22-SEP-1997 19:22:43.17
From: IN%"Sunwalker@warpnet.net"  "Sunwalker Ostrich Ranch"
From: Sunwalker@warpnet.net 
Subject: Sunday at the Track [2617]
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Partners
    Sunday was a gorgeous day to be at the track.
Sunny sky, cool temps, friendly folks. We took
 Dana's parents along for their first trip ever to a 
racetrack. I think they were impressed and enjoyed
themselves. We, as usual, had a wonderful time.
    There's not much I can add about the race that 
hasn't already been reported.It was great to see all
the partners again.Sharing in the excitement of
Paparouna's first race was a delight! 
     I did pick up a couple tidbits of info while talking
to Liane back at the barn. Nat worked 4 furlongs in
48.4. Liane was very happy with that and is pointing
her towards a 6f race on Oct. 4. She also talked about
making Pappy's next attempt a mile race. All the horses 
looked great and would have eaten carrots forever. Nat
is truly a pig! Wes was quite a gentleman and even 
allowed me to briefly brush the soft part of his nose
in between carrots. I'll make him my friend somehow!
    Again, it was great to see and visit with everyone
again. After these trips, I'm on a natural high for days!
Thanks, my friends.
    Ed Blair    

22-SEP-1997 13:44:23.63
From: IN%"ksimpson@umich.edu"  "Karen Simpson"
From: ksimpson@umich.edu 
Subject: Paparounas Race [2616]
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Hello Everyone		

What a magical Sunday. Thanks to everyone who  gave their observations of 
the race it nice to hear from the veterens what we newies should be looking 
for when we watch a race.  I'm glad to know that Pappy came out as hungry 
as ever. I'm also happy to know that she was eager to race. Thank you Ed  
for you offer to represent me in the winner circle.

I went to see the simulcast at Detroit Race Course with my with my brothers 
and sisters and their dates. It was ladies day so much to the constrination 
of my brothers we women folk of the group got in free.  I was so nervous I 
had to go walk around alot so I almost missed the post parade. She looked 
wonderful on television I looked hard for any sign of the hives and didn't 
see any. You all are right it is the best feeling in the world to see your 
horse run even if they don't win. To be honest her debut turned out like I 
expected so I not to disappointed I just wanted her to come out OK.
 
A story from my day at the simulcast center:

After the race my sister and I were standing in the gift shop talking about 
Paparouna's race. The gift shop owner and his friend were listening in on 
the conversation. The friend starts leafing through his daily racing form 
and looks at Paparouna's information and says, " You don't have much to 
worry about in the future Miss your filly  well bred." I said well you just 
never know  but he just smiled like he knew. The gift shop owner gave me a 
20% discount on my purchases because I was an owner. Boy, Life is good!!!!.

Karen.
 

22-SEP-1997 09:30:30.53
From: IN%"ChgNick@aol.com"
From: ChgNick@aol.com 
Subject: Paparouna's Race [2610]
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Partners, 

        I agree with Cal's assesment of Pappy's race. She spotted the field a
good five lengths comming out of the gate. She seemed to realize something
was wrong and took off after the other horses (always a good sign after a
miscue). She caught the field very quickly before having to check. It looked
like, had she not checked, that she would have contended for the lead. After
the check she dropped back to last and made a huge move on the rail turning
for home. In the stretch Ray did not abuse her, she finished 5th under no
urging. 

        I think we difinitely have a runner on are hands and await the next
race.


Nick Urso

22-SEP-1997 09:19:41.46
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com 
Subject: Re: Question RE: August Numbers [2603] [2607] [2609]
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Y'all,

	That should belong to KLH.  I don't have my
records at work, but I will verify this at lunchtime.

Cal


On Sep 22, 10:14am, ChgoRanger@aol.com wrote:
> Subject: Question RE: August Numbers [2603] [2607]
> In a message dated 97-09-22 06:08:58 EDT, Cal Wrote:
>
> <<                       Lady Lomond        Unsold        Dance Naturally
>
>  Start Balance             $566.14        $1,205.25          $527.53
>
>  Training                $1,573.70        $1,626.00        $1,470.00
>  Vet                       $256.00          $186.00          $249.50
>  Jockey                     $90.00           $95.00            $0.00
>  Shipping                    $0.00          $100.00            $0.00
>  Photos                      $0.00            $0.00            $0.00
>  Other                      $61.47          $108.62           $24.62
>  Horse                       $0.00            $0.00            $0.00
>  Total Expenses          $1,981.17        $2,115.62        $1,744.12 >>
>
>
> Cal....what's the $100 "shipping" charge for Unsold??  Have I missed
> something??
>
> Sean
>
>-- End of excerpt from ChgoRanger@aol.com

22-SEP-1997 09:17:18.55
From: IN%"ChgoRanger@aol.com"
From: ChgoRanger@aol.com 
Subject: Question RE: August Numbers [2603] [2607]
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In a message dated 97-09-22 06:08:58 EDT, Cal Wrote:

<<                       Lady Lomond        Unsold        Dance Naturally
 
 Start Balance             $566.14        $1,205.25          $527.53
 
 Training                $1,573.70        $1,626.00        $1,470.00
 Vet                       $256.00          $186.00          $249.50
 Jockey                     $90.00           $95.00            $0.00
 Shipping                    $0.00          $100.00            $0.00
 Photos                      $0.00            $0.00            $0.00
 Other                      $61.47          $108.62           $24.62
 Horse                       $0.00            $0.00            $0.00
 Total Expenses          $1,981.17        $2,115.62        $1,744.12 >>


Cal....what's the $100 "shipping" charge for Unsold??  Have I missed
something??

Sean

22-SEP-1997 07:44:33.04
From: IN%"Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com"  "Cal Jestice"
From: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com 
Subject: The Scoop:  9/22/97 [2606]
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Y'all,

	I've heard from all but one of the folks who are past due
on their cash calls.  This is better, but I had to take some 
extreme measures to do it.  The September cash call will be out
in a couple of days, so be prepared.

	Lady Lomond came off her race in good shape, but there was
no explanation for her poor performance.  It's time to move Lady
and Liane is looking for buyers.  More on this in a separate post.

	Paparouna's debut was covered in a separate post, but she
came off the race in good shape.  She had a typical troubled 2yo
debut race and she should learn from it.  There's no time table
for her next race, but I doubt it will come before the end of AP.
The hives are gone and hopefully will stay gone, but with the 
stress of the race, I won't be surprised if they're back.

	KLH is happy, healthy and getting back into shape.

	Dance Naturally worked four furlongs on Saturday with Ray
up.  I didn't count up all the times, but it was about tenth fastest
out of forty.  She did it easily, but tired a bit in the last furlong.
Liane is going to work her one more time and there race her 6f at
the beginning of October.  Next work should be in a week.

	Itbaya is doing well and all the rain we've had in the 
past week has softened the turf course.  There's nothing in 
the book for Itbaya, but it looks as if the racing secretary
will write an extra 18K claimer before the end of the month.
Both Silva's and Sibille's agent have been around asking for 
the ride, so that's a good sign.  There should be another 
race for Itbaya before the end of the month.

	Unsold is doing well and Liane will put him back into
a N1X or N2L depending upon how soon he's ready and what's 
available in the book.  Arlington is writing a lot of extras
to compete with Hawthorne and that's killing off races in the 
book.  Liane doesn't want to point for something far down the
road and pass up a couple chances, only to have the target 
race not fill.  It's day to day with Unsold, but he should 
race again before the end of AP.

Cal

22-SEP-1997 07:44:16.23
From: IN%"Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com"  "Cal Jestice"
From: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com 
Subject: Paparouna's Race [2605]
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Y'all,

Y’all,

	It was a beautiful day for Paparouna’s debut at Arlington.
The temperature hung just below seventy and the track had dried
from all the rain on Friday.  I got to AP about 12:15 and began
staking a claim on some tables and chairs on the patio in the
west end of the paddock.

	I spent about 20 minutes handicapping before the VOPsters
started showing up.  Debbie Derlacki was first to show, but she
was quickly followed by more partners than I care to type out
just now.  Anyhow, there were about 20 of us socializing on the
patio with about another 15 or so roaming the stands.  Liane
arrived about an hour before post and answered questions until
it was time to go to the paddock.

	Paparouna opened at 4-5 thanks to Steve Lewis, but drifted
up slowly until race time.  She came into the paddock looking 
calm and carrying no hives.  Paparouna handled the crowd and 
caused no fuss at anytime in the paddock.  Ray came out and Liane
told him to let Paparouna find her own pace and they took off
for the track.

	Paparouna took the warm up well.  She was a bit startled
by the big crowd at first, but settled down well once she got
away from the grandstand.  She loaded into the gate well, but
when the race started the ground broke away from her back feet
and she slid sideways and to the left as she tried to break.
Ray got her righted but by the time he did, the leaders were
already five lengths or more away.  Paparouna dug in and moved
up on the inside on the backstretch.  She got to about fifth
and Gomez dropped Society Belle over on Ray and he had to check
hard.  Paparouna backed off and came on again, but couldn’t get
room and checked again just before the half mile pole.  The rail
opened on the turn and Paparouna rushed into contention and made
it to third turning for home, but all the stopping and rushing
up had used up all of her run and she had nothing left for the
last eighth.  Ray took it easy on her during the trip home and
she coasted in fifth.

	Liane and Ray were happy with Paparouna’s effort, but not
the circumstances of the race.  Paparouna tried hard and showed
she wants to compete.  This was the first time she had even been
behind another horse and she handled it reasonably well.  Papa-
rouna didn’t like having the dirt kicked up in her face and turned
her for most of the time she was inside.  She did kick herself
a couple times coming out of the gate and has a cut on her right
rear coronet and a bruise just about that.  Liane isn’t too 
concerned about it, but she’ll keep an eye on it for the next
couple of days.

	Paparouna cooled out well and ate like a fiend after the
race.  I stopped by the barn about 5:30 and talked to Pancho and
he showed me the damage where Paparouna had kicked herself.  It
wasn’t pretty, but it’s not as severe as it could have been. 
She’ll get a few days of walking and then return to the track if
all goes well.  Chances are slim she’ll race at AP again, so look
for her next start to be at Hawthorne.

	Overall, it was a good learning experience for Paparouna.
She got a taste of what it is like to be behind horses and not
be the best runner in the race.  She showed she wants to race
and made a couple nice moves on the track.  If she can get away
clean next time, I think she’ll put in a much improved effort.

Cal

22-SEP-1997 05:10:27.98
From: IN%"Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com"  "Cal Jestice"
From: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com 
Subject: August Numbers [2603]
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Y'all,

	Here's the numbers for August.  As always, use a non-
proportional font (i.e. courier) to get the numbers to line up.

Cal

------------------------------------------------------------------------

      Aug-97       Expense and Income for VOP

                         Paparouna        Itbaya           Kristy

Start Balance           $1,889.32        $1,316.22        $1,691.60

Training                $1,470.00        $1,910.90          $987.00
Vet                       $149.00          $233.00            $0.00
Jockey                      $0.00          $210.00            $0.00
Shipping                    $0.00            $0.00            $0.00
Photos                      $0.00            $0.00            $0.00
Other                      $24.62          $229.62           $24.62
Horse                       $0.00            $0.00            $0.00
Total Expenses          $1,643.62        $2,583.52        $1,011.62

Purse                       $0.00        $4,100.00            $0.00
Cash Call               $1,000.00            $0.00        $1,500.00
Total Income            $1,000.00        $4,100.00        $1,500.00

End Balance             $1,245.70        $2,832.70        $2,179.98


                       Lady Lomond        Unsold        Dance Naturally

Start Balance             $566.14        $1,205.25          $527.53

Training                $1,573.70        $1,626.00        $1,470.00
Vet                       $256.00          $186.00          $249.50
Jockey                     $90.00           $95.00            $0.00
Shipping                    $0.00          $100.00            $0.00
Photos                      $0.00            $0.00            $0.00
Other                      $61.47          $108.62           $24.62
Horse                       $0.00            $0.00            $0.00
Total Expenses          $1,981.17        $2,115.62        $1,744.12

Purse                     $737.00        $1,680.00            $0.00
Cash Call               $1,500.00        $1,000.00        $1,500.00
Total Income            $2,237.00        $2,680.00        $1,500.00

End Balance               $821.97        $1,769.63          $283.41            
     

21-SEP-1997 22:35:59.40
From: IN%"73774.323@compuserve.com"
From: 73774.323@compuserve.com 
Subject: Paparouna's Maiden Voyage [2602]
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V's,
Perfect weather and a good turn-out of VOPsters for the kid's first race. 
The obnoxious hives were said to have disappeared during the week, and sure
enough, when Poppy arrived in the paddock she looked gorgeous -- shining
coat, dappling, and NO hives.  She was calm and relaxed; no sign of the
kicking reported from her paddock schooling.  Post parade and loading into
the gate went just fine.

Well, then came the start.  Hershell told Karan Z. and I (later, at the
barn) that when she pushed off at the start, the track just slipped under
her feet ,  so her hind feet went backward, instead of her body going
forward.  She was scraped by the gate on one hock and got another scrape
just above her right hoof.  She got going again, Ray got her over to the
rail, and she made up some ground.  It looked like she might be able to
keep moving forward on the rail, but Ray had to check her when the horse
ahead of her moved railward.  After this she seemed to tire a bit, but hung
in for fifth.

Karan and I went back to the barn about 4:30.  Poppy seemed her usually
happy, hungry self.  Hershell said that there was no sign of bleeding, and
she would be scoped again Mon. and Tues. to be sure.  If all goes well,
she'll be back in training in five days.

Pancho was getting dinner ready for the gang while we wandered about,
handing out carrots.  Nat and Kristy got into a stomping-and-snorting
contest, evidently hoping to intimidate Pancho into feeding them first. 
Kristy was actually bouncing up and down and banging into the chains. 
Guess we don't have to worry about HIS appetite!  Once he got his food,
Super-Kristy reverted to *Clark Kent* mode again.

A non-contest question:  who's more pooped right now, Poppy or the
Poppy-watchers?
Debby D

21-SEP-1997 19:01:03.66
From: IN%"ldawson@netins.net"
From: ldawson@netins.net 
Subject: Pappy Race [2601]
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I went to Des Moines today to watch the race at Prairie Meadows.  Pappy
looked like she broke a little slow, but she did fight back.  She seemed
like she wanted to run, but the 1 horse was blocking her.  At the top of
the stretch it looked like she had some room to get through, but she had
nothing left and faded to 5th.  All in all it wasn't too bad of a
showing against what I thought were pretty decent horses.  

Charge on

Eric Dawson

21-SEP-1997 18:37:58.61
From: IN%"trifectawinner@sprintmail.com"
From: trifectawinner@sprintmail.com 
Subject: IT WAS FUN [2600]
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Michelle and I enjoyed chatting with Ed Blair, Terry Bjork, Debby
Derlacki, Gene Derlacki. Jim Fitzwater. Bob Procaccini and their
families. The day started at the barn. Paparouna appeared to be in her
natural good mood. (no bumps either). Spent the rest of the morning at
workouts and ended up at the track kitchen where  we met Terry and
Debby. Returned to the track before noon and witnessed a formal wedding
in the paddock. VP of racing at AP Bill Thayer said his wedding vows in
front of about 200 of his closest friends and about another 100 or so
looking on.Cal set up shop near the entrance and most of the partners
congregated there to wait it out until the 4 th race. Liane showed up
about an hour before post time to socialize with us all. I thought it
was a very nice gesture on her part. She always seems to find time to
chat. Anyhow to the race. On the head on shot the camera show that when
the gate opened Paparouna appeared to be slipping and sliding to get a
foot hold. She definitely did NOT get a clean start. She tried to make
up ground but a combination of the poor start and being blocked some by
a horse or two did not bode well for a finishing kick, which she
obviously did not have. She also nicked up her hind leg during the race
which was treated in the stall afterwards. That's how I saw the days
events. I'm sure others will be chiming in soon. Can't wait for the next
race. This day was worth waiting for. Happy Trails. ED b.

21-SEP-1997 15:42:36.33
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net 
Subject: pappy 5th [2598]
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V's,

I watched and taped the race. She looked like she broke ok, was up near the
middle of the pack, had to pull up once and was then in contention for 2nd
at the 8th pole. She seemed to tire and 2 horses passed her near the wire
leaving her with 5th place. I saw her going back to the barn and she hit
her right rear foot just above the hoof. I looks superficial to me. I heard
there was a report on her allergy test. Seems shes allergic to many of the
things around the race track.

ap

21-SEP-1997 14:41:44.29
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net 
Subject: reality check--pappy runs out [2597]
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Partners,
              just in results 1-4-5 for the 4th

                                Allan

21-SEP-1997 06:01:11.66
From: IN%"CRAZZYB@aol.com"
From: CRAZZYB@aol.com 
Subject: Senior Tour for Lady Lomond? [2596]
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I just pulled up the pedigree on Lady Lomond in the VOP website. It says she
was 
born in 1922, that puts her at 75 yrs. old. Is there a Senior Tour for
horses? Do they
have any races coming up in the books,15yrs.old and up at 6f? I think she'd
win hands down.
This is what happens when you wake up early because your excited about
Paparouna's first race. You start going goofy! GOOOOPAPPYYYY!!!!!

Bob J

21-SEP-1997 05:36:24.25
From: IN%"trifectawinner@sprintmail.com"
From: trifectawinner@sprintmail.com 
Subject: SHOWTIME !!! [2595]
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Paparouna Partners.... 5:30 AM and I can hear Joe Kelly's horn playing
"Call To The Post". Michelle is still sleeping and I'm on my second cup
of coffee. Anxious? Anticipation? Nervous? Etc. Etc. YES. Probably all
of the above. Hoping for a clear break out of the gate like she did in
her last workout. Then we might see her potential. See you all at the
track. IT'S SHOWTIME. Happy Trails Paparouna. ED B.

20-SEP-1997 21:44:23.15
From: IN%"73774.323@compuserve.com"
From: 73774.323@compuserve.com 
Subject: Paparouna's Race [2594]
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V's,
Elvis noted that Paparouna, Emyvale, and Manalapan are the three
first-timers in this race. 
Just for fun:
Emyvale and Manalapan are both by Cahill Road: half-sisters in human terms.
Cahill Road is a full brother to Unbridled: Poppy is racing against two
*cousins*.

I'll second Lynn C's eventing motto for Poppy's first race. * Safe and
sound; clean and fast* would be a good result  for a maiden voyager.
Debby D

20-SEP-1997 21:40:25.55
From: IN%"elvis@mcs.com"
From: elvis@mcs.com 
Subject: other elvisware pics for popacherry day [2593]
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Since there looks to be a lot of people there, let me stick my neck out
for a whole card for once.

The way to measure if elvisware did OK is to check the winnings for
horses with overlays.  For example, those that were there for the
Saturday VOPfest only got 3 winners, but the first race was 8-1, and the
last race got a $105.00 exacta (The 3rd winner was a betting favorite).

With that in mind, and the odds of a dry track being pretty good at this
point:

1st - Box a perfecta with Malory Elizabeth, United Colors and Fondly if
at least 2 of them are 3-1 or better (the last 2 will open at 8-1).

2nd - Loves Shelton Beach road at 3-2.  It opens at 4-1.

3rd - Pass

4th - Box Society Belle and Lost Work if >= 3-1.  I myself will be going
win/place with the #2 horsie.

5th - Pass. If you must, box Abster the Ghost and Comedy if >= 4-1.

6th - Interesting numbers.  Likes Hoist the Baba and Powerful Goer way
ahead of all the others (9/5 and 2-1).  The next in line is the morning
favorite Swift Appraisal at 7-1.  With opening odds of 7-2 and 6-1, it
would be worth a win bet for both, as well as a boxed exacta.

7th - Major Dandy is the pick of the day at 1-2, but with a big
asterisk.  The morning line 9-5 favorite G.W. Wish has the "inadequate
data" curse, and must be considered.  However, an overlay is an overlay

8th - By now the elvis family will probably be long gone, unless
celebrating a victory from race #4 in the lounge.  Likes Cerita at 3-2
and morning line 2-1 favorite Runaway Emily A at 3-1.  But Runaway Emily
A gets an "Inadequate Data" rating, so watch out for her.  Cerita or
Runaway Emily should win the race.

9th - Pass.  If you must, box Seek a Fortune, Valid Vengeance and
Denouncer if >= 7-2.

10th - It's Belmont.  Who cares?  Oh, Allan cares.  Well, too bad, the
transmission sent me info for the wrong race.  However, it does like
K.O. Punch a lot for whichever race it's running in at Belmont.

20-SEP-1997 21:16:42.45
From: IN%"elvis@mcs.com"
From: elvis@mcs.com 
Subject: elvisware has papajoegresadek 4th [2592]
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By the way, does anybody know who papajoegresadek was?

Anyway, to answer one VOP inquiry, there are three first timers:  PP,
Manalapan, and Emyvale. 

The numbers:

Fitness - Lost Work 10, Society Belle and Don't be Silly 8, PP 3
Ability - Lost Work and Society Belle 10, PP 6
Class - Peanut Colony 10, everybody else, zero
Speed - Something named Paparouna along with Emyvale 10, Society Belle
and Manalapan 7 (Peanut Colony gets a 2?)
Recency - Manalapan 10, Society Belle, Paparouna and Don't be Silly 8

Overall:

Society Belle and Lost Work 3-1
Manalapan 9-2
Paparouna 6-1
Peanut Colony 8-1
Emyvale 11-1
Don't Be Silly - The last horse never gets odds in elvisware.

Things to look out for:

The overall rating is done by averaging three "selectors":

Selector 1 - All five of the categories listed above
Selector 2 - Fitness, Ability, and Class
Selector 3 - Speed, Recency (Pace replaces recency for most races)

Paparouna is the leader in Selector 3.  I usually look for a VOP horse
to lead in something to contend for a wager.  With the Selector 3 title
and and leader in speed, I will probably go with a win/place wager.

20-SEP-1997 20:52:08.50
From: IN%"elvis@mcs.com"
From: elvis@mcs.com 
Subject: Morning line for Papajoegresadek [2591]
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4TH RACE AP  SEPTEMBER 21ST - $2 EXACTA/$2 TRIFECTA  $1 PICK 3 (RACES
4,5,6)
============================    $2 TWO IN THE MONEY

        6 FURLONGS DIRT; MAIDEN SPECIAL WEIGHT; PURSE $20,000;
$7,200        
        added IOA.        
        FOR FILLIES, TWO YEARS OLD. Weight, 119 lbs.        

                         PROGRAM SELECTIONS: 1 - 7 -
4                         

  # HORSE NAME                 ML  JOCKEY          WT   TRAINER        
MED EQP
 -- ----------                 --  ------          --   -------        
--- ---
  1 SOCIETY BELLE              5/2 GOMEZ G         119  EBERT D W       
*L     
  2 PAPAROUNA                  8/1 SIBILLE R       119  DAVIS L P       
*L     
  3 MANALAPAN                  6/1 FIRES E         119  NAFZGER C
A             
  4 EMYVALE                    4/1 GUIDRY M        119  MCGEHEE B
A             
  5 DON'T BE SILLY            10/1 EMIGH C         119  VANIER
H                
  6 LOST WORK                  5/1 RAZO JR E       119  SPRAGGINS K R   
*L     
  7 PEANUT COLONY              3/1 MEIER R         119  ROBERSON
D

20-SEP-1997 19:17:56.11
From: IN%"tlbjork@ais.net"  "Terry Bjork"
From: tlbjork@ais.net 
Subject: DRF sez [2590]
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The analyst, Kristin Sadler, has Paparouna 2nd with the comment "by successful
sire Unbridled, just clocked in a best-of-57 4-furlong drill here."

