"
From: milesm@slewpy.drf.com
Subject: StableMail -- Unsold [2627]
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This is a notice from the Daily Racing Form's online StableMail which
informs you when certain horses will be running in the near future. You
are receiving this message because Unsold is entered to run in the 8th
race at Arlington Park on September 26, 1997. For more information about
the race, be sure to check out Daily Racing Form's web site at
http://www.drf.com/ or view the entries for this race at
http://www.drf.com/entries/26/.html.
You also wrote the following notes about this horse:
Other Information About this Race
---------------------------------
Race Type: Allowance
Claiming Price for Unsold (if applicable):
Surface: About Turf
Distance: 1 Mile
Jockey: Sibille R
Post Position: 5
# of horses in race: 11
--------------------------------
If you'd like to remove Unsold from your list of horses to watch,
go to the StableMail removal form at http://www.drf.com/stablemail/remove.html.
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24-SEP-1997 13:15:06.20
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com
Subject: Racing! [2626]
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Y'all,
The Miami Flash is in on Friday. It's the
8th race, Sibille is up.
Cal
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24-SEP-1997 09:50:21.18
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com
Subject: The Scoop: 9/24/97 [2623]
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Y'all,
Not too much going on so this should be brief.
Lady Lomond has come up a little sore on her
right front ankle. Liane took some Xrays and the results
will be in today. It could be she just took a bad step
during training or she has some chips. We'll know soon.
Paparouna came off the race in good shape and
will be back to jogging in a day or so. It's still too
early to look at a date for another race, but there is
a chance she could go again at AP. Liane will have a
better idea of how soon Paparouna could race by next
week.
KLH is coming along slow and steady.
Dance Naturally came off her work in good shape
and will work again this weekend. Liane is looking at
two options for Nat. The first would be a 5N2L going
6f on the dirt at AP. The other is a 17N2L going 7.5f
on the turf at Hawthorne. Liane really wants to give
Nat another shot on the turf, but it will depend how
she comes off her next work. We'll know more next week.
Itbaya is doing great and Liane is trying to
get an extra written for another 16K race on the grass.
As soon as something good comes up as an extra, Itbaya
will be entered.
Unsold will be entered for a N1X going a flat
mile on Friday. Curt Bourque will get first call. The
Flash is feeling good and is ready to race, so let's
hope the field won't come up too tough on Friday.
Cal
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24-SEP-1997 06:58:04.87
From: IN%"Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com" "Cal Jestice"
From: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com
Subject: RE: Question RE: August Numbers [2603] [2622]
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Y'all,
The $100 shipping charge was corrected and credited
to Kristy Lynn's Halo. Thanks for the catch.
Cal
----------
From: ChgoRanger@aol.com
Sent: Monday, September 22, 1997 9:14 AM
To: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com; virtual-owners@vop.org
Subject: Question RE: August Numbers [2603]
In a message dated 97-09-22 06:08:58 EDT, Cal Wrote:
<< Lady Lomond Unsold Dance Naturally
Start Balance $566.14 $1,205.25 $527.53
Training $1,573.70 $1,626.00 $1,470.00
Vet $256.00 $186.00 $249.50
Jockey $90.00 $95.00 $0.00
Shipping $0.00 $100.00 $0.00
Photos $0.00 $0.00 $0.00
Other $61.47 $108.62 $24.62
Horse $0.00 $0.00 $0.00
Total Expenses $1,981.17 $2,115.62 $1,744.12 >>
Cal....what's the $100 "shipping" charge for Unsold?? Have I missed
something??
Sean
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23-SEP-1997 23:40:53.74
From: IN%"ccbree@uky.campus.mci.net"
From: ccbree@uky.campus.mci.net
Subject: Tid bits. [2621]
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Hello Partners,
Hope everyone and Paparouna are recovering from her first big
effort. Very encouraging to see her battle some bad luck and keep
trying. Looking forward to the next.