Sweep also has her in 2nd with comment "Note sire/gate bullet" and lists
her at 7/2. No other selectors like her. The big faves are Society Belle, 
Peanut Colony, and Emyvale.

Terry

20-SEP-1997 17:56:54.38
From: IN%"Burgooking@aol.com"
From: Burgooking@aol.com 
Subject: RACE NUMBER ONE [2589]
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Partners:

Let me assure everyone in attendance tomorrow that I promise
to do my best to make sure that Pappy goes off the favorite.  While
I am not as confident that Pappy will win by 6 or more lengths, I am
confident that she will put in a stellar effort against what appears to
be a competitive field.  Personally the fact that the field is conpetitve
over serves up two positives.  First we should see a reasonable return at
the windows and second we should see what kind of filly we have.  I only
hope she has her daddy's speed and KLH's heart.  Good racing luck and
a safe and clean trip.  Can't wait for tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Steve (bet a bunch) Lewis

20-SEP-1997 17:52:16.38
From: IN%"ChgNick@aol.com"
From: ChgNick@aol.com 
Subject: Paparouna race [2588]
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Partners,

Just download tomorrows program, heres how it looks.

1. Society Belle, gets Gomez again and one of the best 2 year old trainers on
the grounds. Ran her last race in 113.2 (winner ran 112.9) but, hit the gate
at the start, broke inward, and was 7 wide into the stretch. On top of that
she bled and gets lasix tomorrow. Oh, she blew a 47.6/bg 3 days ago on a gd
track. MAJOR THREAT

2. Paparouna, has a total of 8 workouts comming into her opener of which 2
are respectable and 1 very good. The problem is, the workouts cover a 122 day
period.  With only 2 workouts in the past 36 days. Would have liked to see 3f
blowout on Thursday to put her on her toes ( personal opinion ). Breeding
says she'd prefer a longer distance and will improve at 3. Keeping fingers
crossed with her. Guessing she'll need a race.

3. Manalapan, 12 workouts for this ones opener. 10 within the last 2 months.
Decent trainer and jock. Worked 3f 2 days ago in 36.1/b and 6f in 116.1/hg 7
days ago. This one is definitley ready to run, the question is can she
compete with this bunch. See how she's bet, Gimmick Possibilty.

4. Emyvale, Great owner, trainer, and jock combination. Owner known for
buying good stock. As good a trainer as McGehee is, curious why only one work
for this filly? 30 days ago at that. As with Manalapan, watch how this one is
bet. If she's the post time favorite she will run. If bet down to favorite,
1st or 2nd

5. Don't Be Silly, Has meets leading trainer and thats about it. Has 2 races
under her belt with a 2nd and 6th place finish. Don't let that 2nd place
finish full you, she was 15 lengths back from the winner. Winners time 113.2
Silly's time 115.8. Worked 2 days ago 4f 53.0/b. No threat

6. Lost Work, Has a great trainer. Trainer has won 2 of his last 3 starts.
Filly has one start under her belt were she finished 9th by 20 lenghts. Did
get Guidry for that one, so she must have shown something. She also bled in
that race and goes on lasix today. Even with the trainer and lasix factor, I
think this filly needs another start. Out of top 3. 

7. Peanut Colony, Trainer has 1 win and 1 place out of last 4 starts.
Speedster adding a 1/2 furlong onto her normal running distance today. Has 4
starts all at 5.5f. She has not been able to hold on in the stretch finishing
2nd twice, 3rd and 7th. Last race she finished 2nd by 2.5 lengths in 105.8.
If she can keep that pace up for the extra 1/2 furlong today that would put
her in the 112 area. This would make her a major threat in this field. Can
she? I'm quessing minor award.

One sidebar for tomorrows race. As one of the earlier partners mentioned, Cal
is listed as the owner of Paparouna. Now, I don't know if this was a misprint
or if Cal somehow made a mistake in the filing of ownership papers. Either
way, it makes for a embarrassing miship in front of friends and family who
will be attending tomorrows race. I hope Cal can at least clear the issue up
so by post time they announce the owners as VOP and Sibille is in the proper
silks. 

Wishing for the best outcome tomorrow,

Nick Urso

20-SEP-1997 17:37:03.32
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net 
Subject: pappy contest [2587]
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Partners,
               10 people took the plunge and damned the torpedos and
entered my little contest....the winner will recieve a Belmont suprise
package full of really neat horseracing mementos from Belmont Park
Gauranteed to be nice............I aveaged it out and the contestant
picked Pappy by 6 1/4 lengths in a tine of 111.54 we sshall see....good
luck to one and all except Sean who had the adacity to pick pappy to
place......GOOOOO! PAPAROUNA

                                    Allan

20-SEP-1997 17:31:04.51
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net 
Subject: Pappy's race [2586]
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Partners,
               Tomorrow's the unveiling of the equine Thoughbred  May
she be fast and steady and beat the pants off these horses....here are
the Weston Kiss of death picks for Papy's race....

      1.The Gomez special and ML fav.....had no speed after a trady
begining In her debut at 8-1 also bled in the race had a nice gate work
this week and should show improved sped if she gets off to a trardy
begining again all bets are off

      3. Cahil road firster and the second ofGrandsie Fappiano firsters
this one cost 25k back in Jan 26....works a little on the slow side so
I'll.....toss

      4. Limited amount ofworks for this one went 47b three weeks ago
and hasn't been seen sense....my prediction a non factor

      5 showeed a little spped in her last and really quit in the last
fulongthe my friends is SLOW so I'll be tossing

      ^ the spraggins special--you can never toss a horse trained by
such a pct trainer first lasix loses guidry....looks like a sleeper to
me for a minor part

     7. a little story in a horse the name the speed and the
quitter....has major league spped and a minor league heart ill quit
again when challanged...toss

      2. --PAAROUNA---the highly waited for debut of a Fast unbridled
filly 8-1 ML is someones  idea of a joke...this horse WILL be bet that
47 workout was a wonder to behold (according to eyewitnesse should be
there with the cheap speed move turning for home and win eased up

Well Here is where I usally put my Probable finish...so I'll take the @
with the 6 and eschew the rest............go pappy

                                    Allan

20-SEP-1997 15:44:06.95
From: IN%"tlbjork@ais.net"  "Terry Bjork"
From: tlbjork@ais.net 
Subject: more work for Cal [2585]
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A la Hooper, DRF lists Cal as the owner of Paparouna.

More fun and games. Did we ever get that straight?

How's chances of running in the right silks tomorrow?

Terry

20-SEP-1997 12:34:26.38
From: IN%"cnlcronin@voyager.net"
From: cnlcronin@voyager.net 
Subject: Society Belle [2584]
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Never mind the pedigree on SB--I'd forgotten about the Pedigree Page. 
If this is the same filly (Rising Market-Carefree Belle), her dam was 32
years old and her sire 31 when she was foaled!  Talk about a generation
gap!

The reason I was looking is that my mare's registered name is also from
the long list of "Belle"s--they're not related.  Too bad, as mine had a
serious case of the slows.

This is quite a field of babies.  Is Pappy the only first time starter,
and how many gate works has she had?  Good thing it's a shortish
field--hate to have her stand in that 2 hole forever and get anxious.

Lynn

20-SEP-1997 12:23:10.54
From: IN%"cnlcronin@voyager.net"
From: cnlcronin@voyager.net 
Subject: Pedigrees [2583]
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What is Society Belle's breeding, please?

Lynn

20-SEP-1997 11:56:24.96
From: IN%"Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com"  "Cal Jestice"
From: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com 
Subject: Sunday Meeting Spot [2582]
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Y'all,

	I'll be holding down a batch of tables and chairs on
the patio west of the paddock on Sunday.  I should be there
before the first race and the VOPsters can meet there any
time before the fourth.  I'll get Liane to stop by for a while 
before the race.

	See y'all there.

Cal

20-SEP-1997 10:58:12.90
From: IN%"Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com"  "Cal Jestice"
From: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com 
Subject: Paparouna's Race [2581]
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Y'all,

	I was able to get a DRF this morning and took a 
look at Paparouna's race.  All I can say is if we can beat
this bunch, we've got something.  Bullet works are not
exclusive to Paparouna in this field.  There is a horse
which has shown exceptional and the ability to carry to
the end of the race.  The horse inside of Paparouna was
able to close well while going wide.

#1 Society Belle - Very impressing move in debut as 
she closed down the middle of the track while bleeding.
Gets lasix and leading jockey for today's race.  She put
in a sharp four furlong gate work on Wednesday.  Barn 
winning at 26% for the meet.  Looks to be the favorite.

#2 Paparouna - Not many works, but the ones there are
impressive.  Pedigree says she probably would do better
going longer, but daddy won at 5.5f at this track.  Contender.

#3 Manalapan - Sharp Nafzger barn has got plenty of works
into this one.  Hasn't missed a beat since July and while
her times aren't stellar, they're regular enough to say she's
sound and should be ready for this.  Contender.

#4 Emyvale - Barn is always sharp with young horses and
is winning at 27% for the meet.  Gets Guidry for the race.  
Shows a 47 bullet in her last published work.  Contender.

#5 Don't Be Silly - Definitely not bred to go short or to run
at 2, but this one hasn't been too dismal in her attempts.
She caught big winners in each of her last two races.  Still
looks to take a whuppin.

#6 Lost Work - Barn winning at a remarkable 45% for the 
meet.  Comes out of the same race as Society Belle and
this one bled also.  Guidry gets off to ride Emyvale.  Might
sneak a third if she improves.

#7 Peanut Colony - Big time speed ships in from Ellis Park.
Gets top speed rider Randy Meier and will be gunning from 
the gate.  Should clear this field, the question is for how long?

	Overall, the outside three horses are probably going
to be nothing more than traffic problems during the race.  
Society Belle made a nice move in her last, but the pace was
fast enough to downgrade her effort a bit.  Manalapan and
Emyvale have good breeding, works and connections, so I 
expect both of them to be in the action at the end.  Paparouna
works rarely, but when she does, it's impressive.

	I still think Paparouna can take this race if she can
get away from the gate cleanly.  This race will be a good test
of Paparouna's ability because is has some competition, but
isn't so tough that she won't have a chance.  If she can take
the race tomorrow, I think we've got a good one.

Cal

19-SEP-1997 22:52:36.71
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net 
Subject: RE: Dangerfield ??? [2576] [2577] [2580]
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>Ed,
>Are you kidding!  With all the partners loading up on her she'll be
>lucky to go off at 2-1, 1-1 if Lewis gets to a window!  Actually, we may

If Lewis gets to the window even money is only a dream!;-)
ap



>could be the 2nd or 3rd fave.  Could we be so lucky?
>Joe P
>>----------
>>From: 	Ed Blachaniec[SMTP:trifectawinner@sprintmail.com]
>>Sent: 	Friday, September 19, 1997 10:19 PM
>>To: 	virtual-owners@vop.org
>>Subject: 	Dangerfield ??? [2576]
>>
>>Paparouna Partners......Just like Rodney Dangerfield.... Paparouna, VOP
>>amd Liane are getting no respect. 8-1 morning line. I hope it stays
>>there at post time. Time will tell. Let's look for a safe trip. Happy
>>Trails. ED B.
>>
>
>

19-SEP-1997 22:19:55.82
From: IN%"Falstafguy@aol.com"
From: Falstafguy@aol.com 
Subject: Later [2579]
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ALL,
  Off on vacation now. I am counting on you all to bring Pappy home a winner
Sunday. A win photo in my vacation mail would be great.
HEY CAL, I'll be in Vegas the 29th and 30th. We got anybody who could run at
Hawthorne on those days. I can see me know betting Nat from the MGM or New
York,New York or Bally's or Caesers or..................

 Later all,
                  Darrell B

19-SEP-1997 21:42:54.97
From: IN%"cnlcronin@voyager.net"
From: cnlcronin@voyager.net 
Subject: Pappy [2578]
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Well, I'm not going to get to see Pappy's race...her post time and my
competing time coincide almost exactly with the time change.  I'll be
finishing my final test of the day just as they snap that win photo;
hopefully I'll be able to concentrate and not go off course!  Luck to us
all and I'll share my cross country motto with her:

"Safe and sound; clean and fast"

Lynn

19-SEP-1997 20:31:23.02
From: IN%"trifectawinner@sprintmail.com"
From: trifectawinner@sprintmail.com 
Subject: Dangerfield ??? [2576]
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Paparouna Partners......Just like Rodney Dangerfield.... Paparouna, VOP
amd Liane are getting no respect. 8-1 morning line. I hope it stays
there at post time. Time will tell. Let's look for a safe trip. Happy
Trails. ED B.

19-SEP-1997 18:34:54.24
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net 
Subject: Pappy [2575]
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Partners,
               Keep those pappy contest entries coming got 11 so far (i
kind of figured everyone would think it was bad luck so I was not
prepared)......This morning line maker MUST be smoking the funny
stuff..........I bet he or she wouldn't book the bets at 2-1..ha ha I
haven't looked at the pp's yet..I see spraggins has a horse in
here.....We have a horse who workrked 22.1 at 8-1 ML (HA).........I am
so ansious for SUNDAY......I am about to crawl out of my skin (IAnd I
don't even own her)....but when you see a nice one like her....she
instantly becomes my Fav....They are talking up in thursday DRF some
horse named silver Maiden........beat three colts in a prep for the
Lassie and all of a sudden she's the next coming of RUFFIAN.....Jeez she
couldn't shine Pappys Horseshoes....much less the IMMORTAL one's
     Cals right about one thing How will the Pappy react with other
horses around her esp at the start........Good thing she didn't draw the
rail....ussally death for a First timer.....I mean a workout is one
thing racing is another ...we know she got speed....elts see what
happens when another horse comes near her when shes running........Yeah
I have alot of confidence in the 8-1 LONGSHOT.......Less than 48 hours
until off time...she'sgot plenty of bottom via those 5f works.....Lets
get it on..I might even have a suprise if  and when she hits the winners
circle
                         Allan

19-SEP-1997 18:10:29.43
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net 
Subject: RE: General Questions [2552] [2553] [2554] [2574]
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At 10:46 AM 9/19/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Debby,
>If she was kicking at anything strange, Terry must have hit the deck!!!
>Joe P
>
>PS I'm sitting here waiting anxiously for Stable Mail to fire me a
>notice that Pappy's in.  Is everybody else as anxious as I am? 

Yeah! I've got the hives. Anyone have some calamine lotion?
ap











>>----------
>>From: 	debbderl@uic.edu[SMTP:debbderl@uic.edu]
>>Sent: 	Friday, September 19, 1997 10:35 AM
>>To: 	Tom Channic
>>Cc: 	virtual-owners@vop.org
>>Subject: 	Re: General Questions [2552] [2553]
>>
>>>
>>>I've been wondering about a few things.  Thanks to anyone with the
>>>answers.
>>>
>>>4) Will (has) Paparouna be(en) schooled in the paddock?
>>>
>>>Tom C.
>>>
>>Last week, after the Flash's race, Lianne mentioned that Paparouna had been
>>schooled in the paddock, and that P's basic reaction was to kick at anything
>>she thought was strange.
>>Debby D
>>
>>
>
>

19-SEP-1997 16:12:38.70
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com 
Subject: Crazy Eddie better start dancin' now! [2567]
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Y'all,

	We're racing!

	It's the fourth race on Sunday, field of seven and
Paparouna got the two hole.  However, it's raining at near
Biblical proportions in Arlington Heights at the moment and
it's to continue until Saturday night.  Crazy Eddie better
start dancing, becuase I'm a comin' for him and if I catch
him without his feet moving I'll be fixing it so he ain't
ever dancing again.

	Eddie, you been warned.

Cal

19-SEP-1997 16:09:36.32
From: IN%"milesm@slewpy.drf.com"
From: milesm@slewpy.drf.com 
Subject: StableMail -- Paparouna [2566]
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This is a notice from the Daily Racing Form's online StableMail which 
informs you when certain horses will be running in the near future. You  
are receiving this message because Paparouna is entered to run in the 4th 
race at Arlington Park on September 21, 1997. For more information about 
the race, be sure to check out Daily Racing Form's web site at 
http://www.drf.com/ or view the entries for this race at
http://www.drf.com/entries/21/.html.

You also wrote the following notes about this horse: 

Other Information About this Race
---------------------------------
Race Type:  Maiden
Claiming Price for Paparouna (if applicable):        
Surface: Dirt
Distance: 6 Furlongs
Jockey: Sibille R
Post Position: 2  
# of horses in race: 7 
--------------------------------
If you'd like to remove Paparouna from your list of horses to watch,
go to the StableMail removal form at http://www.drf.com/stablemail/remove.html.

19-SEP-1997 14:45:47.17
From: IN%"ksimpson@umich.edu"  "Karen Simpson"
From: ksimpson@umich.edu 
Subject: PAPAROUNA'S RACE [2564]
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HELLO EVERYONE

I'm a little superstitious( ok I'm  very superstitious) so I would't give a 
prediction about time or lengths. The lesson I learned from Paparouna's 
hives is that anything can happen with horses and dose so don't count your 
races before they are run. 

 However, under my wet blanket attitude I am so EXCITED I can't stand 
it.!!!!!.  Since I can't be there in person I'm gonna take the Ann Arbor 
Paparouna Fan Club on a road trip to watch it on simulcast at Detroit Race 
Course in Livonia. We will  be yelling and screaming and generally acting 
the fools on the outskirts of Detroit. 

PAPAROUNA YOU GO GIRL!!!

Karen

19-SEP-1997 14:12:53.39
From: IN%"RBDN74A@prodigy.com"
From: RBDN74A@prodigy.com 
Subject: Pappy's race. [2563]
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Good luck VOP and Pappy on Sunday. Let's hope she run's like she can..
.......
Joe

19-SEP-1997 13:13:46.75
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com 
Subject: Re: MSW's [2560] [2561]
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On Sep 19,  2:02pm, mihnea chiorean wrote:
> Subject: MSW's [2560]
> There's a MSW for 2yo fillies tomorrow, purse $20K, with 11 horses in
> it...what's the purse for Pappy's race?  Anyone have any dirt on the
> fillies in for Saturday's race and who might be in on Sunday?

	Saturday's race is for state breds.  The purse should be
the same for Paparouna.

Cal

>
> Lynn
>-- End of excerpt from mihnea chiorean

19-SEP-1997 13:07:07.43
From: IN%"chi-mike@usa.net"  "mihnea chiorean"
From: chi-mike@usa.net 
Subject: MSW's [2560]
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There's a MSW for 2yo fillies tomorrow, purse $20K, with 11 horses in
it...what's the purse for Pappy's race?  Anyone have any dirt on the
fillies in for Saturday's race and who might be in on Sunday?  I don't have
access to charts/PPs, and am starting to get excited and nervous...there's
something soothing about brooding over arcane numbers and microscopic print
(beats throwing your hands in the air and leaving it up to the horse!)  :)

Lynn

19-SEP-1997 12:56:36.51
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com 
Subject: Paparouna's Race [2559]
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Y'all,

	I stopped by the track at lunch and checked the
entry board and Paparouna's race has seven entered.  AP
is having trouble with entries and only five races have
filled so far (>=6 entries), so they may not draw until
late this evening.  I'll be out at the track later today
and will check again.

Cal

19-SEP-1997 12:41:19.47
From: IN%"trifectawinner@sprintmail.com"
From: trifectawinner@sprintmail.com 
Subject: Re: FYI [2557] [2558]
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PS...According to the fellow I spoke with, this race is going. ED B.

19-SEP-1997 12:21:05.41
From: IN%"trifectawinner@sprintmail.com"
From: trifectawinner@sprintmail.com 
Subject: FYI [2557]
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Paparouna Partners.....I just spoke with AP's racing secretaries office.
He said there are 7 entered in our race and paparouna is one of them. He
is still waiting for more entries  for the entire card before they draw.
Hopoefully he is correct. Don't hang me if he wasn't. I did not ask
which race it was. Happy Trails. ED B.

18-SEP-1997 19:41:27.70
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net 
Subject: Fwd: Re: web page [2519] [2545]
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Mike/all,
              Terry's the BEST webman around everyone SEZ so!! Mucho
grais Terry 

                                              Allan

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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:42:53 -0500 (EST)
From: "Michael E. White" <00mewhite@bsuvc.bsu.edu>
Subject: Re: web page [2519]
In-reply-to: <199709172204.PAA19506@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net>
To: Allan Weston 
Cc: virtual-owners@vop.org
Message-id: 
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

Praise's go to Terry B. who uploaded the updates the other day.
The restricted web pages still use the username partner and the
password Vop97


Mike
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   |\/|	       Ball State University / University Computing Services
  /bb "\.     
 /   _,"\    Some assembly and C++ required. Batteries not included.
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 ~~   \      

On Wed, 17 Sep 1997, Allan Weston wrote:

> Partners,
>               My hatsoff to Mr mike White for updating ourweb pge
> Icanasume that can't I ,Mike a job wel done....(ps could yiou give me
> the new password so that I can logon off line)
> 
>                           Allan         ,
>   
> 


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18-SEP-1997 19:27:29.81
From: IN%"jeffy@megsinet.net"  "Jeff Yelke"
From: jeffy@megsinet.net 
Subject: Re: Pappy contest [2514] [2544]
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All,

My  guess...

1:13 1/5 by 4

She has a big lead and coasts home, allowing others to close a bit.

Jeff

18-SEP-1997 18:58:27.52
From: IN%"elvis@mcs.com"
From: elvis@mcs.com 
Subject: Re: elvisware has Lady 4th! [2516] [2543]
---------------------------------------------------
elvis@MCS.COM wrote:

> I predict our horse will do better.

So much for my predictions.

  Something must be wrong with my mail, because I have none talking
about LL's lackluster finish 5 hours ago.

But one thing did hold, in that a VOP horse has yet to finish higher
than third when elvisware said to layoff betting.  This may make the
show bettors say something derogatory, but for the wins we've had in the
past 16 months, there has always been something showing up in the
horse's  numbers to make it worth a wager.  For win or place or exacta
bettors, you've saved a lot of money if you stayed away from the window
when there was nothing showing up.

18-SEP-1997 18:47:31.14
From: IN%"elvis@mcs.com"
From: elvis@mcs.com 
Subject: Pappy not set in stone yet. [2542]
---------------------------------------------------
While playing hooky from work to watch Lady watch four horses' butts for
an entire race, Cal did mention that the race isn't set yet, and they
will know more on Friday.

However, in the spirit of things, I can't imagine our baby blowing away
a field of 10 or more by a lot.  So I'll take a conservative 1 length,
111.8.