Dont recall seeing this info posted by anyone yet ( if it has been
sorry)..... Paparouna's yearling half brother by Silver Deputy sold for
$27,000 at the Keeneland Sale on September 10. The colt was consigned
by Three Chimneys Farm, Agent and bought by Reynolds Bell, Agent.
I also noticed that Paparouna's mama, Laurasia slipped her foal for
1997... ( maybe we should be hunting down this mare trying to buy
her.....before Paparouna wins the Oaks!!!!)
Have a great week!
Charlie Baker
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22-SEP-1997 22:32:29.11
From: IN%"BobProc@aol.com"
From: BobProc@aol.com
Subject: Paparouna's Splits [2620]
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All,
It was certainly worth the 800 mile round trip to see Paparouna in action.
(Seeing my partners again was OK, too ;-) ) For those interested, I have
Paparouna's splits as:
24.21.........47.51........100.64........1:13.94
She ran the middle quarter a half length faster than Society Belle.
Unfortunately, she was 2.5 lengths slower than SB in that "hey, wait for me,
girls!" first quarter. The final quarter was 6.5 lengths slower than the
winner, but we were outta gas at the eighth pole. Looked like she really
needed the race.
She also looked very distracted to me...very interested in all the people and
all the new sounds. Calmly taking it all in...even in the gate she was
interested in the horses on either side of her and seemed to have her head
turned left at the bell. If this keeps up, we may have a case for "blinkers
on" to keep her mind on her business. I think Paparouna learned a lot on
Sunday..."wide-eyed wonder" is how I would describe her demeanor. Overall, I
was impressed by her performance. Next time, with a little more racing luck,
we'll hit the board!
Bob (Delighted!) P.
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22-SEP-1997 22:14:26.20
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: Re: pappy 5th [2598] [2618] [2619]
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At 10:59 PM 9/22/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>In a message dated 9/22/97 6:40:36 AM, mikep@ameritech.net wrote:
>
><>
>
>Anthony and others,
>
>Does anyone know if I can get a video of the race, either from AP or from ap?
>;-)
>
Bob,
I think AP has races available on video. I taped it with my 8mm, 10 to 1
zoom and unfortunately the horses are nearly out of site until the 8th
pole.(last 12 seconds of the race) I guess 10-1 is not nearly enough at
such a big track.
ap
> Bob P.
>
>
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22-SEP-1997 22:02:37.76
From: IN%"BobProc@aol.com"
From: BobProc@aol.com
Subject: Re: pappy 5th [2598] [2618]
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In a message dated 9/22/97 6:40:36 AM, mikep@ameritech.net wrote:
<>
Anthony and others,
Does anyone know if I can get a video of the race, either from AP or from ap?
;-)
Bob P.
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22-SEP-1997 19:22:43.17
From: IN%"Sunwalker@warpnet.net" "Sunwalker Ostrich Ranch"
From: Sunwalker@warpnet.net
Subject: Sunday at the Track [2617]
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Partners
Sunday was a gorgeous day to be at the track.
Sunny sky, cool temps, friendly folks. We took
Dana's parents along for their first trip ever to a
racetrack. I think they were impressed and enjoyed
themselves. We, as usual, had a wonderful time.
There's not much I can add about the race that
hasn't already been reported.It was great to see all
the partners again.Sharing in the excitement of
Paparouna's first race was a delight!
I did pick up a couple tidbits of info while talking
to Liane back at the barn. Nat worked 4 furlongs in
48.4. Liane was very happy with that and is pointing
her towards a 6f race on Oct. 4. She also talked about
making Pappy's next attempt a mile race. All the horses
looked great and would have eaten carrots forever. Nat
is truly a pig! Wes was quite a gentleman and even
allowed me to briefly brush the soft part of his nose
in between carrots. I'll make him my friend somehow!
Again, it was great to see and visit with everyone
again. After these trips, I'm on a natural high for days!
Thanks, my friends.