 



Charles C Baker wrote:
> 
> Allan Weston wrote:
> >
> > Partners,
> >               Horse racing is a fun game sometimes so I am sponsering a
> > pappy contest......its easy pick the winning time and the amount of
> > lengths the pappy wins by on Sunday....winner gets...well I haven't
> > really thought it out maybe a jockey card of CC lopez (ha ha) and what
> > if pappy loses I see cal saying right now....ok ok she gotta win in
> > order for the contest to be valid
> > but i see no problem with that.....so since its my contest I get to go
> > first...how bout a 111,1 and 7 lengths.....anybody else willing to put
> > their opionion on the line for HUGE prizes......
> >
> >                                        Allan
> 
>   Hey Allan!
> 
>    I'm in!   I'll say   1:12:00    and a   9 length win...
> 
>   Charlie Baker

18-SEP-1997 18:15:05.73
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net 
Subject: Re: Pappy contest [2514] [2541]
---------------------------------------------------
Al, V's,

If we were in Kentucky I'd venture a guess of 1:09 4/5 s. Since we are at
the Last meet ever at AP and the 2 yr olds have been crawling around the
track I see it a bit slower than that, saving our baby for another race.
Lengths have to be around 15. Time 1:10 3/5s if and only if the track is
lightening fast.

ap




At 07:46 PM 9/17/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Partners,
>              Horse racing is a fun game sometimes so I am sponsering a
>pappy contest......its easy pick the winning time and the amount of
>lengths the pappy wins by on Sunday....winner gets...well I haven't
>really thought it out maybe a jockey card of CC lopez (ha ha) and what
>if pappy loses I see cal saying right now....ok ok she gotta win in
>order for the contest to be valid
>but i see no problem with that.....so since its my contest I get to go
>first...how bout a 111,1 and 7 lengths.....anybody else willing to put
>their opionion on the line for HUGE prizes......
>
>                                       Allan
>
>

18-SEP-1997 18:14:00.94
From: IN%"tlbjor@searle.monsanto.com"
From: tlbjor@searle.monsanto.com 
Subject: LL [2540]
---------------------------------------------------

Never ran a lick, finishing 5th. Cal's call of the 3-4 finish was correct.
Mark said she didn't want to run early, so he settled her in and
tried to make a move at the end. The rail opened at the top of the stretch
and he took it, at which point she looked like she had something but
ran out of gas. Beat only Incadar.

Had a decent day at the windows - small loss on the 1st, $16+ Q in 2nd (yes
I had LL in the box), and a $10+ winner and $68+ exacta in the 3rd which 
I handicapped, and bet, on my way out the door. This game is so easy.

Beautiful day and free admission. 

Terry

18-SEP-1997 18:03:54.13
From: IN%"Sunwalker@warpnet.net"  "Sunwalker Ostrich Ranch"
From: Sunwalker@warpnet.net 
Subject: FW: Pappy contest [2514] [2539]
---------------------------------------------------
   With the cool weather predicted for the weekend,
the horses should really feel like running. I say a time
of 1:10 4/5 by a margin of 5 lengths. Watch out folks,
she may sprout wings!
   Ed Blair


----------
From: 	Allan Weston[SMTP:biggestal2@webtv.net]
Sent: 	Wednesday, September 17, 1997 6:46 PM
To: 	virtual-owners@vop.org
Subject: 	Pappy contest [2514]

Partners,
              Horse racing is a fun game sometimes so I am sponsering a
pappy contest......its easy pick the winning time and the amount of
lengths the pappy wins by on Sunday....winner gets...well I haven't
really thought it out maybe a jockey card of CC lopez (ha ha) and what
if pappy loses I see cal saying right now....ok ok she gotta win in
order for the contest to be valid
but i see no problem with that.....so since its my contest I get to go
first...how bout a 111,1 and 7 lengths.....anybody else willing to put
their opionion on the line for HUGE prizes......

                                       Allan

18-SEP-1997 18:01:32.60
From: IN%"drew@ctnet.com"  "Drew"
From: drew@ctnet.com 
Subject: Internet World article [2538]
---------------------------------------------------
You can read the Internet World article online. I scanned
it in and put it on my Web site in two parts:
   http://home.ctnet.com/drew/iw9710p1.gif
   http://home.ctnet.com/drew/iw9710p2.gif

Terry and/or Mike. Iffin' you want to snag those GIFs and
put 'em on the VOP site, maybe with some nice links or 
whatever, that'd be just fine.



====================================================
I think someone should invent Beerguard, because how 
often do you actually spill scotch on the carpet?  
                                   --  Chris Sampson
---------------------------------------------------- 
Drew Ivan                             drew@ctnet.com
====================================================

18-SEP-1997 17:31:02.17
From: IN%"drew@ctnet.com"  "Drew"
From: drew@ctnet.com 
Subject: LL results [2536]
---------------------------------------------------
I don't know the particulars, but the DRF site is 
reporting the results as

3 - SWEET N WARM   5.80  3.40  2.80
4 - FARM LADY            6.20  3.40
5 - LOVE A LITTLE              3.20

None scratched.



====================================================
I think someone should invent Beerguard, because how 
often do you actually spill scotch on the carpet?  
                                   --  Chris Sampson
---------------------------------------------------- 
Drew Ivan                             drew@ctnet.com
====================================================

18-SEP-1997 17:30:35.86
From: IN%"ChgoRanger@aol.com"
From: ChgoRanger@aol.com 
Subject: Re: Pappy contest [2514] [2535]
---------------------------------------------------
In a message dated 97-09-18 10:31:16 EDT, you write:

<< Partners,
               Horse racing is a fun game sometimes so I am sponsering a
 pappy contest......its easy pick the winning time and the amount of
 lengths the pappy wins by on Sunday....winner gets...well I haven't
 really thought it out maybe a jockey card of CC lopez (ha ha) and what
 if pappy loses I see cal saying right now....ok ok she gotta win in
 order for the contest to be valid
 but i see no problem with that.....so since its my contest I get to go
 first...how bout a 111,1 and 7 lengths.....anybody else willing to put
 their opionion on the line for HUGE prizes......
 
                                        Allan >>

sorry to be party pooper, but I say Pappy PLACES.....do I win anything for
that prediction??   

Sean

18-SEP-1997 12:48:13.96
From: IN%"shorts@interaccess.com"  "John K Martynus"
From: shorts@interaccess.com 
Subject: RE: LL vs Incadar [2512] [2529] [2533]
---------------------------------------------------
On Thu, 18 Sep 1997, Cal Jestice wrote:
> 	I remember it very clearly.  I also seem to remember 
> there were some smilies in that area of the post, so I didn't
> take it too seriously.
Ah...now I got the whole picture...posts regarding this seemed to be nasty
in tone.  I'm glad this has been clarified to me.  

> 	HOWEVER, I did talk to Dave Zenner yesterday and
> he's very keen on Incandar's chances and talking about how
> well she's training, Garret taking the mount, yada, yada, yada....
> 	I'm thinking you're posturing is a smoke screen
> to help the price. 8^)
Well...I won't be dropping any money on her...but then, I don't drop any
money on my own since Itbaya finished up the track on Million Day 95.  I'm
superstitious that way.  

John K. Martynus       JK-Martynus@govst.edu      shorts@interaccess.com
"Of course I left her a tip.Crazy Horse in the 5th at Aqueduct"-Leroy Lockhorn
"Sometimes I wish I knew what was going on here."  --Henry Blake
"I'm not drunk.  I'm sobriety challenged."

18-SEP-1997 12:47:42.70
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com 
Subject: Lady's Race [2532]
---------------------------------------------------
Y'all,

	It's a tough one to call, but here goes.

	First off, there isn't any real speed in this race.
We've got a bunch of cheap pressers that fold when pushed
too early.  Nobody in this race holds form.  I could make
a case for any horse in the race (including Incadar) based
on the inconsistancy of the competition.  My WAGs for today.

#1 Miss Ambrosia - Had some real gas last year when winning
a MdSpWt at first asking.  Went even fast her next out and
came back with fine effort after that.  Filly blew something
out on the turf and her return after a year was not what the
connections were hoping for.  Drops down a notch and may show
some more speed with one under her belt.

#2 Incadar - Comes off a four month lay-off with six evenly
spaced works.  Prior form was nothing special, but the work
pattern, leading jock and predictions of utter failure by her
owners make me curious about this one.

#3 Sweet n Warm - 50/50 chance of this filly finding trouble
at the start.  If she can get away clean she looks to be one
of the top two contenders.  Was beaten by Lady Lomond when
this one had trouble at the start.

#4 Farm Lady - After finding what it took to get this horse
to win, the connections screwed around with changing distance
and surfaces in her last two.  Back to 6f on the dirt where
she is a top contender.

#5 Love a Little - Drops in price and distance after chasing
a hot pace twice at a mile.  Sibille gets off Lady Lomond to
ride this one.  Her numbers are improving and her career best
number from last year is many lengths better than this field.

#6 Lady Lomond - Don't know which personality of Cybil will
show up in this horse today.  Her best races put her on even
terms with the 3&4.  Her flops put her out of the picture.
Gets Guidry for the first time and hopefully he has enough
sense to have her sit just of the pace and make a move.

	The contenders in here look to be the 3,4,5&6.  It's
hard to say how they'll finished based on Lady's all or nothing
efforts and SnW's gate problems.  I'll look to follow the VOP
trend of snakebit thirds and call the race: 3-4-6.

Cal

18-SEP-1997 12:45:54.27
From: IN%"joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com"  "Pacheco, Joe"
From: joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com 
Subject: Lady's Race? [2530]
---------------------------------------------------
Partners,
It seems like we have some diverse opinions on Lady's race.  Elvisware
likes the 1 and 3.  Sean likes the 4.  Alan, the Elvis lover, also likes
the 1 and 3, I like the 5 a little.  Everybody also seems to like Lady's
chances if see can repeat her last.  Based on our handicappers past
record, I think a large bet on the 2 is in order.  Cal?
Joe P

18-SEP-1997 09:21:38.68
From: IN%"Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com"  "Cal Jestice"
From: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com 
Subject: RE: LL vs Incadar [2512] [2529]
---------------------------------------------------
John,

	I remember it very clearly.  I also seem to remember 
there were some smilies in that area of the post, so I didn't
take it too seriously.

	HOWEVER, I did talk to Dave Zenner yesterday and
he's very keen on Incandar's chances and talking about how
well she's training, Garret taking the mount, yada, yada, yada....

	I'm thinking you're posturing is a smoke screen
to help the price. 8^)

Cal

----------
From: 	John K Martynus
Sent: 	Wednesday, September 17, 1997 3:03 PM
To: 	Virtual Owners
Subject: 	LL vs Incadar [2512]

Well gang, as someone who was some involvement with both horses (even
though I don't own LL, I am still involved with VOP), I'm all for a little
rivalry.  However, as someone who has known Jason for a while, I don't
remember him making a statement like "better stay out of the way" either
on or off the list (and he has been off the list a long time since he sold
all his interests).  I believe he has been off the list since the end of
1996 or early 1997.  If someone still has that email archived, please send
it to me...I'd like to see it.  Then I'll shut him up.  Jason was always
one of the more outspoken people on the list, but I cannot recall him 
making such a statement.  Once again, if someone can tell me when, I'll be
more than happy to tell him to shut up and quit smack talking.
However, my feeling is let the horses duke it out on the track.  If LL
wins, then great.  Obviously, if Incadar wins, I'll be very happy, but I
won't be saying LL sucks.  

John K. Martynus       JK-Martynus@govst.edu      shorts@interaccess.com
"Of course I left her a tip.Crazy Horse in the 5th at Aqueduct"-Leroy Lockhorn
"Sometimes I wish I knew what was going on here."  --Henry Blake
"I'm not drunk.  I'm sobriety challenged."

18-SEP-1997 08:59:13.09
From: IN%"ccbree@uky.campus.mci.net"
From: ccbree@uky.campus.mci.net 
Subject: Re: Pappy contest [2514] [2528]
---------------------------------------------------
Allan Weston wrote:
> 
> Partners,
>               Horse racing is a fun game sometimes so I am sponsering a
> pappy contest......its easy pick the winning time and the amount of
> lengths the pappy wins by on Sunday....winner gets...well I haven't
> really thought it out maybe a jockey card of CC lopez (ha ha) and what
> if pappy loses I see cal saying right now....ok ok she gotta win in
> order for the contest to be valid
> but i see no problem with that.....so since its my contest I get to go
> first...how bout a 111,1 and 7 lengths.....anybody else willing to put
> their opionion on the line for HUGE prizes......
> 
>                                        Allan


  Hey Allan!

   I'm in!   I'll say   1:12:00    and a   9 length win...


  Charlie Baker

18-SEP-1997 08:56:32.74
From: IN%"RJVS65A@prodigy.com"
From: RJVS65A@prodigy.com 
Subject: Pappy contest [2514] [2527]
---------------------------------------------------
Ok, here we go,
      Paparouna in a rout by 8 lengths in 110.4!   BTW, I'm driving 
into town for her race with family in tow on Saturday.   Any plans 
yet for some sorta get together?  Also, the Radisson in Arlington Hts 
has rooms for 49.00 on Saturday, but you have to get reservations on-
line to get that rate.  Their web address is www.radisson.com.  See 
many of you very soon!  

Jim "Been dreaming about this for months and every time I think about 
it, I feel like a kid laying in bed on Christmas eve waiting for 
morning" Fitzwater

  


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From: biggestal2@webtv.net (Allan Weston)
Subject: Pappy contest [2514]
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Partners,
              Horse racing is a fun game sometimes so I am sponsering 
a
pappy contest......its easy pick the winning time and the amount of
lengths the pappy wins by on Sunday....winner gets...well I haven't
really thought it out maybe a jockey card of CC lopez (ha ha) and 
what
if pappy loses I see cal saying right now....ok ok she gotta win in
order for the contest to be valid
but i see no problem with that.....so since its my contest I get to 
go
first...how bout a 111,1 and 7 lengths.....anybody else willing to 
put
their opionion on the line for HUGE prizes......

                                       Allan


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18-SEP-1997 08:50:30.07
From: IN%"elvis@mcs.com"
From: elvis@mcs.com 
Subject: LL morning line [2526]
---------------------------------------------------
2ND RACE AP  SEPTEMBER 18TH - $2 EXACTA/$2 QUINELLA  $2 DAILY DOUBLE
(RACES
============================    2 & 3)

        6 FURLONGS DIRT; CLAIMING $5,000; PURSE $6,500.        
        FOR FILLIES AND MARES, THREE YEARS OLD AND UPWARD WHICH
HAVE        
        NEVER WON TWO RACES. Three Year Olds, 118 lbs. Older, 122
lbs.        
        Non-Winners Of A Race Since July 18, 1997, 3 lbs. Such A
Race        
        Since June 18, 1997, 5 lbs. CLAIMING PRICE $5,000.        

                         PROGRAM SELECTIONS: 6 - 3 -
5                         

  # HORSE NAME                 ML  JOCKEY          WT   TRAINER        
MED EQP
 -- ----------                 --  ------          --   -------        
--- ---
  1 MISS AMBROSIA              6/1 LAVIOLETTE S    117  MITCHELL P
S      L     
  2 INCADAR                   15/1 GOMEZ G         113  CILIO G
A         L     
  3 SWEET N WARM               5/2 RAZO JR E       119  LIVESAY
C         L     
  4 FARM LADY                  5/1 MACIAS L        115  HINSLEY
D         L     
  5 LOVE A LITTLE              7/2 SIBILLE R       117  HOFFMAN K
E       L     
  6 LADY LOMOND                2/1 GUIDRY M        117  DAVIS L
P         L

18-SEP-1997 08:16:40.92
From: IN%"ChgNick@aol.com"
From: ChgNick@aol.com 
Subject: Paparouna [2524]
---------------------------------------------------
Partners,

Saw pappy today, the poor girl has hives all over her body. They seem worse
then they did last week. I'm not sure if it was the work from Sunday or the
humidy and hot weather this week. This did not seem to affect her personality
though, she was in great spirits as usual. Always happy to get attention. I
was wondering, and maybe I'm looking at this from a human perspective, but
the hives do not seem to be bothering her. I know I'd be going crazy! Is this
because of the medicine we have her on? Or do hives not have the same affect
on the equine species?

Nick Urso

17-SEP-1997 22:13:08.83
From: IN%"ldawson@netins.net"
From: ldawson@netins.net 
Subject: Re: Pappy contest [2514] [2522]
---------------------------------------------------
Allan Weston wrote:
> 
> Partners,
>               Horse racing is a fun game sometimes so I am sponsering a
> pappy contest......its easy pick the winning time and the amount of
> lengths the pappy wins by on Sunday....winner gets...well I haven't
> really thought it out maybe a jockey card of CC lopez (ha ha) and what
> if pappy loses I see cal saying right now....ok ok she gotta win in
> order for the contest to be valid
> but i see no problem with that.....so since its my contest I get to go
> first...how bout a 111,1 and 7 lengths.....anybody else willing to put
> their opionion on the line for HUGE prizes......
> 
>                                        Allan


ALLAN:

I'm going to be a little less optimistic.  I say Pappy will win by 3.5
lengths in 112 flat.  SHOW ME THE PRIZES!

Eric Dawson

17-SEP-1997 22:09:42.83
From: IN%"trifectawinner@sprintmail.com"
From: trifectawinner@sprintmail.com 
Subject: Web Master [2520]
---------------------------------------------------
Master......Just noticed an update today on our page. Last update
9/15/97. Major new additions. I come up with the latest addition of
5/27/97, the Dance Naturally race. Happy Trails. ED B.

17-SEP-1997 22:06:40.26
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net 
Subject: web page [2519]
---------------------------------------------------
Partners,
              My hatsoff to Mr mike White for updating ourweb pge
Icanasume that can't I ,Mike a job wel done....(ps could yiou give me
the new password so that I can logon off line)

                          Allan         ,
  

17-SEP-1997 21:13:12.33
From: IN%"ldawson@netins.net"
From: ldawson@netins.net 
Subject: Bryan Cox [2518]
---------------------------------------------------
I was told by someone that Bryan Cox of the Chicago Bears owns race
horses.  Is this true and does anyone know the names of his horses?

Curious

Eric Dawson

17-SEP-1997 21:10:23.45
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net 
Subject: Lady's race [2517]
---------------------------------------------------
Partners,
               Here are the weston kiss of death picks for Lady's race

 1. Last race was first off a long layoff ...has to improve about 5
lengths to be competitive here

2. The pride and joy of the Banner headline Stable....ALWAYS tires in
the stretch run ....would not bet her with the BOSK's MONEY
will need acouple before willing to put hard earned dinero on
her.....toss 

3.had a bad start last out...has some nice back numbers

4. Not a turfer or router as last two show moves back to a much more
realistic spot

5 Another speedy typewho's quit in the strech in her last 3 shortens up
to 6

6.Lady LOMOND---Was just about to be shipped to podunk when she up and
ran the best race of her life (Beyer wise)...fits well with these off
her last

Lady has by and away the best last number
there are 4 other here  who have a shot the 1 will improve ...how much
thats for bigger minds than minethe 3 who's bad start comprimised any
hope in her last and has some nice back numbers the 4 who was
inappopritily spottted in her last 2 and the 5 who train is guessing
that shortening her up will make her stay better....there ain't no edge
here so I ain't betting but if someone held a gun to my head
i'll take the 1-6-3 inn a slight upset

                            Allan

17-SEP-1997 20:54:41.87
From: IN%"elvis@mcs.com"
From: elvis@mcs.com 
Subject: elvisware has Lady 4th! [2516]
---------------------------------------------------
Surprised me too, but here's the numbers:

Fitness - Love a Little 10, Sweet n Warm 9, LL 8
Ability - Miss Ambrosia 10, LL 3
Class - Miss Ambrosia 10, LL 1
Speed - Sweet N Warm 10, Miss Ambrosia 8, LL 0?!
Pace - Miss Ambrosia 10, Sweet N Warm 10, LL 7
Overall - Miss Ambrosia 9/5, Sweet N Warm 3/1, Love a Little 4/1, LL
9/1, Farm Lady 11/1, Incadar last.  Farm Lady and Incadar got
"Inadequate Data" Messages.

I predict our horse will do better.

17-SEP-1997 20:50:58.09
From: IN%"bosk@bosk.com"  "The World Renowned Jason Boskey"
From: bosk@bosk.com 
Subject: Best of Luck Thursday [2515]
---------------------------------------------------

Best of luck to you folks with Lady Lomond Thursday.  Hopefully, one of us
will be able to be in the winners' circle, with you guys having a much
better chance than us.


Bosk

17-SEP-1997 20:48:32.57
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net 
Subject: Pappy contest [2514]
---------------------------------------------------
Partners,
              Horse racing is a fun game sometimes so I am sponsering a
pappy contest......its easy pick the winning time and the amount of
lengths the pappy wins by on Sunday....winner gets...well I haven't
really thought it out maybe a jockey card of CC lopez (ha ha) and what
if pappy loses I see cal saying right now....ok ok she gotta win in
order for the contest to be valid
but i see no problem with that.....so since its my contest I get to go
first...how bout a 111,1 and 7 lengths.....anybody else willing to put
their opionion on the line for HUGE prizes......

                                       Allan

17-SEP-1997 20:45:50.70
From: IN%"joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com"  "Pacheco, Joe"
From: joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com 
Subject: Lady's race [2513]
---------------------------------------------------
Partners,
I just got the DRF and looked at lady's competition.  It is a difficult
one to pick, no standouts.  If Lady matches her last performance, she
should be right there.  The DRF Selections like #3 Sweet and Warm, but
Lady beat her by 4 lenghts last time out.  The #5 Love a Little has only
had 5 races and her Beyers are improving so she could make a move
forward.  I figure a little 5-6 exacta box and a bet on the Lady to win.
 Thoughts?
Joe P
PS Anybody want to drop a claim on Bosk's horse?  Just kidding.

17-SEP-1997 16:43:41.48
From: IN%"shorts@interaccess.com"  "John K Martynus"
From: shorts@interaccess.com 
Subject: LL vs Incadar [2512]
---------------------------------------------------
Well gang, as someone who was some involvement with both horses (even
though I don't own LL, I am still involved with VOP), I'm all for a little
rivalry.  However, as someone who has known Jason for a while, I don't
remember him making a statement like "better stay out of the way" either
on or off the list (and he has been off the list a long time since he sold
all his interests).  I believe he has been off the list since the end of
1996 or early 1997.  If someone still has that email archived, please send
it to me...I'd like to see it.  Then I'll shut him up.  Jason was always
one of the more outspoken people on the list, but I cannot recall him 
making such a statement.  Once again, if someone can tell me when, I'll be
more than happy to tell him to shut up and quit smack talking.
However, my feeling is let the horses duke it out on the track.  If LL
wins, then great.  Obviously, if Incadar wins, I'll be very happy, but I
won't be saying LL sucks.  

John K. Martynus       JK-Martynus@govst.edu      shorts@interaccess.com
"Of course I left her a tip.Crazy Horse in the 5th at Aqueduct"-Leroy Lockhorn
"Sometimes I wish I knew what was going on here."  --Henry Blake
"I'm not drunk.  I'm sobriety challenged."

17-SEP-1997 10:19:42.25
From: IN%"Burgooking@aol.com"
From: Burgooking@aol.com 
Subject: Ladys Race [2510]
---------------------------------------------------
Partners:

Nice to see we are the morning line favorite.  I for one hope that the
weather man is wrong.  I'm hearing a high of 84 and humid.  Not the
best weather for a horse with a breathing problem.  Come on with 
that cold front!   On the other hand it is nice to have Mark riding for
us again. I'm gonna get my hair cut for luck.

Steve Lewis
 

17-SEP-1997 09:07:46.70
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com 
Subject: Re: Lady and the pappy [2502] [2508] [2509]
---------------------------------------------------
On Sep 17,  8:40am, CRAZZYB@aol.com wrote:
> Subject: Re: Lady and the pappy [2502] [2508]
> Who is going to be riding Lady and Pappy in this weeks races?
> It showed in the DRF that Guidry was riding Lady, is that right?

	Guidry is on Lady and Ray will likely ride Paparouna
since he's worked her the last three times.  I'll confirm this
with Liane today and if it's not Ray, I'll let everyone know.

Cal
>
> Bob J.
>-- End of excerpt from CRAZZYB@aol.com

17-SEP-1997 08:40:11.42
From: IN%"CRAZZYB@aol.com"
From: CRAZZYB@aol.com 
Subject: Re: Lady and the pappy [2502] [2508]
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Who is going to be riding Lady and Pappy in this weeks races?
It showed in the DRF that Guidry was riding Lady, is that right?

Bob J.

16-SEP-1997 23:42:44.48
From: IN%"ultra-tek@pnc.com.au"  "Ultra-Tek Industries Pty Ltd"
From: ultra-tek@pnc.com.au 
Subject: New Therapeutic Horseshoe [2507]
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16-SEP-1997 22:34:41.32
From: IN%"trifectawinner@sprintmail.com"
From: trifectawinner@sprintmail.com 
Subject: FYI [2506]
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Lady Lomond is the 2/1 morning line favorite in the 2nd race on 9/18.
Wish all those partners the best. Happy trails. ED B.

16-SEP-1997 18:03:42.81
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net 
Subject: Fwd: Re:  Re: Placement [2489] [2494] [2495] [2496] [2504] [2505]
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Partners,
               Bob's right....they are going in the ight direction in
Minnesota.......exactly oppoisite of Illinios
                         Allan
                  

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:56:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: BobProc@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Re: Placement [2489] [2494] [2495] [2496] [2504]
To: jestice@pcs.mot.com, virtual-owners@vop.org
Message-id: <970916185321_-129943875@emout06.mail.aol.com>
Comments: Virtual-Owners-Partnership Mailing List


In a message dated 9/17/97 1:33:06 AM, jestice@pcs.mot.com wrote:

<>

All,

Wouldyoubelieve the "Canterbury Million"?  ;-)

                 Bob P.

--Boundary_[ID_4y7bxlPK7W5AR71hfLGjwQ]--

16-SEP-1997 17:59:39.02
From: IN%"BobProc@aol.com"
From: BobProc@aol.com 
Subject: Re:  Re: Placement [2489] [2494] [2495] [2496] [2504]
---------------------------------------------------

In a message dated 9/17/97 1:33:06 AM, jestice@pcs.mot.com wrote:

<>

All,

Wouldyoubelieve the "Canterbury Million"?  ;-)

                 Bob P.

16-SEP-1997 17:16:20.46
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com 
Subject: Re: Lady and the pappy [2502] [2503]
---------------------------------------------------
	Come on, Allan. Show a little enthusasm.  8^)

On Sep 16,  6:07pm, Allan Weston wrote:
> Subject: Lady and the pappy [2502]
> Partners,
>               well....wel'l...well....I remember the Bosk's last post as
> a member of VOP something about keeping Lady out of INCADAR way....well
> the two clash tomorro>>>hey bosk you wouldn't like a friendly little
> side wager would you? Lady will eat this field for dinner
> while INCADAR will be hard pressed to finish
> yes a little harsh.....but Bosk shouldn't have spouted off at the
> mouth.......Lady got a 50 BEYER which bodes well for her on Thursday
> if she runs the same....well lets just say keep the winners circle warm
> for VOP.....
>               Meanwhile on THE PAPPY front we have offical confirmation
> of Pappy's work
> 47hg (THE BEST WORK OF 57)...no horse was even close to the Pappy
> work....Load em up for SUNDAY PAPPY"S got a BULLET in the
> holster......oh for those of you new people to horse racing the best
> work of the day at the distance gets a little black dot  (or a bullet)
> nest to the work....only 5 days until sunday....not that I am counting
> mind you
>
>                                         Allan
>-- End of excerpt from Allan Weston

16-SEP-1997 17:10:20.59
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net 
Subject: Lady and the pappy [2502]
---------------------------------------------------
Partners,
              well....wel'l...well....I remember the Bosk's last post as
a member of VOP something about keeping Lady out of INCADAR way....well
the two clash tomorro>>>hey bosk you wouldn't like a friendly little
side wager would you? Lady will eat this field for dinner
while INCADAR will be hard pressed to finish
yes a little harsh.....but Bosk shouldn't have spouted off at the
mouth.......Lady got a 50 BEYER which bodes well for her on Thursday
if she runs the same....well lets just say keep the winners circle warm
for VOP.....
              Meanwhile on THE PAPPY front we have offical confirmation
of Pappy's work
47hg (THE BEST WORK OF 57)...no horse was even close to the Pappy
work....Load em up for SUNDAY PAPPY"S got a BULLET in the
holster......oh for those of you new people to horse racing the best
work of the day at the distance gets a little black dot  (or a bullet)
nest to the work....only 5 days until sunday....not that I am counting
mind you

                                        Allan

16-SEP-1997 11:20:00.93
From: IN%"joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com"  "Pacheco, Joe"
From: joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com 
Subject: Lady's In [2500]
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Partners,
Lady's in on Thursday, 2nd race, six going, out of the six pole.  Love
those short fields.
Joe P

16-SEP-1997 11:12:13.85
From: IN%"milesm@slewpy.drf.com"
From: milesm@slewpy.drf.com 
Subject: StableMail -- Lady Lomond [2499]
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This is a notice from the Daily Racing Form's online StableMail which 
informs you when certain horses will be running in the near future. You  
are receiving this message because Lady Lomond is entered to run in the 2nd 
race at Arlington Park on September 18, 1997. For more information about 
the race, be sure to check out Daily Racing Form's web site at 
http://www.drf.com/ or view the entries for this race at
http://www.drf.com/entries/18/.html.

You also wrote the following notes about this horse: 

Other Information About this Race
---------------------------------
Race Type: 
Claiming Price for Lady Lomond (if applicable):   5,000
Surface: Dirt
Distance: 6 Furlongs
Jockey: Guidry M      
Post Position: 6  
# of horses in race: 6 
--------------------------------
If you'd like to remove Lady Lomond from your list of horses to watch,
go to the StableMail removal form at http://www.drf.com/stablemail/remove.html.

16-SEP-1997 11:06:35.81
From: IN%"shorts@interaccess.com"  "John K Martynus"
From: shorts@interaccess.com 
Subject: Re: grudge match [2497] [2498]
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On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Terry Bjork wrote:
> 2nd race on Thursday - VOP's Lady Lomond vs. Jason Boskey's
> Incadar.
Hey!!  I also own this horse...in fact, I own more of it than Jason does.
Wouldn't it have been interesting if I owned some of LL...we would have
been running 1 and 1A...John Martynus owned entry  8)
However, I would not expect Incadar to do very much even though this is
the lowest class she has ever raced...this is her first after a lengthy
layoff
BTW, I do plan on being at the track Thursday afternoon in case
anyone wants to meet up.

John K. Martynus       JK-Martynus@govst.edu      shorts@interaccess.com
"Of course I left her a tip.Crazy Horse in the 5th at Aqueduct"-Leroy Lockhorn
"Sometimes I wish I knew what was going on here."  --Henry Blake
"I'm not drunk.  I'm sobriety challenged."

16-SEP-1997 11:00:14.40
From: IN%"tlbjor@searle.monsanto.com"
From: tlbjor@searle.monsanto.com 
Subject: grudge match [2497]
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2nd race on Thursday - VOP's Lady Lomond vs. Jason Boskey's
Incadar.

Terry

16-SEP-1997 10:35:03.16
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com 
Subject: Re: Placement [2489] [2494] [2495] [2496]
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On Sep 16, 11:16am, Drew wrote:
> Subject: Re: Placement [2489] [2494] [2495]
>
> However, I'm a little concerned about what will happen when
> AP closes for the year. After all, it may never reopen!
> That will put Hawthorne in the position that AP currently
> occupies: the monopolizer of Chicago racing during the best
> part of the year. I'm not suggesting we try to come up with
> a plan to cope with this situation, but I would be interested
> to hear the opinions of Chicago VOPsters.
>
> Do you think that, as the only open track, Haw will card the
> same level of races as this year? (claimers <18K)

	Yes.  Hawthorne is more concerned with full fields
and keeping the horsemen happy.  I feel the same about
Sportsmans.  The only drawback to Hawthorne running over
the summer is their turf course isn't as big as AP. It
won't be able to take a whole bunch of racing before it
looks like a plowed field.
>
> What will become of the stakes races that AP used to host?
> (not that we'll probably have to worry about running in them)

	AP will likely get other tracks to host the graded
stakes.  Hawthorne may pick up some of the lesser stakes.
>
> What will the purse levels be like? Higher because Haw will
> have the best racing dates?

	It's hard to say, but my guess is that they wouldn't
be lower than Arlington's or Hawthorne's are now.

Cal
>
> Just wondering.
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Forget world peace. Visualize using your turn signal.
> .....................................................
> Drew Ivan                              drew@ctnet.com
> =====================================================
>
>
>-- End of excerpt from Drew

16-SEP-1997 10:19:11.28
From: IN%"drew@ctnet.com"  "Drew"
From: drew@ctnet.com 
Subject: Re: Placement [2489] [2494] [2495]
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>	I think the biggest change is the appearance of the
>Hawthorne condition book followed by the willingness of AP
>to write a bigger selection of races.  The fact that a lot
>of the tougher horses have run through some conditions and
>left easier fields have helped.

I agree. Not only does Hawthorne's condition book increase
the number of races to choose from, it also forces AP to
card similar races in order to compete. Right now is a 
*great* time to be racing, and VOP is lucky to have a full
stable of healthy horses to take advantage of the situation.

However, I'm a little concerned about what will happen when
AP closes for the year. After all, it may never reopen!
That will put Hawthorne in the position that AP currently
occupies: the monopolizer of Chicago racing during the best
part of the year. I'm not suggesting we try to come up with
a plan to cope with this situation, but I would be interested
to hear the opinions of Chicago VOPsters.

Do you think that, as the only open track, Haw will card the
same level of races as this year? (claimers <18K)

What will become of the stakes races that AP used to host?
(not that we'll probably have to worry about running in them)

What will the purse levels be like? Higher because Haw will
have the best racing dates? 

Just wondering.



-----------------------------------------------------
Forget world peace. Visualize using your turn signal.
.....................................................
Drew Ivan                              drew@ctnet.com
=====================================================

16-SEP-1997 09:24:04.33
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com 
Subject: Re: Placement [2489] [2494]
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On Sep 15,  9:48pm, Burgooking@aol.com wrote:
> Subject: Placement [2489]
> Partners:
>
> Is it my imagination or are we finally starting to place our horses where
> they belong.

	With the exception of Dance Naturally, we've had our
horses in the best spots available.

	I think the biggest change is the appearance of the
Hawthorne condition book followed by the willingness of AP
to write a bigger selection of races.  The fact that a lot
of the tougher horses have run through some conditions and
left easier fields have helped.

	Arlington has set a limit on the minimum allowed
claiming levels and conditions at the track.  For instance,
turf claimers bottom out at the 18K->20K level.  That in
itself is not too significant, but what they've also done
is restrict the number of different levels of turf claiming
races at the track, thinking that if fewer options were
available, the races would fill more easily.  Aside from a
couple of $35K claimers, everything has been either $18K or
$25K on the turf.  This elimination of options forces a lot
of horses to be placed in spots which aren't the best for
them.  This is why we kept seeing the same horses finishing
on top at each level.  Bantan and Sarner (et al) can't move
up to $35K or $50K because that level isn't available to them.
During the beginning of the meets, the N1X condition on the
turf is tough.  Unsold would not have fared well against Drawn
Daggers, Lufkin, Wild Event, etc.

	Now, along comes Hawthorne with their 14K claimers
and N2L races on the turf and suddenly there are two new
levels to distribute the competition over.  Arlington sees
this and knows their races won't fill and now they write
the lower levels which dilute the competition and the lower
end even more.  Aside from the grass racing, there are now
plenty of plenty of condition claiming levels on the dirt
for Lady Lomond and Dance Naturally.

	The chance seems dramatic because we've gone from
zero to two tracks writing more levels of racing which
gives the competition room to disperse and settle.

Cal
>
>
> Steve Lewis
>-- End of excerpt from Burgooking@aol.com

16-SEP-1997 09:01:41.56
From: IN%"ldawson@netins.net"
From: ldawson@netins.net 
Subject: magazine [2493]
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Can anyone tell me a good horse racing magazine I can order through the
internet.

Thanks

Eric Dawson

16-SEP-1997 08:44:47.20
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com 
Subject: Re: Pappy-WOW (long) [2486] [2492]
---------------------------------------------------
On Sep 15,  6:45pm, Allan Weston wrote:
> Subject: Pappy-WOW (long) [2486]
> Partners,
>                I knew I'd run out of adjectives before she started....if
> Cal's watch ain't broke.....THATS FLAT OUT FLYING (PEGASUS
> STYLE)....22.1 for a non raced 2 year old filly....on a somewhat dull
> track......If pappy stays healthy VOP might have something REALLY
> SPECIAL on its hands...if you catch my drift.......she ain't a phone
> trick or a carson city or a gillded time (sires that bred precious two
> year olds.)......she an Unbridled.......showing such speed defies
> description......if she goes out on sunday 22.1 she'll have 5 or so
> lengths at the quarter pole and it will be all over but the shiutin'...I
> aint read nothing about her in the DRF has anyone else

	I think Ed Blachaniac has missed the town of
Mokena, but he's probably touted the horse to everyone
else in Illinois.  8^)

Cal

16-SEP-1997 08:43:08.27
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com 
Subject: Re: The Scoop:  9/15/97 [2478] [2491]
---------------------------------------------------
On Sep 15,  6:25pm, BobProc@aol.com@pcs.mot.com wrote:
> Subject: Re:  The Scoop:  9/15/97 [2478]
>
> In a message dated 9/16/97 12:48:04 AM, jestice@pcs.mot.com wrote:
>
> <<	Paparouna and her hives worked a brilliant 47 flat
> from the gate on Sunday.  She was in company with one other
> horse for about a furlong and she was 15 lengths in front
> of that one when the work was over.  I caught her in 22:1
> for the quarter.  She came off the work in good shape and
> will be entered for the MdSpWt on the 21st.>>
>
> All,
>
> Can somebody tell me which race on Sunday is the MSW?  I'm so excited, I
> think I might be gettin' hives!  ;-)

	There's no way of knowing until entries are drawn and
the racing office assigns the race number.

Cal
>
>                                    Bob P.
>
>-- End of excerpt from BobProc@aol.com@pcs.mot.com

15-SEP-1997 23:15:29.68
From: IN%"StLMo@aol.com"
From: StLMo@aol.com 
Subject: Unsold's Next [2490]
---------------------------------------------------

Unsold Owners,

I'm in agreement with a couple of recent posts that state we should try to
get a win out of Wes  by placing him where he has the best chance to
accomplish this. IMHO that means a claimer N2L.  The only race at Arlington
 that fits that description is a 20,000c N2L on October 9th.  However,
Hawthorne is carding some turf claimers that might fit Wes.  Today, for
example, they carded a 17,500c on the turf with a purse of $12,000 ($1,000
more than the 20,000c at Arlington he ran for Sunday).  However, I don't know
the conditions of the race.  Anyone know?  But the field looked very weak.  I
didn't see any Bantans or General AJs so I'm thinking it was a conditioned
race.  I think if something turns up at Hawthorne we might go for it with
always the race on the 9th at Arlington to fall back on.

We should also be thinking about Wes' future plans now that the end of the
turf season is near.

I thought Unsold ran a dynamite race this Sunday.  He had just a slight
problem finding some room turning into the stretch and this definitely cost
him second place and possibly the victory.

Steve Moses

15-SEP-1997 20:50:49.72
From: IN%"Burgooking@aol.com"
From: Burgooking@aol.com 
Subject: Placement [2489]
---------------------------------------------------
Partners:

Is it my imagination or are we finally starting to place our horses where
they
belong.  I for one seem to have learned the lesson that unless we run our
horses where they can be competitive we run the risk of constant cash calls,
constant disappointment and general discord.  I'm not so sure that they are
line up to claim our horses at any reasonable level.  It seems that a 12-14K
turk race at Hawthorne might be the right spot for Unsold to get win number
two.  Lets not forget that he probably only has three of four more starts
before
his form may start to tail off.

Finally I would hope that all of the partners would honor their commitments
are far as cash calls go.  Absent special circumstances it is not fair for
Cal
to have to float partners calls.  It certainly takes away from Cal's
enjoyment.
Bye the way Cal did not ask for my opinion on this.  Lets keep this good
roll going.  First Lady on Thursday and then Pappy on Sunday.................


Steve Lewis

15-SEP-1997 20:34:16.34
From: IN%"joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com"  "Pacheco, Joe"
From: joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com 
Subject: Tapes on there way [2488]
---------------------------------------------------
Partners,
I've sent out tapes to the following partners:

Karen Simpson
Eric Dawson
Richard Buettner
Bob Procaccini
Chris Jenner
Richard Mottonen

Darrell. I'll get one of to you tomorrow.
If anybody else what's one, please let me know.
Joe P

15-SEP-1997 17:51:21.91
From: IN%"Sunwalker@warpnet.net"  "Sunwalker Ostrich Ranch"
From: Sunwalker@warpnet.net 
Subject: For What It's Worth [2487]
---------------------------------------------------
All,
   First off, a fine effort by the Flash! Dana & I made it to
the local OTB for the race.I believed, Alan, and bet accordingly.
I gave it my best body language, nearly ending up on the
floor with one foot in the air as I tried to help Unsold get in
front. A very exciting finish!
   Glad to hear Nat is back in serious training.I hope we haven't
given up on giving her another try on the turf, if an appropriate
spot comes up.She seemed to run well on the surface in her
only attempt. The race was just too long against competitors
that were too tough.
   Hope Pappy stays on track for her debut on Sunday.I'm
scheduled for chores at Oasis Farms, but I'm gonna pull in
some favors to get out of them. I want to be the first to raise 
the cry,"Viva Paparouna!" You first time owners are in for a
real treat! There's nothing like watching your own horse run!
   See you all then.
   Ed Blair
    

15-SEP-1997 17:48:05.18
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net 
Subject: Pappy-WOW (long) [2486]
---------------------------------------------------
Partners,
               I knew I'd run out of adjectives before she started....if
Cal's watch ain't broke.....THATS FLAT OUT FLYING (PEGASUS
STYLE)....22.1 for a non raced 2 year old filly....on a somewhat dull
track......If pappy stays healthy VOP might have something REALLY
SPECIAL on its hands...if you catch my drift.......she ain't a phone
trick or a carson city or a gillded time (sires that bred precious two
year olds.)......she an Unbridled.......showing such speed defies
description......if she goes out on sunday 22.1 she'll have 5 or so
lengths at the quarter pole and it will be all over but the shiutin'...I
aint read nothing about her in the DRF has anyone else....sh*t I know
the clockers are salivating at her race on Sunday....as the races get
longer she's gonna get better......with her breeding she hs routers
bloodlines.........I figurse up to 1 1/8 or so........OK the big
question what are gonna be her odds on Sunday...I figure 3/5 or so...oh
man com'n sunday
                                Allan (pappy owner in spirit)

15-SEP-1997 17:30:23.48
From: IN%"BobProc@aol.com"
From: BobProc@aol.com 
Subject: Re:  The Scoop:  9/15/97 [2478] [2485]
---------------------------------------------------

In a message dated 9/16/97 12:48:04 AM, jestice@pcs.mot.com wrote:

<<	Paparouna and her hives worked a brilliant 47 flat
from the gate on Sunday.  She was in company with one other
horse for about a furlong and she was 15 lengths in front
of that one when the work was over.  I caught her in 22:1
for the quarter.  She came off the work in good shape and
will be entered for the MdSpWt on the 21st.>>

All,

Can somebody tell me which race on Sunday is the MSW?  I'm so excited, I
think I might be gettin' hives!  ;-)

                                   Bob P.
                                      

15-SEP-1997 17:28:13.51
From: IN%"BobProc@aol.com"
From: BobProc@aol.com 
Subject: Re:  The Scoop:  9/15/97 [2478] [2484]
---------------------------------------------------

In a message dated 9/16/97 12:48:04 AM, jestice@pcs.mot.com wrote:

<<	Paparouna and her hives worked a brilliant 47 flat
from the gate on Sunday.  She was in company with one other
horse for about a furlong and she was 15 lengths in front
of that one when the work was over.  I caught her in 22:1
for the quarter.  She came off the work in good shape and
will be entered for the MdSpWt on the 21st.>>

All,

Can somebody tell me which race on Sunday is the MSW?  I'm so excited, I
think I might be gettin' hives!  ;-)

                                   Bob P.
                                      

15-SEP-1997 17:17:31.88
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net 
Subject: Unosld's next [2483]
---------------------------------------------------
Partners,
             This is a no brainer in my opionion
10/9 race 20nw2l unless there's one at HAW before that......He just
missed in this class yesterday and there will be no Breakfast club
around next time....when turf racing ends in Chicago thats when we make
our descion about his future as a start I'll give the options that are
available to the partnership that I feel are viable we can discuss it
among ourselves on the list and than we will have a headstart whe it
comes time to vote.

Option#1-----Florida with Kieth Sirota Pluses: wont miss much racing he
is going down soon
to race at Calder....and the flash fits well down
there.....minuses.....different trainer........shipping costs no
partners down there

option #2----Fg with Liane pluses continunity with one
trainer.....purses are nice there we have partners there Minus
costs...didn't run well down there last year (of course I on't hold
those races against him) someone else might

option #3---racing him on dirt until HAW closes 
than rest him up until spt opens.......pluses.....could make some money
minuses....the flash has shown no propensity for dirt racing

option #4--private sale-------sell him within a easonable amount of time
for what we can get for him.......pluses-----cuts out cash
calls.....minuses-----we don't get to race him anymore

option #5---auction him off----cosign him to auction---same as above

option #6--lay him up for 4 months at tower
pluses....will limit costs for wintertime......minuses...no racing
action with him until Hawthorne opens turf course next spring

Those are the opyions I see for the flash I don't think we need to make
a descion until turf racing ends in Chicago....If anyone has an opionion
or a different option not listed please feel free to post

                             Allan

15-SEP-1997 09:50:09.78
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com 
Subject: The Scoop:  9/15/97 [2478]
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Y'all,

	I'm still waiting for cash call checks from a from
about six of you.  I've begun taking steps to address every-
one who is over two months late.

	Lady Lomond had her slow breeze last week and is
set for the 5N2L on Thursday.  We enter today and Ray gets
the call.  I'm not sure if the race will go because there
is an 8N2L on Wedensday that has Wewoka and that bunch of
horses in there.  Maybe the tougher ones will go there and
Lady will get to mop up against the rest.

	Paparouna and her hives worked a brilliant 47 flat
from the gate on Sunday.  She was in company with one other
horse for about a furlong and she was 15 lengths in front
of that one when the work was over.  I caught her in 22:1
for the quarter.  She came off the work in good shape and
will be entered for the MdSpWt on the 21st.

	KLH is groovin' on being back at the track.  He's
feeling great and is putting a lot of effort into his work.
The removal of the chips has done a lot to sweeten his per-
sonality and he's almost as good natured as Major Storm was.
Liane isn't going to think about working him until at least
October.  The less pounding his knees take the better and
she's trying to get him into shape with lots of miles as
opposed to fast works.  Things are moving foreward nicely.