Ed Blair
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22-SEP-1997 13:44:23.63
From: IN%"ksimpson@umich.edu" "Karen Simpson"
From: ksimpson@umich.edu
Subject: Paparounas Race [2616]
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Hello Everyone
What a magical Sunday. Thanks to everyone who gave their observations of
the race it nice to hear from the veterens what we newies should be looking
for when we watch a race. I'm glad to know that Pappy came out as hungry
as ever. I'm also happy to know that she was eager to race. Thank you Ed
for you offer to represent me in the winner circle.
I went to see the simulcast at Detroit Race Course with my with my brothers
and sisters and their dates. It was ladies day so much to the constrination
of my brothers we women folk of the group got in free. I was so nervous I
had to go walk around alot so I almost missed the post parade. She looked
wonderful on television I looked hard for any sign of the hives and didn't
see any. You all are right it is the best feeling in the world to see your
horse run even if they don't win. To be honest her debut turned out like I
expected so I not to disappointed I just wanted her to come out OK.
A story from my day at the simulcast center:
After the race my sister and I were standing in the gift shop talking about
Paparouna's race. The gift shop owner and his friend were listening in on
the conversation. The friend starts leafing through his daily racing form
and looks at Paparouna's information and says, " You don't have much to
worry about in the future Miss your filly well bred." I said well you just
never know but he just smiled like he knew. The gift shop owner gave me a
20% discount on my purchases because I was an owner. Boy, Life is good!!!!.
Karen.
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22-SEP-1997 09:30:30.53
From: IN%"ChgNick@aol.com"
From: ChgNick@aol.com
Subject: Paparouna's Race [2610]
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Partners,
I agree with Cal's assesment of Pappy's race. She spotted the field a
good five lengths comming out of the gate. She seemed to realize something
was wrong and took off after the other horses (always a good sign after a
miscue). She caught the field very quickly before having to check. It looked
like, had she not checked, that she would have contended for the lead. After
the check she dropped back to last and made a huge move on the rail turning
for home. In the stretch Ray did not abuse her, she finished 5th under no
urging.
I think we difinitely have a runner on are hands and await the next
race.
Nick Urso
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22-SEP-1997 09:19:41.46
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com
Subject: Re: Question RE: August Numbers [2603] [2607] [2609]
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Y'all,
That should belong to KLH. I don't have my
records at work, but I will verify this at lunchtime.
Cal
On Sep 22, 10:14am, ChgoRanger@aol.com wrote:
> Subject: Question RE: August Numbers [2603] [2607]
> In a message dated 97-09-22 06:08:58 EDT, Cal Wrote:
>
> << Lady Lomond Unsold Dance Naturally
>
> Start Balance $566.14 $1,205.25 $527.53
>
> Training $1,573.70 $1,626.00 $1,470.00
> Vet $256.00 $186.00 $249.50
> Jockey $90.00 $95.00 $0.00
> Shipping $0.00 $100.00 $0.00
> Photos $0.00 $0.00 $0.00
> Other $61.47 $108.62 $24.62
> Horse $0.00 $0.00 $0.00
> Total Expenses $1,981.17 $2,115.62 $1,744.12 >>
>
>
> Cal....what's the $100 "shipping" charge for Unsold?? Have I missed
> something??
>
> Sean
>
>-- End of excerpt from ChgoRanger@aol.com
VOP MAIL PAGE
22-SEP-1997 09:17:18.55
From: IN%"ChgoRanger@aol.com"
From: ChgoRanger@aol.com
Subject: Question RE: August Numbers [2603] [2607]
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In a message dated 97-09-22 06:08:58 EDT, Cal Wrote:
<< Lady Lomond Unsold Dance Naturally
Start Balance $566.14 $1,205.25 $527.53
Training $1,573.70 $1,626.00 $1,470.00
Vet $256.00 $186.00 $249.50
Jockey $90.00 $95.00 $0.00
Shipping $0.00 $100.00 $0.00
Photos $0.00 $0.00 $0.00
Other $61.47 $108.62 $24.62
Horse $0.00 $0.00 $0.00
Total Expenses $1,981.17 $2,115.62 $1,744.12 >>
Cal....what's the $100 "shipping" charge for Unsold?? Have I missed
something??