	Dance Naturally is galloping with no problems and
will have a breeze sometime during the week.  Depending on
how tired she is after the work, Liane will either race her
or work her again.  When I know more about the work, I"ll
post.

	Itbaya came off her race in good shape and should
be ready to race again around the end of the month.  There
isn't anything for Itbaya in the book, but AP is writing
lots of extras, so something should come around again for
her.

	Unsold put in a good effort on Sunday, but we got
third again.  I think the term that fits best is "snakebit".
Curt got him away from the gate well and held him in good
position of a fast pace.  He saved lots of ground but had
to check coming out of the turn when Earlie's horse tired
and dropped over on him.  Curt got Unsold to put in a big
run down the stretch, but missed the win by a half length.
Curt was very positive about Unsold and asked to ride him
back the next time.  Unsold was doing OK after the race as
of 7PM yesterday.

Cal

15-SEP-1997 08:11:34.56
From: IN%"CRAZZYB@aol.com"
From: CRAZZYB@aol.com 
Subject: Re: WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [2468] [2474]
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Sounds like she smoked them. What do you think her "estimated time of
arrival" be for 6f. Maybe 1:10 and some change? What have the other 2yr. old
fillies been running?
Now I'm getting excited about this weekend.

Bob J.

15-SEP-1997 06:52:45.93
From: IN%"RBDN74A@prodigy.com"
From: RBDN74A@prodigy.com 
Subject: Unsold's next [2470] [2473]
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Sounds like a good strategy to me Bob.........
Joe

14-SEP-1997 21:02:17.21
From: IN%"chris.jenner@apropos.com"
From: chris.jenner@apropos.com 
Subject: Re: Unsold's next [2469] [2472]
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Maybe he's just developing late. He still runs funny, and even walks funny.
But we haven't been disappointed in a few outs now. He's actually been
competitive. He's actually been in the thick of it and beat a few horses. I
agree with Mark, let's try one more at AP before folding the tent. It could
be the last time any of us are involved in owning an AP turf horse (or any
kind of AP horse for that matter).

I wouldn't mind being involved with a COMPETITIVE (competitive) 5-y-o, who
is fit, and hasn't broken NWEX.

BTW, for the record... I dragged the clan on out, thought I timed it right
to be there for the last two, but the turkey at the gate trying to squeeze
$4 (dollars) more for Dickey's coffers said I had to wait 10 minutes. So I
strained my back to reach in and flash the owner's parephenalia, and I
waltzed the clan right in in time to view the 7th.

Dragged 2/3 of the kinder over to the winner's circle so they would know
where to go in about 40 more minutes. (Ugh) Started jabbering with Debby
Derlacki, then Steve Lewis strutted up -- VOP short and all. We all agreed:
"What will happen -- he won't win?" and no one had a problem. Besides, we
all knew Allan ("where he belongs, in NJ" uttered unintentionally
simultaneously by many local parnters ;-)) probably has his on anyway. BTW,
Steve I assume your moniker has nothing to do with a common birth year, as
Burgoo King has been eligible for social security for 3 yrs now.

In any event, before leaving the paddock for the field, Unsold was 7-1. By
the time I got down, he was 6-1. Post parade 9-2, entering the gate 7-2,
passing the stands for the first time (and closing) the second favorite at
3-1. 

No significant comment on the ride, but from my lame vantage point, it
looked like Bourque gave him a pretty good one. He lost a no photo photo
for place, in a near blanket finish of 3 horses.

The splits and order were:
     22.4  8 - 5 - 10 - 3
     46.0  8 - 5 - 10 - 9 (I start getting excited with these fractions)
   1.11.1  5 - 10 - 8 - 9 (I think we're still in contention, but bad angle)
   1.37.1  GO WES
   1.43.2

Finish: 1 - 4 - 8 - 12  (photos for 2nd and 4th)

Quiniella 22.40
Exacta 30.80
Tri 68.40
Super 177.90
Double 19.80

Post time odds:
1 - 1-1
2 - 45-1
3 - 70-1
4 - 11-1
5 - 19-1
6 - 3-1
7 - 99-1 (+)
8 - 14-1
9 - 6-1
10 - 60-1
11 - 50-1
12 - 8-1

I'll take shows at this level for a while. How 'bout those bears.
-- Chris

At 06:46 PM 9/14/97 -0500, you wrote:
>     Partners,
>
>     Haven't seen HAW, but here's what's in the last AP book for the
>Flash. I'd love to take one more try at AP before it closes. But that's
>the heart, not the brain, talking. If there's a faster route to the
>winner's circle elsewhere, I won't argue.
>
>     9/28 - AlwN2X at  1 1/8
>
>     10/3 - AlwN3X at 1 1/16
>
>      10/4 - 16000 at 1 1/8
>
>      10/9 - 20000N2L at 1 1/8
>
>     -- Mark Alesia
>
>

14-SEP-1997 19:22:45.96
From: IN%"SRXW54A@prodigy.com"
From: SRXW54A@prodigy.com 
Subject: Unsold's next [2470]
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   Maybe it's time to consider dropping Unsold to a level he might be 
claimed at and take the win purse.

   Winter is coming and I'm not fond of the thought of paying cash 
calls for the FG season and until turf racing returns to Chicago next 
year.

   Bob B.

14-SEP-1997 18:47:37.20
From: IN%"malesia@home.com"
From: malesia@home.com 
Subject: Unsold's next [2469]
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     Partners,

     Haven't seen HAW, but here's what's in the last AP book for the
Flash. I'd love to take one more try at AP before it closes. But that's
the heart, not the brain, talking. If there's a faster route to the
winner's circle elsewhere, I won't argue.

     9/28 - AlwN2X at  1 1/8

     10/3 - AlwN3X at 1 1/16

      10/4 - 16000 at 1 1/8

      10/9 - 20000N2L at 1 1/8

     -- Mark Alesia

14-SEP-1997 18:13:08.87
From: IN%"trifectawinner@sprintmail.com"
From: trifectawinner@sprintmail.com 
Subject: WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [2468]
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Paparouna Partners..........Ray sibille brought out filly to the track
Sunday at about 9:15AM. Warmed her up a bit and headed for the starting
gate with her (hives-bumps et al). She loaded last on the outside of a 3
horse field. Gate opened and she broke like she has been doing this all
of her life. Shot out of the gate and left the other 2 in her wake. I
could not tell if the other 2 were doing 4 furlongs or less but it did
not matter. They may still be running. (Does this sound like I'm
bragging) Maybe I am. Final time, 47.09 hg. Cal, Terry Bjork, Michelle
and I were pleased to say the least. Afterwards Ray Sibille was quoted
saying something like, "better find a race for her". Michelle checked
with the racing office and it was the fastest 4f workout in about 2
weeks. Let's hope she stays healthy and gets chosen for the 9/21 race.  
Very Happy Trails. ED B.

14-SEP-1997 17:40:09.77
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net 
Subject: the flash's finish [2467]
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Partners,
               We missed by a 1/2 length and a head
I really gonna cry
                              Allan

14-SEP-1997 17:07:18.85
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net 
Subject: the flash is third [2466]
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Partners,
               9th just in 1-4-6....I gonna cry!!!!!

                        Allan

14-SEP-1997 11:22:47.77
From: IN%"malesia@home.com"
From: malesia@home.com 
Subject: Chi Trib picks [2465]
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     I tossed my Chicago Tribune, but Dave Surico has Flash third with
comment "Rates with these." I believe Flash was also third in the
consensus.

     -- Mark Alesia

14-SEP-1997 10:25:36.93
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net 
Subject: Chicagoland paper picks [2463]
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Partners in Chicago and environs,
          Could you please post the Chicagoland paper picks along with
the DRF picks for us out-of-townies for the flash's race....

                                                   Allan

ps I hope they don't pick my 6-1 exacta more cash for BIG AL RETIREMENT
FUND

13-SEP-1997 21:12:15.31
From: IN%"Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com"  "Cal Jestice"
From: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com 
Subject: RE: I'm back!!!!!!!!!!!!! [2456] [2462]
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Y'all,

	Hives aren't a disease, they're an allergic reaction.
Liane and the vets aren't concerned enough about the hives
to keep her from racing, so we need to tryst their judgement.

	Mike Helm is an interesting read.  I don't know how
much of the truth is expanded to make the book more fun to
read.

	Regarding the cause of the hives.... Pancho did find
about two square yards of berber in her stall just after you left
on your trip.  Know anything about that, Steve?  8^).

Cal

----------
From: 	Burgooking@aol.com
Sent: 	Friday, September 12, 1997 9:26 PM
To: 	virtual-owners@vop.org
Subject: 	I'm back!!!!!!!!!!!!! [2456]

Partners:

Well Alaska is well Alaska!  Did see a whale. Didn't see an OTB.
Enough of that!  Let me be the first to dispell all rumors about Pappy's
hives and my being out of this world!  Cal has my bet and to tell you the
truth I am a little more than concerned about what is going on with Pappy.
Cal is there any possibility that this unknown disease could cause any
permanent damage to Pappy.  What about the track vet? What about
any vet on the grounds I don't think we shoud be waiting a week if she looks
as bad as reported.  Is Liane at all concerned?  I am!

I do want to mention that while I was cruising Glacier Bay in Alaska I had
time to read " A Breed Apart" by Mike Helm.  I would be interested to hear
if any of you have read this book.  As a race track regular for the last 25
years
I know that I learned a ton from this publication.  Everything from trainer's
problems to Jockey's instructions, to track bias, to the pros and cons of
running
2 year olds.  It is truly great reading on the kings!  HIGHLY RECOMMEND!
Good stuff!

Finally I hope to see everyone out at Unsold's race on Sunday!

Steve Lewis

P.S. No Allan I am not the publisher of the book!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

13-SEP-1997 21:12:01.24
From: IN%"Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com"  "Cal Jestice"
From: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com 
Subject: RE: Paparouna [2455] [2461]
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Y'all,

	The usual meeting time and place at Arlington is by the
paddock the race before ours.  Liane will be there to talk to the
partners about the race.

	Since this will be Paparouna's debut, there will be a lot
of new folks trying to organize, so I'll call an earlier meeting of
the partners once we know she's in the race.

	I take care of tipping the grooms for the partnership.  It's
easier and more consistant this way.  Standard tip is $100 for an
allowance win, $50 for a claiming win and occasionally I tip adhoc
when a horse goes a while with out a win.  Liane and Hershell also
pay the groom extra when the horse wins.

Cal

----------
From: 	ChgNick@aol.com
Sent: 	Saturday, September 13, 1997 2:22 PM
To: 	VIRTUAL-OWNERS@vop.org
Cc: 	ChgNick@aol.com
Subject: 	Paparouna [2455]

Partners,

            Being a first time horse owner, I'm very excited about
Paparouna's first race  next week. Can anyone inform me of proper procedures
for that day (I.E... meeting place, dress code, time, etc...) I've also read
in a few books that its customary to tip the groom or have a few win tickets
for him. Is this still the case? If so what is the standard tip or win
ticket? 

Thanks in advance for the info.

Nick

13-SEP-1997 21:11:21.17
From: IN%"Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com"  "Cal Jestice"
From: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com 
Subject: The Miami Flash Rides Again [2460]
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Y'all,

	Things look to be setting up well for The Miami Flash
tomorrow.  There's not a lot of turf experience and the DRF has
down-graded Flash's last race.  The turf course is still favoring
speed, but the bias is so obvious now that a few horses go 
flying for the front each race and tire.  With twelve horses in the
race, there's a better chance for traffic problems, but at least we
shouldn't get pinned down on the rail again.  I hope to see a lot
of partners at the track for the race and on the backstretch 
afterwards.

#1 Breakfast Club - Gomez turned us down to ride this 3yo who's
been throwing BSF's in the low 70's on the turf.  Comes from way
out of it and that won't help him on this course.  Consistant enough
to get a check.

#2 Shy Beau - Oh for two on the grass and both tries have been
dismal.  Comes from way out of it, but sharp rider Diaz may have
him closer than usual.  Still will take a remarkable effort for him to
hit the board in this field.

#3 Doctor Hage - Packs a little speed and his only turf  race didn't
impress.  Not likely.

#4 Shangue - Has one career second on the tuf and was able to
get within four lengths of Bantan earlier in the year.  Has some 
speed and a jockey that knows what to do on this turf course.
Could be tough to catch.

#5 Maple Leaf Express - Recent claim has never tried the turf.  Has
a bit of speed and a jockey that can get him out.  Jockey knows 
about the turf bias and should be going for it.

#6 Unsold - Has the most turf experience and money.  Best numbers
in the field and the DRF has his figure about 8->10 points to low for
his last race (IMHO).  Looks to drop in right behind the inside speed
and blow by them in the stretch.  The one to beat.

#7 Staratar - Impending traffic problem.

#8 Eventide - Has got some gas and tries the turf for the first time.
Fires will likely get him out near the lead and it will be interesting
to see if the turf moves him up.  Likely a speed duel casualty.

#9 Alfred's Bluff - Only turf winner in the race besides Unsold.  Lost
to a good one in Fort Metfield in his other turf race.  Has some speed,
but not enough to compete with the top group.  Likely to stalk and 
might sneak a third.

#10 Padre Moore - Caught a tough group in his 1997 turf race (Wild
Event & Drawn Dagger), so I can't dismiss himyet.  However, there
isn't much to recommend him from his other races.

#11 Siberian Sun - Only turf race was a real stinker and his dirt ones
aren't that impressive.  Bourque wisely takes the favorite instead of
this one.

#12 Clarin Bridge - Bad post for turf debut, but this one still has 
several things going for him.  Excellent turf breeding and second
leading jockey at the meet.  He's got some speed and his dirt 
races at this level have been good.  Could step up and be a 
contender.

	Overall, it looks like a great spot for The Miami Flash.
There should be enough speed in the race to not let somebody
steal the race and not too much speed where he'll get left trying
to pass 10 horses in the final quarter mile.  The 1 & 12 look to
be the biggest threats and one of the speeds could hang around
and cause problems.  If only one of the speed horses go, all bets
are off and The Miami Flash has to fight for whatever minor piece
of the purse he can.  My bets:

	Win and Place on 6 if 5-1 or greater.
	Exacta boxes 1&6, 6&12
	Exacta part wheel 6 / 1&12
	Trifecta Key 6(1,4,5,8,12)
	For funsies, the Curt Bourque daily double.

Cal

13-SEP-1997 19:13:44.19
From: IN%"mwhite@bsu.edu"  "Mike White"
From: mwhite@bsu.edu 
Subject: Re: Sorry! [2437] [2459]
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Sorry about the list folks. Dale had wrote about it and I thought it was
working until I checked on it again Fri morning and had about 50,000
messagess stacked up (at first I thought it was just Allan - just
kidding Allan), something caused a mail loop. I don't think I lost any
mesages but it took all Friday until about 8am sat morning to remove the
bad messages and get the list started again.

Mike
--
   .  ,        Michael E. White  Senior VAX Systems Programmer
   |\/|        Ball State University / University Computing Services
  /bb "\.
 /   _,"\    Some assembly and C++ required. Batteries not included.
'\       Action figures sold separately.
 ~~   \

13-SEP-1997 17:44:50.59
From: IN%"trifectawinner@sprintmail.com"
From: trifectawinner@sprintmail.com 
Subject: Bumps, Bumps, Bumps [2458]
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Partners......They're baaaaack. The hives that is. Michelle and I saw
our filly about 7:00AM Saturday and we witnessed traces of the hives.
Came back to the stall after she was on the track and the hives were
extremely noticeable at 10:00AM. Returned at 3:00 PM and they were
getting worse.  Anyhow! She works Sunday morning with Ray Sibille up and
as Cal has mentioned she is being pointed to the September 21st race.
Liane mentioned that she may race with bumps on. Wonder of the racing
form covers things like "first time bumps"? Oh well! We'll just have to
have the photographer cover her blemishes. (smiling). Will see all you
locals at morning workouts Sunday AM. I did not get the time for
Paparouna's workout. Maybe Cal can post? Happy Trails. ED B.

13-SEP-1997 16:49:18.09
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net 
Subject: Fwd: I'm back!!!!!!!!!!!!! [2456] [2457]
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Steve/all.
              First of all---Let me say I is good to have you back in
the 48 not to disparge Alaska
they ain't got no horse racing there so thats enough for me not to like
it.....With VA coming on board one more state bites the dust....this is
a big week for VOP coming up....ALL of our horses are in good form and I
am expecting alot from the flash--LAdy and of course Pappy 
            To clear one thing up Steve-----Hives ain't a disease--they
are an allergic reaction to an unknown substance....hell I could be
anything just like in humans....I don't know much more than that
steve....in all my years of hearing trainers (and owners) excuses and I
have heard some doosies i have yet to har the one that goes"we had the
best horse in the race but she's just recovering from the hives so we'll
give her another race"......Pappy has been kept in training in spite of
her hives and shes eady to give her all next Sunday....I have to try and
find that book you recommenr.....what was his opionion on two year old
racing....anyway WELCOME BACK TO THEBUGOO KING!!!!!

                                            Allan

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:26:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Burgooking@aol.com
Subject: I'm back!!!!!!!!!!!!! [2456]
To: virtual-owners@vop.org
Message-id: <970912222402_-632151965@emout17.mail.aol.com>
Comments: Virtual-Owners-Partnership Mailing List

Partners:

Well Alaska is well Alaska!  Did see a whale. Didn't see an OTB.
Enough of that!  Let me be the first to dispell all rumors about Pappy's
hives and my being out of this world!  Cal has my bet and to tell you the
truth I am a little more than concerned about what is going on with Pappy.
Cal is there any possibility that this unknown disease could cause any
permanent damage to Pappy.  What about the track vet? What about
any vet on the grounds I don't think we shoud be waiting a week if she looks
as bad as reported.  Is Liane at all concerned?  I am!

I do want to mention that while I was cruising Glacier Bay in Alaska I had
time to read " A Breed Apart" by Mike Helm.  I would be interested to hear
if any of you have read this book.  As a race track regular for the last 25
years
I know that I learned a ton from this publication.  Everything from trainer's
problems to Jockey's instructions, to track bias, to the pros and cons of
running
2 year olds.  It is truly great reading on the kings!  HIGHLY RECOMMEND!
Good stuff!

Finally I hope to see everyone out at Unsold's race on Sunday!

Steve Lewis

P.S. No Allan I am not the publisher of the book!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

--Boundary_[ID_6eEEWub/idFMGRajvzOKcg]--

13-SEP-1997 16:11:48.09
From: IN%"Burgooking@aol.com"
From: Burgooking@aol.com 
Subject: I'm back!!!!!!!!!!!!! [2456]
---------------------------------------------------
Partners:

Well Alaska is well Alaska!  Did see a whale. Didn't see an OTB.
Enough of that!  Let me be the first to dispell all rumors about Pappy's
hives and my being out of this world!  Cal has my bet and to tell you the
truth I am a little more than concerned about what is going on with Pappy.
Cal is there any possibility that this unknown disease could cause any
permanent damage to Pappy.  What about the track vet? What about
any vet on the grounds I don't think we shoud be waiting a week if she looks
as bad as reported.  Is Liane at all concerned?  I am!

I do want to mention that while I was cruising Glacier Bay in Alaska I had
time to read " A Breed Apart" by Mike Helm.  I would be interested to hear
if any of you have read this book.  As a race track regular for the last 25
years
I know that I learned a ton from this publication.  Everything from trainer's
problems to Jockey's instructions, to track bias, to the pros and cons of
running
2 year olds.  It is truly great reading on the kings!  HIGHLY RECOMMEND!
Good stuff!

Finally I hope to see everyone out at Unsold's race on Sunday!

Steve Lewis

P.S. No Allan I am not the publisher of the book!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

13-SEP-1997 14:25:36.29
From: IN%"ChgNick@aol.com"
From: ChgNick@aol.com 
Subject: Paparouna [2455]
---------------------------------------------------
Partners,

            Being a first time horse owner, I'm very excited about
Paparouna's first race  next week. Can anyone inform me of proper procedures
for that day (I.E... meeting place, dress code, time, etc...) I've also read
in a few books that its customary to tip the groom or have a few win tickets
for him. Is this still the case? If so what is the standard tip or win
ticket? 

Thanks in advance for the info.

Nick

13-SEP-1997 11:58:54.82
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net 
Subject: Fwd: Re:  The Scoop:  9/12/97 [2442] [2453] [2454]
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Bob/all,
            It's not the horse that would be banned it would be the
trainer depending if the stewards thought it was "performance enhancing"
or an accidental.......They would DQ from the purse money.......but not
the PM Betting....which incedently sucks.but you couldn't withhold the
betting  proceeds......I am sure that Liane is being careful she know
how to medicate horses also LASIX which she will run on besides being an
anti-bleeding medication is also a drug masking agent (ooops I ain't
spossed to say that but its true)....it being a diauetic (speeling) and
all she won't have a trace of the HEM when she races
                                  Allan

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Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 12:44:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: BobProc@aol.com
Subject: Re:  The Scoop:  9/12/97 [2442] [2453]
To: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com, virtual-owners@vop.org
Message-id: <970913124435_961209735@emout17.mail.aol.com>
Comments: Virtual-Owners-Partnership Mailing List


In a message dated 9/13/97 10:17:06 PM, Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com wrote:

<>

All, 

I'm as excited as a five-year-old with Christmas morning only eight days
away!  Now, if the big day will only STAY PUT for eight days, we'll get
there.  I have a dream and a nightmare about Paparouna's debut.

Ever the optimist, she stomps the field by a widening lead in both cases.  In
my dream, she goes on to a glorious career.  In my nightmare, blood tests
reveal trace amounts of HIM (Hive Eradication Medicine), which is illegal in
the state of Illinois and she is banned from racing forever!  Tell me this
can't happen, and that Liane, Cal, and the vet will be very careful!

PS:  No more "Heeey, Macarena!" at weddings this year.  It's being replaced
with "Goooooooo, Paparouna!"  ;-)

                                    Bob P.
                              

--Boundary_[ID_ICNshixzgUeXbsouKrUtsw]--

13-SEP-1997 11:47:15.41
From: IN%"BobProc@aol.com"
From: BobProc@aol.com 
Subject: Re:  The Scoop:  9/12/97 [2442] [2453]
---------------------------------------------------

In a message dated 9/13/97 10:17:06 PM, Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com wrote:

<>

All, 

I'm as excited as a five-year-old with Christmas morning only eight days
away!  Now, if the big day will only STAY PUT for eight days, we'll get
there.  I have a dream and a nightmare about Paparouna's debut.

Ever the optimist, she stomps the field by a widening lead in both cases.  In
my dream, she goes on to a glorious career.  In my nightmare, blood tests
reveal trace amounts of HIM (Hive Eradication Medicine), which is illegal in
the state of Illinois and she is banned from racing forever!  Tell me this
can't happen, and that Liane, Cal, and the vet will be very careful!

PS:  No more "Heeey, Macarena!" at weddings this year.  It's being replaced
with "Goooooooo, Paparouna!"  ;-)

                                    Bob P.
                              

13-SEP-1997 09:46:54.58
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net 
Subject: Paparouna [2452]
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Partners,
              Good to see Pappy has recovered
from her bout with those old nasty bees...YOU KNOW I am looking foward
to THE PAPPY"S
race next SUNDAY.......Darrell can't you delay your trip a couple of
days.....It will be a memorable day for all of VOP.....Pappy's be though
a lot in such a short time....she is finally ready....and all of the
first time horse owners boy are are you in for a treat.....I know that
Cal and Liane have to cautious be yours truly don't
so I'll go out on the limb and say she SMASHS
her field of MSW for fun....It is horse rcing so anything can
happen.....but I am sticking to my guns and it says here Pappy wins and
than on to stakes company.........Can you tell I am excited....there
ain't nothing better than the high of hoseracing
                         Allan (pappy owner in spirit)

13-SEP-1997 09:45:08.21
From: IN%"ChgoRanger@aol.com"
From: ChgoRanger@aol.com 
Subject: Unsold's racing on Sunday [2451]
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Unsold is in the 9th on Sunday.....Curt Bourque up........

Sean

13-SEP-1997 09:31:22.02
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net 
Subject: Lady Lomond [2450]
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Partners,
              Lady easy 4 f was caught by the clockers in 53.1 (31st
best of 35) She's all set for Tuesday at Hawthorne..GO LADY GO!!!!

                                            Allan

13-SEP-1997 09:25:03.57
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net 
Subject: Unsold [2449]
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Partners,
               We got a big time shot at All the money on
SUNDAY.....while I knoow that breakfast club is gonna be tough.....I'll
give the edge in the betting to the flash....he's gonna be a much better
price tha the club the clubs got the rail we got the 6 hole they both
run appox the same race and the same closing fraction
I see it as a VERY CLOSE RACE it could go either way........they last
time figs are VERY close (in fact I have them with the same fig (72)
I don't see any traffic problems....if the race stays on the turf
eliminate half the field on GP (non turfers and turf wannabes). We got a
wide trip last time and I see the same scenirio for tomorrow........Ifit
came down to a duel between Borque and gomez in the stretch (which is
what I think it will come down to)....we got used a lot harder than
breakfast club in our last and that my friends we spell the difference
between us and the Club the club clunked up off a fast pace to pass some
tired horses.....we ran our eyeballs out for a half a mile wide on a
slow pace and than jusifiably got a little leg weary and hung we'll do
the same tommow and WIN....sean or somebody leave a space for yours
truly in the winners circle picture that will be for me who cannot make
it to Chicago tommorow.......ITS gonna be close and if I gotta I'ride
the flash myself for this one.....com'n BORQUE do us proud........

                                              Allan

13-SEP-1997 08:07:45.45
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net 
Subject: the flash rides again [2448]
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parrtners,
               We are in the 6 hole with cc Botque up....oh yes I am
liking our chances already

                                             Allan

13-SEP-1997 07:49:14.99
From: IN%"Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com"  "Cal Jestice"
From: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com 
Subject: RE: Unsold/Sunday [2444] [2447]
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Y'all,

	I'll be there and stopping by the barn for a 
few beverages afterwards.  Hope to see you there.

Cal

----------
From: 	ChgoRanger@aol.com
Sent: 	Friday, September 12, 1997 3:22 PM
To: 	virtual-owners@vop.org
Subject: 	Unsold/Sunday [2444]

Unsold's gonna give me a big present on Sunday, the day before I turn
40!!!..any locals planning on being there??

Sean

13-SEP-1997 07:33:39.15
From: IN%"trifectawinner@sprintmail.com"
From: trifectawinner@sprintmail.com 
Subject: Looking Goooooood!!!! [2446]
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Partners.......Michelle and I paid a visit to Paparouna Friday at about
3:00 PM. First person we saw was Hershell and he asked us if we saw our
filly. I told him we had not, that we just arrived He had a big smile on
his face which gave us an impression that the medicine might have
worked. Well, it surely looked like it did. Just a small trace of the
hives remain and she is "looking" as gorgeous as ever. Let's hope she
looks the same when we return tomorrow morning for workouts. Just
thought you may enjoy this little bit of info.  Happy Trails. ED B.

13-SEP-1997 07:27:19.34
From: IN%"joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com"  "Pacheco, Joe"
From: joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com 
Subject: ITHA Info [2445]
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Partners,
I just got a letter from the ITHA asking for them to be my
representative for racing in the Illinois.  I remember some discussions
on the ITHA and a splinter group that was looking to gain control from
ITHA.  Any thoughts on the positions of ITHA?  I believe the general
thought was that they are the lesser of two evils.
Cheers.
Go Flash!!
Joe P

13-SEP-1997 07:19:14.93
From: IN%"ChgoRanger@aol.com"
From: ChgoRanger@aol.com 
Subject: Unsold/Sunday [2444]
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Unsold's gonna give me a big present on Sunday, the day before I turn
40!!!..any locals planning on being there??

Sean

13-SEP-1997 07:19:11.71
From: IN%"SRXW54A@prodigy.com"
From: SRXW54A@prodigy.com 
Subject: Unsold on Sunday [2443]
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   At a glance .....

       I'll take Breakfast Club .... fourth race on the turf but gets 
Gomez back who previously rode him on the dirt.

       Second I'll give to Alfred's Bluff .... Moves back to the turf 
and gets Sibille ... the combination that won his MSW back on 6/11

       Third I'll have to take Unsold .... large field .... to many 
obstacles for this horse to overcome .... requires a perfect race to 
win 

       Bob B.

13-SEP-1997 07:19:08.73
From: IN%"Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com"  "Cal Jestice"
From: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com 
Subject: The Scoop:  9/12/97 [2442]
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Y'all,

	The cash call period is over and I'm still waiting for
checks from 13 of you.  Some are delinquent from June.

	Lady Lomond is going out for an easy four furlong 
breeze today to get ready for the 7N2L on Tuesday at 
Hawthorne.  Ray was there to work her and expect he'll
get first call.  The entries should be taken tomorrow for
the races on Monday and Tuesday at Hawthorne.

	Paparouna is looking better, a lot better in fact.
The hives have gone.  She's been on her new medicine
for about four days and there isn't a trace of them.  She
can't race on the medication, so there's still a chance 
the hives might come back to bite us on race day.  But
for now, it's full speed ahead.  Paparouna should have a
short gate work soon and the next MdSpWt is on the
21st.

	KLH is coming along fine.  He's back into full training
with no problems.

	Dance Naturally is back training at full speed with 
no problems.  Liane should be picking a date for Nat's work 
within a couple of days.

	Itbaya came off her race in good shape. I talked to
Ray this morning and he said that Itbaya kept trying, she
just couldn't gain any ground on the leader because of the
hard turf and slow pace.

Cal

13-SEP-1997 07:19:05.68
From: IN%"milesm@slewpy.drf.com"
From: milesm@slewpy.drf.com 
Subject: StableMail -- Unsold [2441]
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This is a notice from the Daily Racing Form's online StableMail which 
informs you when certain horses will be running in the near future. You  
are receiving this message because Unsold is entered to run in the 9th 
race at Arlington Park on September 14, 1997. For more information about 
the race, be sure to check out Daily Racing Form's web site at 
http://www.drf.com/ or view the entries for this race at
http://www.drf.com/entries/14/.html.

You also wrote the following notes about this horse: 

Other Information About this Race
---------------------------------
Race Type: 
Claiming Price for Unsold (if applicable):  20,000
Surface: Turf
Distance: 1 1/16 Miles
Jockey: Bourque C C   
Post Position: 6  
# of horses in race: 12
--------------------------------
If you'd like to remove Unsold from your list of horses to watch,
go to the StableMail removal form at http://www.drf.com/stablemail/remove.html.

13-SEP-1997 07:19:02.31
From: IN%"joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com"  "Pacheco, Joe"
From: joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com 
Subject: Unsold on Sunday [2440]
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Parters,
Is Liane still going to enter Unsold in the race on Sunday?
Any info would be appreciated.
Joe P

13-SEP-1997 07:18:58.30
From: IN%"drew@ctnet.com"  "Drew"
From: drew@ctnet.com 
Subject: Fwd: itsy results [2439]
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I tried to send this before, but I don't think it got
through!

-- D

----------


Just got back from the track.

NAVAJO MOVE went to the front and was never challenged.
She ran really slow fractions:
   :24'1  :48'1  1:12  1:37'1  1:43'3

and went wire to wire, pretty much basically.

Itsy got it in gear going into the final turn and made
a strong move, just hooking SONG SONG SING at the wire,
but she lost the photo.

It was NAVAJO MOVE by open lengths, SONG SONG SING by a
snot, and ITBAYA third, followed by NICE BET MATT.

#4   12.60  6.60  3.80
#3          5.20  2.80
#6                3.00





====================================================
Give me the strength to change the things I can, the 
grace to accept the things I cannot, and a great big 
bag of money.
----------------------------------------------------
Drew Ivan                             drew@ctnet.com
====================================================

13-SEP-1997 07:18:52.73
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net 
Subject: Itsy is third [2438]
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Partners,
              Went to the BIG m today ooops dashed out of the gate when
Najoho Move made the easily lead and Ray S. almost stood up in nthe
saddle trying to throttle itsy spped did a good job too meanwhile Najaho
was having it her own way with Silva....and than lost photo for place
overall not exactly a Great day but we live to race another race.

                                     Allan

12-SEP-1997 14:32:42.53
From: IN%"kgrace@injersey.com"  "Ken Grace"
From: kgrace@injersey.com 
Subject: Sorry! [2437]
---------------------------------------------------
I guess I was overly optimistic about Mike getting the VOP list back in 
operation.  Oh well, I'm going to bed early and will check on the traffic 
in the morning.  I'm really interested in reports on Itbaya's race.

Pleasant dreams.

Ken

12-SEP-1997 14:15:28.76
From: IN%"drew@ctnet.com"  "Drew"
From: drew@ctnet.com 
Subject: itsy results [2436]
---------------------------------------------------
Just got back from the track.

NAVAJO MOVE went to the front and was never challenged.
She ran really slow fractions:
   :24'1  :48'1  1:12  1:37'1  1:43'3

and went wire to wire, pretty much basically.

Itsy got it in gear going into the final turn and made
a strong move, just hooking SONG SONG SING at the wire,
but she lost the photo.

It was NAVAJO MOVE by open lengths, SONG SONG SING by a
snot, and ITBAYA third, followed by NICE BET MATT.

#4   12.60  6.60  3.80
#3          5.20  2.80
#6                3.00





-----------------------------------------------------
Forget world peace. Visualize using your turn signal.
.....................................................
Drew Ivan                              drew@ctnet.com
=====================================================

12-SEP-1997 13:07:07.52
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net 
Subject: Itsy third [2435]
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Partners,
              Navajo Move wasthe easiest kind of winner....Itsy speed
was throttled back by Ray (he pracitally had to stand up on Itsy to
control her........then she got caught running wide we were second best
today and just midsed second by a hair.....oh well on to the next
race....
                       Allan

12-SEP-1997 13:03:45.28
From: IN%"robws@ix.netcom.com"  "Bob Schaefer"
From: robws@ix.netcom.com 
Subject: [2434]
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Amazing!!!!! Not a single post on Itbaya.  The only thing worse than being
negative is apathy.

Bob Schaefer

12-SEP-1997 12:39:52.52
From: IN%"kgrace@injersey.com"  "Ken Grace"
From: kgrace@injersey.com 
Subject: to Allan [2433]
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Hey, Allan,

My wife and I were at the Meadowlands today for the first race of Village 
Fair under CRT ownership, as well as to watch Itbaya's race.

One of the CRT partners reported seeing someone wearing a VOP tee shirt. 
 I can only assume that was you.  How about leaving the shirt home for 
Itsy's next race, so we can find out whether the jinx works remotely as 
well as at the Chicago track!

Ken G.

12-SEP-1997 12:35:23.76
From: IN%"joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com"  "Pacheco, Joe"
From: joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com 
Subject: Itsy Third [2432]
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Partners,
Hot off the press 4-3-6.  No details.
Joe P

11-SEP-1997 23:42:41.13
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com 
Subject: Re: Itsy race tommorow [2420] [2431]
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On Sep 10,  7:09pm, Allan Weston wrote:
> Subject: Itsy race tommorow [2420]
> Partners,
>                First it was the mention of Itsy in the horses to watch
> in the DRF.......than it was Cal STEALING :;-} my exacta off
> me.......

	Hey, I take pride in my excellent picks, even if
it means I have to let you agree with me 8^).

Cal

11-SEP-1997 22:50:04.07
From: IN%"kgrace@injersey.com"  "Ken Grace"
From: kgrace@injersey.com 
Subject: VOP email [2430]
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Glad to see that the VOP list appears to be getting back online after 
leaving us cold for all of today.  Just now received Ed's post from the 
middle of last night.

Ken

11-SEP-1997 21:53:44.03
From: IN%"kgrace@injersey.com"  "Ken Grace"
From: kgrace@injersey.com 
Subject: Itbaya's jockey [2429]
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Could we get Silva back on Itbaya?

Ken

11-SEP-1997 19:41:41.03
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com 
Subject: Re: Paparouna [2415] [2422] [2428]
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On Sep 11, 12:01am, BobProc@aol.com wrote:
> Subject: Re: Paparouna [2415] [2422]
>
> In a message dated 9/11/97 4:25:59 AM, trifectawinner@sprintmail.com (Ed
> Blachaniec) wrote:
>
> < come up with to describe our filly. Hundreds of bumps all over her body.>>
>
> Cal, or others,
>
> Lot's to read about Paparouna's bumps, but what about her training regimen.
>  Is she galloping?  Is she scheduled to work.  Or is she on hold 'til this
> gets solved?

	She's going ahead with her training and will work again
in the near future.  The lab tests won't be back for at least
another week or so.  It seems the test isn't often done and
there's only one lab in the country that can get do the procedure.
In the interim, Liane is experimenting with some drugs that were
suggested from Rood and Riddle in Kentucky. I stopped by this
morning and they don't look to be working.

Cal
>
> Meanwhile, best of luck to Itsy's owners tomorrow!
>
>                     Bob P.
>-- End of excerpt from BobProc@aol.com

11-SEP-1997 19:34:11.92
From: IN%"00mewhite@bsuvc.bsu.edu"  "Michael E. White"
From: 00mewhite@bsuvc.bsu.edu 
Subject: Itbaya's race [2427]
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Just back from the OTB - Itbaya get's 3rd losing by a nose-hair (do horses
have hair on their nose) to Song Song Sing with Navajo Move leading the
field to take 1st. 

More I hope from the locals that were on hand.

MikeW

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   |\/|	       Ball State University / University Computing Services
  /bb "\.     
 /   _,"\    Some assembly and C++ required. Batteries not included.
'\       Action figures sold separately.
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11-SEP-1997 19:22:16.47
From: IN%"kgrace@injersey.com"  "Ken Grace"
From: kgrace@injersey.com 
Subject: Itbaya top choice in Thorovision Sheets [2425]
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Gang,

For whatever it's worth, the Thorovision Sheets rank Itbaya as the top 
choice and Song Song Sing second.

Look's like Allan's exacta bet, and Cal's win bet, are the ways to play 
the race.

Ken G.

10-SEP-1997 23:51:36.91
From: IN%"BobProc@aol.com"
From: BobProc@aol.com 
Subject: Re: Paparouna [2415] [2422]
---------------------------------------------------

In a message dated 9/11/97 4:25:59 AM, trifectawinner@sprintmail.com (Ed
Blachaniec) wrote:

<>

Cal, or others,

Lot's to read about Paparouna's bumps, but what about her training regimen.
 Is she galloping?  Is she scheduled to work.  Or is she on hold 'til this
gets solved?

Meanwhile, best of luck to Itsy's owners tomorrow!

                    Bob P.

10-SEP-1997 21:14:58.13
From: IN%"70730.1766@compuserve.com"  "Patrick Lyons"
From: 70730.1766@compuserve.com 
Subject: Interested..... [2421]
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Hi...

My name is Pat Lyons and I live in the Western Suburbs (LaGrange). I came
across your homepage this evening, and was very interested in the
possibility of joining into a partnership. I realize that you probably only
bring in new partners at appropriate times and I'm not exactly sure how
this works. Any additional information would be appreciated. 

Thanks,

Pat Lyons

10-SEP-1997 18:11:55.40
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net 
Subject: Itsy race tommorow [2420]
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Partners,
               First it was the mention of Itsy in the horses to watch
in the DRF.......than it was Cal STEALING :;-} my exacta off
me.......And now I read in the form that STEVE KLEIN also has stolen my
exacta.......I would not call ITSY a MORTAL LOCK because she hasn't won
in two years......and sibille is up....BUT I do think that she will
breakthough with a W tomorow

                                        Allan

10-SEP-1997 17:31:16.54
From: IN%"trifectawinner@sprintmail.com"
From: trifectawinner@sprintmail.com 
Subject: So Generous [2419]
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Don VonHamel trainee, So Generous won the 9th race at AP today by 15.5
lengths. The time of 113:23 was irrelevent because of the commanding
lead. Jockey Chris Valovish was astride. The #'s were 5-3-2. She went of
at 7/10 as the favorite. Happy Trails. ED B.

10-SEP-1997 17:27:07.21
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net 
Subject: So Generous [2418]
---------------------------------------------------
Partners,
               Either the 2 year old fillies that are left at AP are
REAL bad or SO GENEROUS is the best thingsince sliced bread......I KNOW
that it is the former.....What a stupid and uncompetitive race......the
ifinal 1/16 was in 13 and change and SO GENEROUS was pulling away.....I
am BOOKING bets on SO GENEROUS in her first race against
PAPAROUNA.........THE PAPPY will smoke her...getting back to the race
here are the offical lenghts seperating the 7 horses....15
1/2.....nose.......1.......10 1/2.........4 1/2........9...yep you got
it the field was so spread out that you needed a telescope at the finish
line.

                    Allan

10-SEP-1997 12:11:20.83
From: IN%"trifectawinner@sprintmail.com"
From: trifectawinner@sprintmail.com 
Subject: Paparouna [2415]
---------------------------------------------------
Partners....Ugly. To be honest and blunt, ugly is the word that I can
come up with to describe our filly. Hundreds of bumps all over her body.
No one has the answer at this point. Medication starts today. I guess
the saying could be true. "Patience is a virtue". The 9th at AP today
was the race that I believe we were pointing towards for Paparouna. It
has a 8 horse field. Let's watch the results. I'll take #4 "You Devil"
across the board. By the way I saw our filly Wed. at 10:00 AM. Happy
Trails. ED B.

10-SEP-1997 09:26:07.96
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com 
Subject: Itbaya's Race [2414]
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Y'all,

	A very interesting race again for Itbaya.  There are
a lot of horses who can consistantly run par for the level in
this field, plus an uncertain pace scenario.  There isn't a
horse in the race Itbaya isn't capable of beating, but they're
all good enough to give her a run for the money and she'll need
a smart ride by Ray.

#1 Sunny Syrianna - Needs a pace to run at and likely not to
get it.  Earlie is back on and it looks like Jesse had no clue
what to do with the horse last time.  Has the rail and Fires,
so figures to lay close.  Still will need a career best to beat
this bunch.

#2 Nice Bet Matt - Was bet down to 9-5 in her last race and ran
last of 10.  Also needs a pace to run at and wont get it.  Will
need to move back to last year's form to win and I don't see it
happening.  Will still take money on the connections.

#3 Song Song Sing - Yet another which needs a pace.  Has beaten
the common denominator of the field (Dress Shoes) which is more
than most in here have done.  Should be kept reasonably close by
Meier and should get a good check at the end.

#4 Navajo Move - May be one of the few that go near the front end.
Low win percentage and her only scores have come against state breds.
Still, with the lack of speed in the race, this one could fall on
the front end, not be pushed and inheret a check.

#5 Happy Playmate - Looks to be the speed of the race coming out
of sprints.  However, the bloodlines on the horse reflect only
dirt and sprinting.  However, the turf course is hard now and
with not much speed in the race, this one could be cruising alone
on the lead.

#6 Itbaya - Old gal is rounding into form and is looking for a
close stalking trip in the race.  When she's right, her numbers
are tied for the best with Song Song Sing.  With a smart ride,
she should get a big check.

#7 Your Approval - Drops in and picks up the leading rider at the
meet.  Has got enough gas to get the front end if she wants it.
She doesn't last on the front end though and her best efforts
seem to be from stalking.  Numbers are still a bit low and she
doesn't really like to win.

#8 Nice Star - Likes to come from waaaaaaaaaay off the pace and
that won't be to her advantage versus this bunch.  Beat many of
these in here with a PT and that won't be in the cards tomorrow.

	I don't want to get too optimistic, but the race looks
very good for Itbaya tomorrow.  Navajo Move and Happy Playmate
should shoot for the lead.  Itbaya has more than enough speed
to clear the 1,2&3 and drop into a nice stalking position right
behind the leaders.  Your Approval will be close to Itbaya and
then the rest of the field will be back.  After five furlongs
the field will start moving in on the leaders with Itbaya and
YA first to catch them.  If Itsy doesn't get blocked she should
get the lead coming for home, YA will poop out a bit in the
stretch and the rest of the group will be coming at her.  The
most likely to run her down will be Song Song Sing.

	I would agree with Allan that the SSS<->Itbaya perfecta
box would be a good bet tomorrow.  However, it's likely that
Itsy won't get too heavily hit in the win pool and may go off
at 5-1 or greater which would call for a major win bet.

Cal

 9-SEP-1997 21:18:24.10
From: IN%"trifectawinner@sprintmail.com"
From: trifectawinner@sprintmail.com 
Subject: 1998 DATES [2413]
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Personally, Michelle and I will miss AP. Close to home, ambiance.
morning workouts etc. etc. All social stuff. On the business end we are
told that "our" horses to better at Stickney/Cicero. Thats the good
part. Another good part will be when Hawthorne gets some warm climate
dates. Tom Carey, President of Hawthorne has pulled the short straw
every year that I can remember. Mid October to December 31. This will
give him and his staff a chance to show the Chicago horsemen/women what
they can do to appease us all. Time will tell. Personally I am not to
optimistic. Losing 17 graded stakes in Illinois does not attract big
names. It leaves Sportmans and Hawthorne with I believe 4 or 5 graded
races. Michelle and I were at a private party at Hawthorne on opening
day. About 200 people. Have to report that the support for Dick D. and
AP was mixed. Oh well. Thinking about going to see the horses tomorrow.
Happy (with a tear in my eye) Trails. ED B.