Sean
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22-SEP-1997 07:44:33.04
From: IN%"Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com" "Cal Jestice"
From: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com
Subject: The Scoop: 9/22/97 [2606]
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Y'all,
I've heard from all but one of the folks who are past due
on their cash calls. This is better, but I had to take some
extreme measures to do it. The September cash call will be out
in a couple of days, so be prepared.
Lady Lomond came off her race in good shape, but there was
no explanation for her poor performance. It's time to move Lady
and Liane is looking for buyers. More on this in a separate post.
Paparouna's debut was covered in a separate post, but she
came off the race in good shape. She had a typical troubled 2yo
debut race and she should learn from it. There's no time table
for her next race, but I doubt it will come before the end of AP.
The hives are gone and hopefully will stay gone, but with the
stress of the race, I won't be surprised if they're back.
KLH is happy, healthy and getting back into shape.
Dance Naturally worked four furlongs on Saturday with Ray
up. I didn't count up all the times, but it was about tenth fastest
out of forty. She did it easily, but tired a bit in the last furlong.
Liane is going to work her one more time and there race her 6f at
the beginning of October. Next work should be in a week.
Itbaya is doing well and all the rain we've had in the
past week has softened the turf course. There's nothing in
the book for Itbaya, but it looks as if the racing secretary
will write an extra 18K claimer before the end of the month.
Both Silva's and Sibille's agent have been around asking for
the ride, so that's a good sign. There should be another
race for Itbaya before the end of the month.
Unsold is doing well and Liane will put him back into
a N1X or N2L depending upon how soon he's ready and what's
available in the book. Arlington is writing a lot of extras
to compete with Hawthorne and that's killing off races in the
book. Liane doesn't want to point for something far down the
road and pass up a couple chances, only to have the target
race not fill. It's day to day with Unsold, but he should
race again before the end of AP.
Cal
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22-SEP-1997 07:44:16.23
From: IN%"Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com" "Cal Jestice"
From: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com
Subject: Paparouna's Race [2605]
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Y'all,
Y’all,
It was a beautiful day for Paparouna’s debut at Arlington.
The temperature hung just below seventy and the track had dried
from all the rain on Friday. I got to AP about 12:15 and began
staking a claim on some tables and chairs on the patio in the
west end of the paddock.
I spent about 20 minutes handicapping before the VOPsters
started showing up. Debbie Derlacki was first to show, but she
was quickly followed by more partners than I care to type out
just now. Anyhow, there were about 20 of us socializing on the
patio with about another 15 or so roaming the stands. Liane
arrived about an hour before post and answered questions until
it was time to go to the paddock.
Paparouna opened at 4-5 thanks to Steve Lewis, but drifted
up slowly until race time. She came into the paddock looking
calm and carrying no hives. Paparouna handled the crowd and
caused no fuss at anytime in the paddock. Ray came out and Liane
told him to let Paparouna find her own pace and they took off
for the track.
Paparouna took the warm up well. She was a bit startled
by the big crowd at first, but settled down well once she got
away from the grandstand. She loaded into the gate well, but
when the race started the ground broke away from her back feet
and she slid sideways and to the left as she tried to break.
Ray got her righted but by the time he did, the leaders were
already five lengths or more away. Paparouna dug in and moved
up on the inside on the backstretch. She got to about fifth
and Gomez dropped Society Belle over on Ray and he had to check
hard. Paparouna backed off and came on again, but couldn’t get
room and checked again just before the half mile pole. The rail
opened on the turn and Paparouna rushed into contention and made
it to third turning for home, but all the stopping and rushing
up had used up all of her run and she had nothing left for the
last eighth. Ray took it easy on her during the trip home and
she coasted in fifth.
Liane and Ray were happy with Paparouna’s effort, but not
the circumstances of the race. Paparouna tried hard and showed
she wants to compete. This was the first time she had even been
behind another horse and she handled it reasonably well. Papa-
rouna didn’t like having the dirt kicked up in her face and turned
her for most of the time she was inside. She did kick herself
a couple times coming out of the gate and has a cut on her right
rear coronet and a bruise just about that. Liane isn’t too
concerned about it, but she’ll keep an eye on it for the next
couple of days.