 9-SEP-1997 20:45:18.63
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net 
Subject: Arlington [2412]
---------------------------------------------------
Partners,
              I have a little story tell so anybody who don't like my
stories please delete now..........I reacted with amusement regarding
the so-called closing of Arlington......Look at delaware Park.......it
was near closing.......and it is a beuatiful track (mcchump note)....so
along comes some friendly lawmakers who don't want to se the track close
and say lets put some slots in here..........racing in DELAWARE of all
places puts ILLINIOS racing to shame...When is the last time you saw a
delaware bred race......Laws must be made to faciate racing not defeat
it.......why purses where low this meet......it's called recapture my
friends so track owners could "recapture" revenue Note I put that in
quotation marks.......basiclly they are stealing money out of mouths
because of some idiotic law say they can.........and yet they continue
to lose money because who would bet big sums of $$$$$$ on the crap they
put track dayin day out....instead patrons bet on quality racing out of
state....so what is the solution you ask.....there are no pat answers to
this question
put people who have accually been to the racetrack recently on the
irb........have the TB horsemen put on a united front....all for one and
one for all and all that good stuff......don't blame the casinos for
losing business.....NJ has enough casinos in AC to kill a
hog....MONMOUTH ATTENDENCE INCREASED OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS
read that last sentence again.....they cater to the big bettor.......the
small bettor.........the families...basically everbody......I wrote a
note to Monmouth at the beginning of season regarding only two days of
AP simos......two became every weekday and now they are even simo
weekends..........Give the datin dayout outfits a chance increase purses
to a reasonable level (like us)....VOP will never have the stabe paulson
or overbook has give us and the rest of the horsepeople a chance a some
money......let a qusi-public corparation run the track......hey it works
in NJ............Lower the admision fee to the track......I paid more in
admission to AP during VOPfest Friday...used my internet coupons to get
me and Joe in paid 12 bucks for sat sun Mon.....total paid at
monmouth.....Bagel....the goose egg not a single somella....Give me
plenty o good horses
Yes monmouth had some sh*t races this year but that was the exception
not the rule.....of course when you hand out over 220,000 per day in
purse money some goodies are going to come.......Lets see Touch
Gold......Anet.....Skip Away....formal gold......We also had a day with
the Lewises BETWEEN triple crown races....and what did we have at
Arlington (besides the Million)....cheap races.small fields and
generally uncompetitive racing two good jocks got all the mounts and the
rest fought over the crumbs....oh well Ive went on with my story much
too long....if anyone disagrees or has something to add please feel free
to vent  like I just did.............
                                     Allan

 9-SEP-1997 19:49:27.25
From: IN%"debbderl@uic.edu"
From: debbderl@uic.edu 
Subject: Re: Northbound Pride Partners? [2403] [2410] [2411]
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>At 09:46 AM 9/9/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>Besides Itbaya in the 2nd, Liane has a two-year-old colt entered in the 3rd
>>on Thursday.  PROUD SCORE is bred and owned by Northbound Pride Partners.
>>(snip)
>Tom,
>
>I don't know about that partnership, but I saw the owners one day at AP in
>the morning. If he's the colt I'm thinking of, he's about 1/2 the size of
>pappy. A dark bay or black.
>
>ap
>
>>Tom C.
>>
Right, ap.  He's a small, black colt in the stall next to Louie (on the
right). He reminds me of Unsold: a pretty face and he bites!  Lianne said
that his first day at AP, Proud Score chomped Pancho really hard on the
shoulder.  This is supposed to be a good omen, because a previous horse of
Lianne's liked to bite Pancho, and ran very well.  Hoo boy, what a painful
way to predict equine performance.
Saw Poppy's hives on Sunday, and as others noted, they were awful.  Pancho
said they are using a special shampoo on her now (hypoallergenic?).
Louie looked good; still *rounding out*.
Roper was moved to the stall next to Lady Lomond.  Hopefully this will cure
his *homesickness*.
Debby D

 9-SEP-1997 18:26:21.23
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net 
Subject: Re: Northbound Pride Partners? [2403] [2410]
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At 09:46 AM 9/9/97 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Besides Itbaya in the 2nd, Liane has a two-year-old colt entered in the 3rd
>on Thursday.  PROUD SCORE is bred and owned by Northbound Pride Partners.
>Anyone know any details on this partnership?  Why do I have the feeling ice
>fishing is involved?
>
>Just curious,
>
Tom,

I don't know about that partnership, but I saw the owners one day at AP in
the morning. If he's the colt I'm thinking of, he's about 1/2 the size of
pappy. A dark bay or black.

ap

>Tom C.
>
>

 9-SEP-1997 18:02:57.46
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net 
Subject: Churn dat Butter [2409]
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Partners, 
              My second favorite 2 year old filly is running tomorrow at
Belmont in the 6th with Chop-chop up (jorge chavez).....She cost 200k
at auction...it also states that Unbridleds avg winning distance is 7.5
f ......
              Also saw the entries for tomorrow's baby race in the 9th
at AP they're trying to talk up the Von Hemel Fly so free filly SO
GENEROUS.........THE PAPPY beats her spotting her 3 lengths SEZ SO
HERE.....

                                         Allan

 9-SEP-1997 17:24:05.05
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net 
Subject: Itsy race ML [2408]
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Partners,
               Believe it or not (sorry, Mr Ripley) the ML maker made
your approval  the ML fav at 3-1.........Hey she might have needed that
race but Itbaya smashed her in her last Ditto.....for nice star the 4-1
third fav........and nice bet Matt
Itsy smashed all of them by 3 or more in her last........Itsy hasn't won
in two years so maybe thats the reason
the last time they ran together Itsy smashed 3 of these horses and beat
sing sing song by a length.......right now give me The old Itsy-sing
sing song exacta COLD AS COLD can be and screw the rest. ITSY smashed em
last time she will SMASH em again.......and also give me the 6.9k
winners share while your at it.....it's salve on the old Itsy cash
calls.......And finally GIVE ME an ITSY winners circle picture........I
WANT IT BAD!!!!!!

                            Allan

 9-SEP-1997 15:41:59.90
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com 
Subject: Re: Arlington closed for 1998 [2406] [2407]
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On Sep 9,  3:04pm, Dale E. Herman wrote:
> Subject: Re: Arlington closed for 1998 [2406]
>
> On Tue, 9 Sep 1997 ldawson@netins.net wrote:
>
> > Top story in the sports section in the Des Moines Register is about
> > Arlington closing for '98,  Prairie Meadows thinks that they are going
> > to pick up many of the horses, what do people feel about this? Do you
> > think Prairie Meadows will get many of them?
>
> Hawthorne and Sportsman's will take Arlington's summer dates.  I think a
> lot of Arlington trainers (and owners) are Illinois based and will stay.
> Today's Chicago Tribune quotes two trainers who say they will miss
> Arlington but are staying in Chicago.

	There are really very few trainers that come in anymore
for the Arlington summer meet.  I can't see many (or any) leaving
Chicago because Sportsmans and Hawthorone will run year round.
>
> There is still some chance that Arlington will run in 1998, but it's not
> likely.

	Dickie D was quoted in today's Daily Herald: "There isn't
a chinaman's chance of Arlington being open for racing in 1998".
I'm including some ramblings about Arlington and it's owner which
I've sent to the derby list earlier today.

Cal
=====================================================================
Y'all,

	It seems that a lot of folks have come to conclusions about
Arlington closing in 1998.  While some of those opinions may be proven
true over time, it should be noted that the announced closing is only
the beginning of many actions and re-actions coming over the next
few months.  I'm going to offer some observations about Arlington
and Illinois racing based off my few years experience as a bettor,
owner and breeder in Illinois.  I hope they point at a couple of
things to watch in the near future.

Chapter One - Shout it From the Mountain Top

	I guess there are a lot of ways to do business.  One of them
would have been for Arlington to write a letter to the IRB declining
the 1998 dates and be done with it.  However, Arlington chose to make
this a media event.  First thing Monday morning, FAXs were sent to all
the tracks across the country.  Dick Duchossois was on the biggest
radio station in Chicago during the morning drive slot announcing the
closure.   Every news-station in town knew to have their remote camera
vans out at the track that morning.   Uncanny, huh?   A very sanctimonious
apology took up an entire page of Tuesday's Daily Herald.  It was nicely
laid out with wonderful graphics of the track.  An to add just one more
coincidence to the mix, all of this came of the first day of seven
day a week racing in Illinois.

	Question:  If Arlington is losing money and really wants
out of racing, why go through all this expense and fuss?  Arlington
is steadfast in it's refusal to sell the track.  Perhaps Arlington
really doesn't want out of racing forever.


Chapter Two - Three Strategic Errors

	It's been called the jewel of mid-western racing and a white
elephant, but more than anything else, the new Arlington Park is a
mistake.  Built to satisfy the ego of the owner and not based off a
good read on the future business environment, Arlington Park is
slowly turning the king of the castle into a pauper because the king
didn't understand in which direction his industry was about move.
When live racing was slowing down & simulcasting was near, Duchossois
missed the signs and built a track that relied on major on-track
attendance to sustain itself.  During the week, large portions of
the facility are closed off and modifications were needed to get a
barely adequate simulcasting area set up for the bettors.

	When Arlington was going to be rebuilt in 1989, the threat
of casinos loomed on the horizon.  Mr. Duchossois felt that he and
racing could oppose them and be the only gambling game in town with
the state lottery.  He was quite wrong and instead of trying to get
VLT's to aid Arlington and Illinois racing, he fought the casino
and their lobbies which had far more money and political savvy than
he did.  Let's be fair and say all of racing in Illinois chose the
wrong way to approach this fight.

	When contrasting Arlington to the superior tracks in the
midwest (Keeneland/Churchill), it's seems that Arlington has the
newest, fanciest facility, but vastly inferior racing.  Racing in
Kentucky is superior due to the purses offered.  Arlington is
catering to new fans to come out and fill up the big, hollow facility
and buy $5.00 turkey fajita sandwiches and $2.00 Pepsis to make up
for the error in the first paragraph.  Arlington is succeeding in
that aspect, but racing is still declining.  What Arlington has
missed is that the wagering dollar drives the industry and even
if your concessions and ancillary products at the track can turn a
profit, if nobody bets on your races you lose your business and
nobody is there to buy Pepsis.

	Questions: I wonder what Arlington's ratio of employes is
between racing and non-racing jobs?  How much effort is spent on
improving racing vs. non-racing activities?  I wonder what these
ratios look like for Keeneland or Churchill?  If betting surcharges
are such a great idea, why is Arlington the only track which has
them?


Chapter Three - Big Brother is Here to Help, Honest

	Racing in Illinois is regulated by the Illinois Racing
Board.  The members of this board are directly appointed by the
governer of the state to look after the best interest of racing
in Illinois.  Until the recent addition to Gene Lamb, no member
of the board had any direct exposure to horse racing.  This panel
of amatuers came up with the seven day racing week which was
universally opposed by all the horsemen and track owners.  The
board is accountable to no one.  Their decisions are absolute.

	The governer of Illinois, Jim Edgar, has always been
referred to as a "Friend of Illinois Racing" because he owned
a few thoroughbreds with his father-in-law.  The governer was
recently forced to testify in court on bibery charges levelled
against his biggest campaign contributor.  His contributor was
found guilty and said in a post trial interview that it is (bribery)
the only way you can do business with the state.  The investigation
is still going on and the prosecution said there are more develop-
ments to come.  Jim Edgar was tagged as a potential vice-presidential
candidate to go with Dole in the previous election.  He would be
the front runner for the republican nomination for the US senate
seat in Illinois opening up next year.  However, the governer
decided to quit politics in the face of all these opportunities
and scandals.

	Questions: How does a person with no experience in horse
racing get appointed to regulate the sport?  Seeing the steady
decline of racing in Illinois over the past three years, why are
the same people empowered to regulate the industry?  Who has
contributed more to the governer's campaign, entities interested
in racing or entities interested in casinos?  Why aren't casino's
dates of operation regulated by the state?



Chapter Four - 	I am Bigger Than Racing in Illinois
				OR
		The Little Boy who Cried Wolf

	I think it can be agreed that Dick Duchossois has quite
an ego and perhaps that's necessary to be able to accomplish
many of the things he has done in his life.  However, I and many
of the Illinois horsemen and bettors find his behaviour arrogant.
He threatens to go out of business if he can't get exactly what
he wants.  He adds surcharges and extra fees which penalize the
bettors.  Mr. Duchossois said in an interview yesterday that the
only mistake he has made with Arlington Park was listening to
people who told him not to close it in 1995.  That got a cold
reception from the horsemen on the backstretch.

	Here are some quotes taken yesterday from racing fans
which appeared in today's Daily Herald.

"I really don't mind if he closes it or not"
 - Ben Savidad

"I think it's a foolish gesture on his part"
 - Jerry Hirsch

"That guy's crazy. ... They should get somebdy else to run it"
 - Fred Rosati

	My personal observation is that Arlington and Dick
Duchossois are not well liked by the local horsemen or bettors.
His treatment of these people in the past is coming back to
haunt him now.  He has little or no support from the fans,
horsemen, bettors, racing board or legislature and now is the
time he needs it the most.  He's wrung extra dollars out of
the bettors with surcharges and they have no sympathy for him.
The local horsemen were given small stall assignments in the
past when Arlington courted the big Kentucky outfits.  The
racing secretary at Arlington doesn't card the condition claiming
races or state bred races that the local horsemen want, so they
have no sympathy for Arlington.  The legislature and the racing
board are tired of hearing the same complaints.	 Right now the
best thing to make all of Illinois racing viable again would be
some tax breaks for the racing industry and VLTs for the local
tracks and OTBs.  However, some people would prefer to see
Arlington close to have some measure of vengance against Dick
Duchossois and his surcharges.  You reap what you sow.

	Arlington's owner has built a Venus D'Milo.  It's made
of marble and very beautiful, but it has absolutely no soul.

	Question: Why aren't I more upset when a racetrack where
I have seven horses stabled and is ten minutes from my house is
about to close its doors?

Cal

PS
	If anyone wants to read an excellent editorial about
Arlington, check out Mark Alesia's column in the Daily Herald
of Arlington Heights, IL.  Ray Hallett also has a good piece
on line today.  They can be found at

		http://www.dailyherald.com

 9-SEP-1997 15:07:29.32
From: IN%"herman@enteract.com"  "Dale E. Herman"
From: herman@enteract.com 
Subject: Re: Arlington closed for 1998 [2406]
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On Tue, 9 Sep 1997 ldawson@netins.net wrote:

> Top story in the sports section in the Des Moines Register is about
> Arlington closing for '98,  Prairie Meadows thinks that they are going
> to pick up many of the horses, what do people feel about this? Do you
> think Prairie Meadows will get many of them?

Hawthorne and Sportsman's will take Arlington's summer dates.  I think a
lot of Arlington trainers (and owners) are Illinois based and will stay. 
Today's Chicago Tribune quotes two trainers who say they will miss
Arlington but are staying in Chicago. 

There is still some chance that Arlington will run in 1998, but it's not
likely.

	Dale H.
 

 9-SEP-1997 11:34:52.98
From: IN%"milesm@slewpy.drf.com"
From: milesm@slewpy.drf.com 
Subject: StableMail -- Itbaya [2404]
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This is a notice from the Daily Racing Form's online StableMail which 
informs you when certain horses will be running in the near future. You  
are receiving this message because Itbaya is entered to run in the 2nd 
race at Arlington Park on September 11, 1997. For more information about 
the race, be sure to check out Daily Racing Form's web site at 
http://www.drf.com/ or view the entries for this race at
http://www.drf.com/entries/11/.html.

You also wrote the following notes about this horse: 

Other Information About this Race
---------------------------------
Race Type: 
Claiming Price for Itbaya (if applicable):  16,000
Surface: About Turf
Distance: 1 1/16 Miles
Jockey: Sibille R   
Post Position: 6  
# of horses in race: 8 
--------------------------------
If you'd like to remove Itbaya from your list of horses to watch,
go to the StableMail removal form at http://www.drf.com/stablemail/remove.html.

 9-SEP-1997 09:19:32.87
From: IN%"Amseljs@aol.com"
From: Amseljs@aol.com 
Subject: After racing [2401]
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Hello,
We learned about your organization on Horse World and I was wondering what
happens with the mares after they retire from the track? Does your
organization
plan on going into the breeding business with them - or will they just be
sold?

We wish you the best of luck at the track!

Sue

 9-SEP-1997 08:02:57.02
From: IN%"Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com"  "Cal Jestice"
From: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com 
Subject: Cash Call Correction [2400]
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To Mike Fein:

	I had forgotten to carry your late charges from June
and July over into August.  You have an outstanding balance
of $71.  Please get it to me as soon as possible.

Cal

 8-SEP-1997 21:27:15.95
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net 
Subject: News Flash AP to Close [2398]
---------------------------------------------------
V's,

I just watched the local news station report that AP is closing this
October. They interviewed baby dickie and other State and local officals.

DD claims he's losing $.
There's dancing in the streets of Stickney. Gas masks are flying off the
shelf.

Walter Jacobson reminded everyone that DD threatened the same action 2 yrs
ago and relented.

Question: Will the Vop party of 97 at AP be the last? Stay tuned.

ap

 8-SEP-1997 18:55:26.55
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net 
Subject: VOP in Magazine [2396]
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V's,

Remember that internet magazine that was going to do a story on vop?

Well, they did, and it's out in the October issue.

There's a nice picture of Cal on page 45 with Itabaya.

ap

 8-SEP-1997 18:08:51.87
From: IN%"mikep@ameritech.net"
From: mikep@ameritech.net 
Subject: fox dates [2395]
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V's,

Or Tom, could you repost the TW dates again. I recorded the 1200am one last
night but it turned out to be baseball.

ap 

 8-SEP-1997 13:42:06.81
From: IN%"ChgoRanger@aol.com"
From: ChgoRanger@aol.com 
Subject: Arlington closed for 1998 [2394]
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I heard Dicky D. on Bob Collins's show this AM (WGN for u
out-of-towners)...he says they've withdrawn their request for dates for 1998
& is closing the track for the year......

Sean

 8-SEP-1997 13:38:04.27
From: IN%"00mewhite@bsuvc.bsu.edu"  "Michael E. White"
From: 00mewhite@bsuvc.bsu.edu 
Subject: Arlington withdraws application (fwd) [2393]
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This just in from the derby list for those that haven't seen it.
I figure its a ploy of some sort on DD's part to get what he (they) want.
Though if it were true then VOP will need to be looking for other summer
venue(s).
So what's the scuttle-butt from the locals on this matter? Maybe DD's
going to bring in the dogs - we may need to act fast and be the first
(well maybe if there isn't already one) VODP
virtual-owners-dog-partnership. Or maybe Ed can bring up some Ostri to
race. (say Ed how's those eggs did you ever get any to hatch - we need to
get them in training.

--
   .  ,        Michael E. White 	Senior VAX Systems Programmer
   |\/|	       Ball State University / University Computing Services
  /bb "\.     
 /   _,"\    Some assembly and C++ required. Batteries not included.
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:26:57 -0800 (PST)
From: marys@dmtc.com
To: derby@wsnet.com, leslie@mail.dmtc.com
Subject: Arlington withdraws application

We just received a news release from Tony Rau at Arlington International
indicating that they have withdrawn their application for 1998 racing dates.

It reads, in part:

"Arlington was designed and built with the express purpose of bringing world-
class racing competition to the people of Illinois...

"However, under the current environment, and with little hope for significant
change in the future, Arlington believes it is impossible to continue operating
as a thoroughbred track without sustaining additional losses. We therefore have
made a very difficult business decision to withdraw our 1998 dates applications
and explore other options."

Mary Shepardson
Special Projects/Marketing
Del Mar Thoroughbred Club
www.dmtc.com

 7-SEP-1997 22:02:55.83
From: IN%"trifectawinner@sprintmail.com"
From: trifectawinner@sprintmail.com 
Subject: Hawthorne [2391]
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Cal......Michelle and I are going to Hawthorne Monday for opening day.
Is there anything that I have to do as far as parking passes, licensing,
etc. etc. Thanks in advance. Happy Trails. ED B.

 7-SEP-1997 21:12:05.22
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net 
Subject: Fwd: Sunday Trip [2389] [2390]
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Ed/all,
          Good ole virg......er ah.....hershel must have gotten a laugh
out of that Ed, if you ain't got no pepermints....the flash don't want
to anything to do with you......glad to Nat is doing so well....sorry to
see that Pappy still has her bees....poor thing....and the fastest thing
VOP got on 4 legs...and about Louie....I know the boy has been giving
Itsy and The Flash lessons on how to win races.....we will see this week
if some of his heart rubs off on those two he got plenty of it to
Spare.....good hearing from you Ed (he'd forget his head if t weren't
screwed on so tight) at least you made some $$$$$ so your trip was not a
total waste.

                                           Allan

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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 20:21:00 -0500
From: Sunwalker Ostrich Ranch 
Subject: Sunday Trip [2389]
To: "'All VOP'sters'" 
Message-id: <01BCBBD3.21776E60@sunwalker>
MIME-version: 1.0
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Comments: Virtual-Owners-Partnership Mailing List

  Partners,
     The weather forecast for the weekend looked so good, Dana and I decided
a trip to Arlington was a must. So we were up early to chore the birds and then
on the road, eagerly looking forward to a day at the track. We arrived about 10
and went directly to the track kitchen for breakfast.
     After eating, we headed for the barn to see the horses where things quickly
went downhill for me. First, I greeted Hershel by refering to him as Virgil. Oops!
I hate it when I do that. I wasn't sure if he wanted to laugh or knock me down.
So, I quickly moved on to the horses where I discovered the 2 bags of carrots
I had bought were still sitting at home by the door where I had set them down.
Needless to say, the horses thought we were a sorry lot with no treats. Two
strikes all ready and I hadn't even started wagering!
     Nat looked really good and was begging me to pull a treat out from some-
where.My untrained eye could not detect any swelling on her leg. She does
have an interesting tattoo on her leg that I think Cameo would admire. In des-cending order , it consists of an X, then a figure 8 laid on it's side, then a large
dot followed by a smaller dot. I think it may be an ancient Egyptian blessing
that's supposed to guarantee soundness.
    Paparouna had broken out in a fresh set of hives. The poor thing even had them on her ears. She looked sort of miserable and was glad of any attention.
I sure hope they find out what's causing the problem soon. Other than the
hives, though, she looked great. 
    Wes was skulking in the back of his stall and clearly preferred to be left
alone.
    I look at KLH's knees and can only shake my head in wonder.
    Ran into Debbie D. as we were leaving the barn area. It was great to see
you, Deb, sorry we didn't hook up again later. Also saw Cal and Sally. I 
cashed a few exactas and came home a satisfied man.
    I'm looking forward to Nat and Pappy getting into action soon.
    Later.
    Ed Blair     

--Boundary_[ID_8W1TLJDT5JAS9LGDU3i83A]--

 7-SEP-1997 20:58:59.25
From: IN%"Sunwalker@warpnet.net"  "Sunwalker Ostrich Ranch"
From: Sunwalker@warpnet.net 
Subject: Sunday Trip [2389]
---------------------------------------------------
  Partners,
     The weather forecast for the weekend looked so good, Dana and I =
decided
a trip to Arlington was a must. So we were up early to chore the birds =
and then
on the road, eagerly looking forward to a day at the track. We arrived =
about 10
and went directly to the track kitchen for breakfast.
     After eating, we headed for the barn to see the horses where things =
quickly
went downhill for me. First, I greeted Hershel by refering to him as =
Virgil. Oops!
I hate it when I do that. I wasn't sure if he wanted to laugh or knock =
me down.
So, I quickly moved on to the horses where I discovered the 2 bags of =
carrots
I had bought were still sitting at home by the door where I had set them =
down.
Needless to say, the horses thought we were a sorry lot with no treats. =
Two
strikes all ready and I hadn't even started wagering!
     Nat looked really good and was begging me to pull a treat out from =
some-
where.My untrained eye could not detect any swelling on her leg. She =
does
have an interesting tattoo on her leg that I think Cameo would admire. =
In des-cending order , it consists of an X, then a figure 8 laid on it's =
side, then a large
dot followed by a smaller dot. I think it may be an ancient Egyptian =
blessing
that's supposed to guarantee soundness.
    Paparouna had broken out in a fresh set of hives. The poor thing =
even had them on her ears. She looked sort of miserable and was glad of =
any attention.
I sure hope they find out what's causing the problem soon. Other than =
the
hives, though, she looked great.=20
    Wes was skulking in the back of his stall and clearly preferred to =
be left
alone.
    I look at KLH's knees and can only shake my head in wonder.
    Ran into Debbie D. as we were leaving the barn area. It was great to =
see
you, Deb, sorry we didn't hook up again later. Also saw Cal and Sally. I =

cashed a few exactas and came home a satisfied man.
    I'm looking forward to Nat and Pappy getting into action soon.
    Later.
    Ed Blair     

 7-SEP-1997 07:26:58.14
From: IN%"Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com"  "Cal Jestice"
From: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com 
Subject: The Scoop:  9/7/97 [2387]
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Y'all,

	There are only a couple days left until the cash call
deadline.  Please get your checks to me ASAP. 