Paparouna cooled out well and ate like a fiend after the
race. I stopped by the barn about 5:30 and talked to Pancho and
he showed me the damage where Paparouna had kicked herself. It
wasn’t pretty, but it’s not as severe as it could have been.
She’ll get a few days of walking and then return to the track if
all goes well. Chances are slim she’ll race at AP again, so look
for her next start to be at Hawthorne.
Overall, it was a good learning experience for Paparouna.
She got a taste of what it is like to be behind horses and not
be the best runner in the race. She showed she wants to race
and made a couple nice moves on the track. If she can get away
clean next time, I think she’ll put in a much improved effort.
Cal
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22-SEP-1997 05:10:27.98
From: IN%"Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com" "Cal Jestice"
From: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com
Subject: August Numbers [2603]
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Y'all,
Here's the numbers for August. As always, use a non-
proportional font (i.e. courier) to get the numbers to line up.
Cal
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Aug-97 Expense and Income for VOP
Paparouna Itbaya Kristy
Start Balance $1,889.32 $1,316.22 $1,691.60
Training $1,470.00 $1,910.90 $987.00
Vet $149.00 $233.00 $0.00
Jockey $0.00 $210.00 $0.00
Shipping $0.00 $0.00 $0.00
Photos $0.00 $0.00 $0.00
Other $24.62 $229.62 $24.62
Horse $0.00 $0.00 $0.00
Total Expenses $1,643.62 $2,583.52 $1,011.62
Purse $0.00 $4,100.00 $0.00
Cash Call $1,000.00 $0.00 $1,500.00
Total Income $1,000.00 $4,100.00 $1,500.00
End Balance $1,245.70 $2,832.70 $2,179.98
Lady Lomond Unsold Dance Naturally
Start Balance $566.14 $1,205.25 $527.53
Training $1,573.70 $1,626.00 $1,470.00
Vet $256.00 $186.00 $249.50
Jockey $90.00 $95.00 $0.00
Shipping $0.00 $100.00 $0.00
Photos $0.00 $0.00 $0.00
Other $61.47 $108.62 $24.62
Horse $0.00 $0.00 $0.00
Total Expenses $1,981.17 $2,115.62 $1,744.12
Purse $737.00 $1,680.00 $0.00
Cash Call $1,500.00 $1,000.00 $1,500.00
Total Income $2,237.00 $2,680.00 $1,500.00
End Balance $821.97 $1,769.63 $283.41
VOP MAIL PAGE
21-SEP-1997 22:35:59.40
From: IN%"73774.323@compuserve.com"
From: 73774.323@compuserve.com
Subject: Paparouna's Maiden Voyage [2602]
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V's,
Perfect weather and a good turn-out of VOPsters for the kid's first race.
The obnoxious hives were said to have disappeared during the week, and sure
enough, when Poppy arrived in the paddock she looked gorgeous -- shining
coat, dappling, and NO hives. She was calm and relaxed; no sign of the
kicking reported from her paddock schooling. Post parade and loading into
the gate went just fine.
Well, then came the start. Hershell told Karan Z. and I (later, at the
barn) that when she pushed off at the start, the track just slipped under
her feet , so her hind feet went backward, instead of her body going
forward. She was scraped by the gate on one hock and got another scrape
just above her right hoof. She got going again, Ray got her over to the
rail, and she made up some ground. It looked like she might be able to
keep moving forward on the rail, but Ray had to check her when the horse
ahead of her moved railward. After this she seemed to tire a bit, but hung
in for fifth.
Karan and I went back to the barn about 4:30. Poppy seemed her usually
happy, hungry self. Hershell said that there was no sign of bleeding, and
she would be scoped again Mon. and Tues. to be sure. If all goes well,
she'll be back in training in five days.
Pancho was getting dinner ready for the gang while we wandered about,
handing out carrots. Nat and Kristy got into a stomping-and-snorting
contest, evidently hoping to intimidate Pancho into feeding them first.
Kristy was actually bouncing up and down and banging into the chains.
Guess we don't have to worry about HIS appetite! Once he got his food,
Super-Kristy reverted to *Clark Kent* mode again.
A non-contest question: who's more pooped right now, Poppy or the
Poppy-watchers?
Debby D
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21-SEP-1997 19:01:03.66
From: IN%"ldawson@netins.net"
From: ldawson@netins.net
Subject: Pappy Race [2601]
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I went to Des Moines today to watch the race at Prairie Meadows. Pappy
looked like she broke a little slow, but she did fight back. She seemed
like she wanted to run, but the 1 horse was blocking her. At the top of
the stretch it looked like she had some room to get through, but she had
nothing left and faded to 5th. All in all it wasn't too bad of a
showing against what I thought were pretty decent horses.
Charge on
Eric Dawson
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21-SEP-1997 18:37:58.61
From: IN%"trifectawinner@sprintmail.com"
From: trifectawinner@sprintmail.com
Subject: IT WAS FUN [2600]
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Michelle and I enjoyed chatting with Ed Blair, Terry Bjork, Debby
Derlacki, Gene Derlacki. Jim Fitzwater. Bob Procaccini and their
families. The day started at the barn. Paparouna appeared to be in her
natural good mood. (no bumps either). Spent the rest of the morning at
workouts and ended up at the track kitchen where we met Terry and
Debby. Returned to the track before noon and witnessed a formal wedding
in the paddock. VP of racing at AP Bill Thayer said his wedding vows in
front of about 200 of his closest friends and about another 100 or so
looking on.Cal set up shop near the entrance and most of the partners
congregated there to wait it out until the 4 th race. Liane showed up
about an hour before post time to socialize with us all. I thought it
was a very nice gesture on her part. She always seems to find time to
chat. Anyhow to the race. On the head on shot the camera show that when
the gate opened Paparouna appeared to be slipping and sliding to get a
foot hold. She definitely did NOT get a clean start. She tried to make
up ground but a combination of the poor start and being blocked some by
a horse or two did not bode well for a finishing kick, which she
obviously did not have. She also nicked up her hind leg during the race
which was treated in the stall afterwards. That's how I saw the days
events. I'm sure others will be chiming in soon. Can't wait for the next
race. This day was worth waiting for. Happy Trails. ED b.
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21-SEP-1997 15:42:36.33
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net
Subject: pappy 5th [2598]
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V's,
I watched and taped the race. She looked like she broke ok, was up near the
middle of the pack, had to pull up once and was then in contention for 2nd
at the 8th pole. She seemed to tire and 2 horses passed her near the wire
leaving her with 5th place. I saw her going back to the barn and she hit
her right rear foot just above the hoof. I looks superficial to me. I heard
there was a report on her allergy test. Seems shes allergic to many of the
things around the race track.
ap
VOP MAIL PAGE
21-SEP-1997 14:41:44.29
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net
Subject: reality check--pappy runs out [2597]
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Partners,
just in results 1-4-5 for the 4th
Allan
VOP MAIL PAGE
21-SEP-1997 06:01:11.66
From: IN%"CRAZZYB@aol.com"
From: CRAZZYB@aol.com
Subject: Senior Tour for Lady Lomond? [2596]
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I just pulled up the pedigree on Lady Lomond in the VOP website. It says she
was
born in 1922, that puts her at 75 yrs. old. Is there a Senior Tour for
horses? Do they
have any races coming up in the books,15yrs.old and up at 6f? I think she'd
win hands down.
This is what happens when you wake up early because your excited about
Paparouna's first race. You start going goofy! GOOOOPAPPYYYY!!!!!
Bob J
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21-SEP-1997 05:36:24.25
From: IN%"trifectawinner@sprintmail.com"
From: trifectawinner@sprintmail.com
Subject: SHOWTIME !!! [2595]
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Paparouna Partners.... 5:30 AM and I can hear Joe Kelly's horn playing
"Call To The Post". Michelle is still sleeping and I'm on my second cup
of coffee. Anxious? Anticipation? Nervous? Etc. Etc. YES. Probably all
of the above. Hoping for a clear break out of the gate like she did in
her last workout. Then we might see her potential. See you all at the
track. IT'S SHOWTIME. Happy Trails Paparouna. ED B.
VOP MAIL PAGE
20-SEP-1997 21:44:23.15
From: IN%"73774.323@compuserve.com"
From: 73774.323@compuserve.com
Subject: Paparouna's Race [2594]
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V's,
Elvis noted that Paparouna, Emyvale, and Manalapan are the three
first-timers in this race.
Just for fun:
Emyvale and Manalapan are both by Cahill Road: half-sisters in human terms.
Cahill Road is a full brother to Unbridled: Poppy is racing against two
*cousins*.
I'll second Lynn C's eventing motto for Poppy's first race. * Safe and
sound; clean and fast* would be a good result for a maiden voyager.
Debby D
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20-SEP-1997 21:40:25.55
From: IN%"elvis@mcs.com"
From: elvis@mcs.com
Subject: other elvisware pics for popacherry day [2593]
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Since there looks to be a lot of people there, let me stick my neck out
for a whole card for once.
The way to measure if elvisware did OK is to check the winnings for
horses with overlays. For example, those that were there for the
Saturday VOPfest only got 3 winners, but the first race was 8-1, and the
last race got a $105.00 exacta (The 3rd winner was a betting favorite).
With that in mind, and the odds of a dry track being pretty good at this
point:
1st - Box a perfecta with Malory Elizabeth, United Colors and Fondly if
at least 2 of them are 3-1 or better (the last 2 will open at 8-1).
2nd - Loves Shelton Beach road at 3-2. It opens at 4-1.
3rd - Pass
4th - Box Society Belle and Lost Work if >= 3-1. I myself will be going
win/place with the #2 horsie.
5th - Pass. If you must, box Abster the Ghost and Comedy if >= 4-1.
6th - Interesting numbers. Likes Hoist the Baba and Powerful Goer way
ahead of all the others (9/5 and 2-1). The next in line is the morning
favorite Swift Appraisal at 7-1. With opening odds of 7-2 and 6-1, it
would be worth a win bet for both, as well as a boxed exacta.
7th - Major Dandy is the pick of the day at 1-2, but with a big
asterisk. The morning line 9-5 favorite G.W. Wish has the "inadequate
data" curse, and must be considered. However, an overlay is an overlay
8th - By now the elvis family will probably be long gone, unless
celebrating a victory from race #4 in the lounge. Likes Cerita at 3-2
and morning line 2-1 favorite Runaway Emily A at 3-1. But Runaway Emily
A gets an "Inadequate Data" rating, so watch out for her. Cerita or
Runaway Emily should win the race.
9th - Pass. If you must, box Seek a Fortune, Valid Vengeance and
Denouncer if >= 7-2.
10th - It's Belmont. Who cares? Oh, Allan cares. Well, too bad, the
transmission sent me info for the wrong race. However, it does like
K.O. Punch a lot for whichever race it's running in at Belmont.
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20-SEP-1997 21:16:42.45
From: IN%"elvis@mcs.com"
From: elvis@mcs.com
Subject: elvisware has papajoegresadek 4th [2592]
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By the way, does anybody know who papajoegresadek was?
Anyway, to answer one VOP inquiry, there are three first timers: PP,
Manalapan, and Emyvale.
The numbers:
Fitness - Lost Work 10, Society Belle and Don't be Silly 8, PP 3
Ability - Lost Work and Society Belle 10, PP 6
Class - Peanut Colony 10, everybody else, zero
Speed - Something named Paparouna along with Emyvale 10, Society Belle
and Manalapan 7 (Peanut Colony gets a 2?)
Recency - Manalapan 10, Society Belle, Paparouna and Don't be Silly 8
Overall:
Society Belle and Lost Work 3-1
Manalapan 9-2
Paparouna 6-1
Peanut Colony 8-1
Emyvale 11-1
Don't Be Silly - The last horse never gets odds in elvisware.
Things to look out for:
The overall rating is done by averaging three "selectors":
Selector 1 - All five of the categories listed above
Selector 2 - Fitness, Ability, and Class
Selector 3 - Speed, Recency (Pace replaces recency for most races)
Paparouna is the leader in Selector 3. I usually look for a VOP horse
to lead in something to contend for a wager. With the Selector 3 title
and and leader in speed, I will probably go with a win/place wager.
VOP MAIL PAGE
20-SEP-1997 20:52:08.50
From: IN%"elvis@mcs.com"
From: elvis@mcs.com
Subject: Morning line for Papajoegresadek [2591]
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4TH RACE AP SEPTEMBER 21ST - $2 EXACTA/$2 TRIFECTA $1 PICK 3 (RACES
4,5,6)
============================ $2 TWO IN THE MONEY
6 FURLONGS DIRT; MAIDEN SPECIAL WEIGHT; PURSE $20,000;
$7,200
added IOA.
FOR FILLIES, TWO YEARS OLD. Weight, 119 lbs.
PROGRAM SELECTIONS: 1 - 7 -
4
# HORSE NAME ML JOCKEY WT TRAINER
MED EQP
-- ---------- -- ------ -- -------
--- ---
1 SOCIETY BELLE 5/2 GOMEZ G 119 EBERT D W
*L
2 PAPAROUNA 8/1 SIBILLE R 119 DAVIS L P
*L
3 MANALAPAN 6/1 FIRES E 119 NAFZGER C
A
4 EMYVALE 4/1 GUIDRY M 119 MCGEHEE B
A
5 DON'T BE SILLY 10/1 EMIGH C 119 VANIER
H
6 LOST WORK 5/1 RAZO JR E 119 SPRAGGINS K R
*L
7 PEANUT COLONY 3/1 MEIER R 119 ROBERSON
D
VOP MAIL PAGE
20-SEP-1997 19:17:56.11
From: IN%"tlbjork@ais.net" "Terry Bjork"
From: tlbjork@ais.net
Subject: DRF sez [2590]
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The analyst, Kristin Sadler, has Paparouna 2nd with the comment "by successful
sire Unbridled, just clocked in a best-of-57 4-furlong drill here."
Sweep also has her in 2nd with comment "Note sire/gate bullet" and lists
her at 7/2. No other selectors like her. The big faves are Society Belle,
Peanut Colony, and Emyvale.
Terry
VOP MAIL PAGE
20-SEP-1997 17:56:54.38
From: IN%"Burgooking@aol.com"
From: Burgooking@aol.com
Subject: RACE NUMBER ONE [2589]
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Partners:
Let me assure everyone in attendance tomorrow that I promise
to do my best to make sure that Pappy goes off the favorite. While
I am not as confident that Pappy will win by 6 or more lengths, I am
confident that she will put in a stellar effort against what appears to
be a competitive field. Personally the fact that the field is conpetitve
over serves up two positives. First we should see a reasonable return at
the windows and second we should see what kind of filly we have. I only
hope she has her daddy's speed and KLH's heart. Good racing luck and
a safe and clean trip. Can't wait for tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Steve (bet a bunch) Lewis
VOP MAIL PAGE
20-SEP-1997 17:52:16.38
From: IN%"ChgNick@aol.com"
From: ChgNick@aol.com
Subject: Paparouna race [2588]
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Partners,
Just download tomorrows program, heres how it looks.
1. Society Belle, gets Gomez again and one of the best 2 year old trainers on
the grounds. Ran her last race in 113.2 (winner ran 112.9) but, hit the gate
at the start, broke inward, and was 7 wide into the stretch. On top of that
she bled and gets lasix tomorrow. Oh, she blew a 47.6/bg 3 days ago on a gd
track. MAJOR THREAT
2. Paparouna, has a total of 8 workouts comming into her opener of which 2
are respectable and 1 very good. The problem is, the workouts cover a 122 day
period. With only 2 workouts in the past 36 day