	Lady Lomond is doing fine and is pointed towards the
7N2L at Hawthorne on the 16th.  Not much more to tell.

	Paparouna's hives come and go and she's being treated
with anti-histemines until something conclusive comes back from
the tests.  Liane and the vet believe since this fall is probably the
first time Paparouna has gone into heat, she could be especially
sensitive to a number of things.  There are no other MdSpWt races
in the current book which runs to the 19th.  However, there should
be extras carded and there's likely to be one early in the next book.

	Kristy Lynn's Halo is coming along fine and there isn't 
anything new for him.  He's got the super attitude going and drags
Hershell around the track every day.  Liane isn't ready to hazard a 
guess at his first work will be, but I'll keep everyone posted.

	Dance Naturally is back galloping and is having no 
problems with the splints.  Depending on how well she's kept
herself fit, Nat will get one or two works and then race.  It looks
good to get her back racing before the end of the month.

	Itbaya is doing great and is pointed towards the 16K
claimer on the 11th.  Entries are taken on Monday.

	Unsold is doing well also and is pointed towards the
20N2L on the 14th.  I've asked Liane to see if Gomez is avail-
able for the ride.  We wouldn't have been able to get him for
the allowance races, but we may have a shot for Sunday.  I
expect he won't get bumped and shuffled back, leaving Unsold
the entire field to pass.  Entries are taken on Friday and we'll
know then if we got Gomez.

Cal

 6-SEP-1997 18:25:40.31
From: IN%"trifectawinner@sprintmail.com"
From: trifectawinner@sprintmail.com 
Subject: VOP HOME PAGE [2385]
---------------------------------------------------
I do not know who has the responsibility (probably a big task) to update
our home page, but maybe it should have some updating. Happy Trails. ED
B

 6-SEP-1997 18:25:24.68
From: IN%"trifectawinner@sprintmail.com"
From: trifectawinner@sprintmail.com 
Subject: Horse/Jockey [2384]
---------------------------------------------------
AP's 2nd race today, leading rider decided his mount Time Lord was not
fit to ride. 1 minute before post time he came back to the paddock.
Ramiro Torres, probably one of the least wanted and/or respected jocks
on the grounds accepted the mount. Got bumped around at the start and
was in the last position.  Circled the field and won handily. It was a
$20,000 allowance race. (The leading rider was Garrett Gomez) Just goes
to show once again the importance of the horse. Happy Trails. ED B.

 5-SEP-1997 19:53:33.01
From: IN%"Falstafguy@aol.com"
From: Falstafguy@aol.com 
Subject: Hives-Blame [2381]
---------------------------------------------------
VOPers,
    I think we know who is behind Pappy's hives.  There is a certain larger %
owner who is going to be out of town on the 10th--Pappy's scheduled start.
Steve L--how could you!  My vacation starts on the 20th, now it looks as
though I will get to miss Pappy's first. I demand an investigation from VOP
higher ups. Perhaps Allan and Joe P. could team up as an independent
investigating team. I want results!!!!!!!!
   Another interesting note-- The Throughbred World show time in my area(Fox
Sports SW) is on at 5a.m. on Sept 20th, again the same day as the start of my
trip.
 I smell conspiracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                        Darrell the non paranoid

 5-SEP-1997 17:13:33.81
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net 
Subject: pappy work [2379]
---------------------------------------------------
pappy fans,
                  I am running out of superlatives for pappy....THE
PAPPY worked 102 flat on a super slowtrack (8th best of 44) WHB....(with
hives breezing)........holy moley.......

                                            Allan

 5-SEP-1997 10:06:43.23
From: IN%"joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com"  "Pacheco, Joe"
From: joe.pacheco@exsc01.exch.eds.com 
Subject: VOP Tape [2374]
---------------------------------------------------
Parnters,
For those wanting a tape of the Fox show, just email me youe address and
send me a check for $5 for the tape and postage.  My address is:

Joe Pacheco
1920 Uplands Drive
Plano, TX 75025

Joe

 5-SEP-1997 09:13:00.79
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com 
Subject: TBW schedule updated on Equibase [2373]
---------------------------------------------------
Y'all,

	The Thoroughbred World TV scheduled has been
updated for September on www.equibase.com.

Cal

 5-SEP-1997 09:07:31.28
From: IN%"jestice@pcs.mot.com"
From: jestice@pcs.mot.com 
Subject: Re: Papa's work and T World [2359] [2372]
---------------------------------------------------
On Sep 4,  4:15pm, MR JIM S FITZWATER wrote:
> Subject: Papa's work and T World [2359]
> V's,
>
>      Any word on Padre Rouna's work this morning?  Mostly concerned
> with bleeding than with the time...   Hives couldn't be caused by
> Lasix, could it?  BTW, how/when does Lasix get administered, before a
> work/race or on a steady schedule?

	Paparouna worked in 1:02:? and it was one of the top
works of the day.  The track was playing very slow, so this
was a fast time.  Liane had Paparouna scoped after the work
and she came up clean.  One more work and lose the hives and
she should be ready to race.

	Paparouna got a shot of lasix around 6AM and worked
a little after nine.  She will only get lasix before she races
or works.

Cal

 5-SEP-1997 07:20:41.71
From: IN%"ksimpson@umich.edu"  "Karen Simpson"
From: ksimpson@umich.edu 
Subject: Tape of  T World [2368]
---------------------------------------------------
Hello Joe

Thank you so much for your offer to  tape the show. I was hoping that it 
was coming on in my area but  as far as I can tell it isn't .  How much do 
you need to pay for the tape? 

Karen Simpson.

 4-SEP-1997 20:57:07.86
From: IN%"BobProc@aol.com"
From: BobProc@aol.com 
Subject: Re:  Internet Message [2362] [2367]
---------------------------------------------------

In a message dated 9/5/97 7:31:11 AM, RJVS65A@prodigy.com wrote:

<)

Jim
>>

Jim, et. al.

Yeah, I need a copy, please Joe.  Shall I send you a blank tape, or a few
bucks to cover the cost of one?  The great white north just got color TV last
year, and they're talking about maybe cable next year - so please, make me a
copy!  :-)

As for the pond, the ice is still too thin to put out our fish houses.  Maybe
next week.  We have seen the first of the caribou and polar bears making
their annual trek south, so it won't be long before we see temps below zero.
 Keep tuned to the Weather Channel.  

Planning on taking a dog sled ride to Chi-town for Paparouna's debut.  See a
bunch of yous guys then, whenever then is!

                                        Regards,
                                        Bob P.

 4-SEP-1997 18:42:17.96
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net 
Subject: Fwd: Re: Small Scoop:  9/3/97 [2355] [2364] [2365]
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--Boundary_[ID_TTZRf5uNRqgficPgMZvSaA]
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Pappy owners,
                        Doesn't seem the hives effected  (or is
affected) her speed any. in wed workouts 40 horse works 5f 5 did better
than 102 I am sure the track was playing the same today...the track
seems on the slowish side..... I am really looking forward to seeing
Pappy run for real $$$$$ soon........
                          Allan

--Boundary_[ID_TTZRf5uNRqgficPgMZvSaA]
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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 18:14:26 -0700
From: Ed Blachaniec 
Subject: Re: Small Scoop:  9/3/97 [2355] [2364]
To: Cal Jestice 
Cc: virtual-owners@vop.org
Reply-to: trifectawinner@sprintmail.com
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Thursday 6:15 PM. Just got back from the track. Paparounas' hives et al
our at an all time high. They are all over her body. Looks terrible to
the eyes. Hershell informed me this morning that she did 5f in 102:00
with Ray Sibille up. Happy Trails. ED B.      (make our an are)

--Boundary_[ID_TTZRf5uNRqgficPgMZvSaA]--

 4-SEP-1997 17:13:17.27
From: IN%"RJVS65A@prodigy.com"
From: RJVS65A@prodigy.com 
Subject: RE: Internet Message [2362] [2363]
---------------------------------------------------
Partners,
     Joe P. has graciously offered to make copies due to his 
extensive experience at ...um...reproduction.  Thanks Joe, now I can 
leave the second VCR in the basement trapped in  a web of wires.
Jim



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Jim,
As the unoffical "Repo" man, I can make some copies for partners.  
I've
go a two head VCR that can dub tapes rather quickly.  If you want me 
to
do this, send this message to the post and I'll take requests.
Joe P

>----------
>From: 	RJVS65A@prodigy.com[SMTP:RJVS65A@prodigy.com]
>Sent: 	Wednesday, September 03, 1997 7:00 PM
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>
>Joe, et.al,
>The Equibase site (www.equibase.com) has the times and regions where 

>T World will be shown.  It should be updated for Sept but I haven't 

>looked.  I've already taped it and would be happy to get copies made.
 
> I haven't tried copying between my two VCRs so I don't know what 
the 
>quality is like but if there is enough people who wants copies I'll 

>either do it at home or have someone else do it for me.  I think Bob 

>P needs a copy, I'm pretty sure Minnesota  doesn't have 
SportsChannel 
>or FOX Sports (has the pond froze over yet Bob? ;>)
>
>Jim
>
>
>
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>Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 15:21:07 -0500
>From: "Pacheco, Joe" 
>Subject: RE: Papa's work and T World [2359] [2360] [2361]
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>Partners,
>Any thoughts on the best way to find out when it is airing in our
>region?  Is there a Fox Sports homepage or something?   Any help 
will 
>be
>appreciated.
>Joe P 
>
>>----------
>>From: 	Drew[SMTP:drew@ctnet.com]
>>Sent: 	Thursday, September 04, 1997 3:26 PM
>>To: 	virtual owners
>>Subject: 	Re: Papa's work and T World [2359] [2360]
>>
>>>     Also, the installment of Thoroughbred World is out and the 
VOP 
>
>>>is the second story after Gary Stevens trip to racing Hall of Fame.
 
> 
>>>Very nice piece.  Cal and Liane explain how we work and there is a 

>
>>>couple of short interviews with Lynn C and myself.  Some faces 
that 
>
>>>popped up were Big Al, ap, Joe P., Gary L., and others.  It runs 
>>>around 4 minutes.
>>
>>Can someone please videotape this? If I can get my grubby mits
>>on a tape, I'll suck it into my computer for everyone to enjoy.
>>
>>
>>
>>====================================================
>>Give me the strength to change the things I can, the 
>>grace to accept the things I cannot, and a great big 
>>bag of money.
>>----------------------------------------------------
>>Drew Ivan                             drew@ctnet.com
>>====================================================
>>
>>
>
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From: RJVS65A@prodigy.com 
Subject: Internet Message [2362]
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Joe, et.al,
The Equibase site (www.equibase.com) has the times and regions where 
T World will be shown.  It should be updated for Sept but I haven't 
looked.  I've already taped it and would be happy to get copies made. 
 I haven't tried copying between my two VCRs so I don't know what the 
quality is like but if there is enough people who wants copies I'll 
either do it at home or have someone else do it for me.  I think Bob 
P needs a copy, I'm pretty sure Minnesota  doesn't have SportsChannel 
or FOX Sports (has the pond froze over yet Bob? ;>)

Jim



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Partners,
Any thoughts on the best way to find out when it is airing in our
region?  Is there a Fox Sports homepage or something?   Any help will 
be
appreciated.
Joe P 

>----------
>From: 	Drew[SMTP:drew@ctnet.com]
>Sent: 	Thursday, September 04, 1997 3:26 PM
>To: 	virtual owners
>Subject: 	Re: Papa's work and T World [2359] [2360]
>
>>     Also, the installment of Thoroughbred World is out and the VOP 

>>is the second story after Gary Stevens trip to racing Hall of Fame. 
 
>>Very nice piece.  Cal and Liane explain how we work and there is a 

>>couple of short interviews with Lynn C and myself.  Some faces that 

>>popped up were Big Al, ap, Joe P., Gary L., and others.  It runs 
>>around 4 minutes.
>
>Can someone please videotape this? If I can get my grubby mits
>on a tape, I'll suck it into my computer for everyone to enjoy.
>
>
>
>====================================================
>Give me the strength to change the things I can, the 
>grace to accept the things I cannot, and a great big 
>bag of money.
>----------------------------------------------------
>Drew Ivan                             drew@ctnet.com
>====================================================
>
>


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From: IN%"drew@ctnet.com"  "Drew"
From: drew@ctnet.com 
Subject: Re: Papa's work and T World [2359] [2360]
---------------------------------------------------
>     Also, the installment of Thoroughbred World is out and the VOP 
>is the second story after Gary Stevens trip to racing Hall of Fame.  
>Very nice piece.  Cal and Liane explain how we work and there is a 
>couple of short interviews with Lynn C and myself.  Some faces that 
>popped up were Big Al, ap, Joe P., Gary L., and others.  It runs 
>around 4 minutes.

Can someone please videotape this? If I can get my grubby mits
on a tape, I'll suck it into my computer for everyone to enjoy.



====================================================
Give me the strength to change the things I can, the 
grace to accept the things I cannot, and a great big 
bag of money.
----------------------------------------------------
Drew Ivan                             drew@ctnet.com
====================================================

 4-SEP-1997 15:19:37.85
From: IN%"RJVS65A@prodigy.com"
From: RJVS65A@prodigy.com 
Subject: Papa's work and T World [2359]
---------------------------------------------------
V's,
     
     Any word on Padre Rouna's work this morning?  Mostly concerned 
with bleeding than with the time...   Hives couldn't be caused by 
Lasix, could it?  BTW, how/when does Lasix get administered, before a 
work/race or on a steady schedule?

     Also, the installment of Thoroughbred World is out and the VOP 
is the second story after Gary Stevens trip to racing Hall of Fame.  
Very nice piece.  Cal and Liane explain how we work and there is a 
couple of short interviews with Lynn C and myself.  Some faces that 
popped up were Big Al, ap, Joe P., Gary L., and others.  It runs 
around 4 minutes.

Jim

 3-SEP-1997 21:03:49.00
From: IN%"Sunwalker@warpnet.net"  "Sunwalker Ostrich Ranch"
From: Sunwalker@warpnet.net 
Subject: FW: The Scoop:  9/1/97 [2346] [2356]
---------------------------------------------------
Cal (and all)
     Dana and I were sorry to miss the B-B-Q on Sunday. It was my weekend
to take care of the piggies. Plus, we now have little chicklets in the barn, so
things have been pretty busy around here. With Nat recuperating, I haven't
been able to justify spending a day at the track and I MISS IT! Hurry back,
Nat!  
     One question: Will Nat be more prone to splint injuries now that she
 has injured them once?
     Still looking forward to Pappy's debut with great anticipation!
   Ed Blair






om: 	Cal Jestice[SMTP:Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com]
Sent: 	Monday, September 01, 1997 10:50 AM
To: 	virtual-owners@vop.org
Subject: 	The Scoop:  9/1/97 [2346]

Y'all,

	Not too much to cover, so this will be brief.  Unsold's
race will be covered in a separate post.

	Lady Lomond is looking and feeling excellent.  I have no 
idea what caused the turn-around, but maybe she just figured out 
how to breath with the new nasal plumbing.  Maybe it's KLH pep-
talks or the cooler weather we've been having, but she's looking 
like a new horse (attitude-wise).  Two weeks to go for the 7N2L at 
Hawthorne.  AP has been trying to subvert Hawthorne's unique 
races by carding some thing similar a couple of days ahead of time.  
If AP starts doing state claimers, I think Lady would race here to 
avoid the risks of shipping.

	Paparouna's hives are still there and Liane is no closer
to finding the cause of them.  Papa had been getting no new feed
or medication prior to the outbreak, so most of the environmental
causes are covered.  Liane will be sending a blood sample out to
have a set of alergy tests run.  That should be back around Wed-
nesday or Thursday.  Maybe that will tell us something.  Liane is
getting a couple extra vet opinions about the hives to be sure it's
reasonably safe to work Paparouna this week.  If not, her work is
on hold and I'll report back more after the alergy test results are in.

 	Kristy is coming along just fine and is having a blast.
Since he's able to blow off some steam in the mornings, he's
much more affectionate later in the day.  He enjoyed the attention
last night at the BBQ.

	Dance Naturally's splints are still moving in the right
direction.  If she can get a few days in a row of galloping with 
no complications, her problems should be over and Liane can
go about getting a work under her and finding a race.

	Itbaya is motoring along fine.  Liane isn't sure if Itsy
will be ready for the race on the 11th, but it's possible.  Liane
is going to wait and watch the entries to see which horses will
be available for the AP races and make a call where to go with
Itsy at the beginning of next week.

	Unsold came off of his race OK and will be pointed 
towards one of the non-winners of two coming up in two weeks.
His race will be covered in a separate post.

	Please get your cash call checks to me by the 11th.

Thanks,

Cal

 3-SEP-1997 21:03:13.84
From: IN%"Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com"  "Cal Jestice"
From: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com 
Subject: Small Scoop:  9/3/97 [2355]
---------------------------------------------------
Y'all,

	Paparouna's hives are calming down and Liane will
work her tomorrow morning after the second break.  She
should be on the track a little before 9AM.  I didn't get any
details (jock, dist, etc), but the important thing is not to 
bleed through lasix.  Even if everything goes well tomorrow,
the race on the 10th is almost out of the question.  I can't
locate my book, but the next MdSpWt should be in about
10 days.

	Liane is shooting for the race on the 11th for Itbaya.
Itsy is doing well and even got a write up as a "horse to watch"
in the DRF.

	FWIW, My Blue Dawn is feeling good and looks well
spotted in her race tomorrow.

Cal

 3-SEP-1997 20:06:13.12
From: IN%"Falstafguy@aol.com"
From: Falstafguy@aol.com 
Subject: Watch Itsy [2354]
---------------------------------------------------
VOPers,
   Picked up a Daily Race Form for Thursday night at Retama and lo and behold
under the Horses to watch column for Arlington was Itbaya. It says " Hung
four wide on the 2nd turn of recent turf test before getting the lead in the
stretch. Was outfinished for first moneybut could hang on in her next".  Hope
they are correct.
   Retama has a handicapping contest each Thursday for 12 weeks. Last week I
was very weak and didn't hit the board, but I'll be back tomorrow.

                                               Darrell B

 3-SEP-1997 17:19:57.75
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net 
Subject: todays nw3 [2353]
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Partners,
               it was a horses that beat Itsy by 2 and change lengths
exacta......Mi Louisa....Dress Shoes paid 33 and change.......I don't
think the shoes will be ready in 8 days......
                                                    Allan

 3-SEP-1997 10:08:02.64
From: IN%"herman@enteract.com"  "Dale E. Herman"
From: herman@enteract.com 
Subject: Re: Fwd: StableMail -- Dress Shoes [2351]
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On Wed, 3 Sep 1997, Tom Channic wrote:

> I noticed that the field for Dress Shoes' race is 6.  Could this be a
> case where the stewards fill the race with a horse who's out hoping to pick
> up an easy check for an appearance/work?  If so, DS could conceiveably
> be back in 8 days on the 11th for a "real" race.
> 

It's a mile and an eighth - that's quite a jog.  Also, she'll probably be
no lower than the second favorite.  Don't sweat it, Dress Shoes is in this
race to win. 

Semi-related side note:  At Sunday's BBQ, Hershell mentioned that someone
from the racing office came around trying to get Itbaya to help fill out
today's NW3X.  I forget Hershell's exact wording of the Davis's response,
but it was something like, "What for, so she can lose to Dress Shoes
again?  No thanks."

	Dale H.

 2-SEP-1997 17:43:36.55
From: IN%"biggestal2@webtv.net"
From: biggestal2@webtv.net 
Subject: Fwd: StableMail -- Dress Shoes (fwd) [2348] [2349]
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Dale/all,
             I guess my discussion is moot now unless they take it off
the turf.......Oh please be ready for the 11th itsy......or the 15th if
not......now is the time for her to WIN!!!!

                                         Allan

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Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 13:40:13 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Dale E. Herman" 
Subject: StableMail -- Dress Shoes (fwd) [2348]
To: Virtual Owners Partnership 
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Comments: Virtual-Owners-Partnership Mailing List



Itbaya fans will be glad to hear that Dress shoes is running in a NW3X
allowance on Wednesday, 9/3. 


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 14:20:55 -0600
From: Daily Racing Form 
Reply-To: milesm@slewpy.drf.com
Subject: StableMail -- Dress Shoes


This is a notice from the Daily Racing Form's online StableMail which 
informs you when certain horses will be running in the near future. You  
are receiving this message because Dress Shoes is entered to run in the 7th 
race at Arlington Park on September 3, 1997. For more information about 
the race, be sure to check out Daily Racing Form's web site at 
http://www.drf.com/ or view the entries for this race at
http://www.drf.com/entries/03/APX.html.

You also wrote the following notes about this horse: 

Other Information About this Race
---------------------------------
Race Type:  Allowance
Claiming Price for Dress Shoes (if applicable):        
Surface: About Turf
Distance: 1 1/8 Miles
Jockey: Emigh C A  
Post Position: 5  
# of horses in race: 6 
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 2-SEP-1997 13:42:57.22
From: IN%"herman@enteract.com"  "Dale E. Herman"
From: herman@enteract.com 
Subject: StableMail -- Dress Shoes (fwd) [2348]
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Itbaya fans will be glad to hear that Dress shoes is running in a NW3X
allowance on Wednesday, 9/3. 


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 14:20:55 -0600
From: Daily Racing Form 
Reply-To: milesm@slewpy.drf.com
Subject: StableMail -- Dress Shoes


This is a notice from the Daily Racing Form's online StableMail which 
informs you when certain horses will be running in the near future. You  
are receiving this message because Dress Shoes is entered to run in the 7th 
race at Arlington Park on September 3, 1997. For more information about 
the race, be sure to check out Daily Racing Form's web site at 
http://www.drf.com/ or view the entries for this race at
http://www.drf.com/entries/03/APX.html.

You also wrote the following notes about this horse: 

Other Information About this Race
---------------------------------
Race Type:  Allowance
Claiming Price for Dress Shoes (if applicable):        
Surface: About Turf
Distance: 1 1/8 Miles
Jockey: Emigh C A  
Post Position: 5  
# of horses in race: 6 
--------------------------------

 2-SEP-1997 10:31:21.54
From: IN%"Mike_Sasso-CMS040@email.mot.com"  "Mike Sasso-CMS040"
From: Mike_Sasso-CMS040@email.mot.com 
Subject: RE: The Scoop:  9/1/97 [2346] [2347]
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Cal wrote about Lady Lomond:
>>I have no idea what caused the turn-around, but maybe she just figured out 
how to breath with the new nasal plumbing.<<

This is quite possible. When I first discussed recovery with Dr. Stick, he 
suggested that it would take LL approximately 2-3 races or very good works 
in order to learn to breathe again. He said that horses coming off this type 
of surgery usually stink it up in their first couple of races back and then 
crush a field at 20-1 or more in their next race. He said it's a great 
betting opportunity.

Then again, we do know that LL's tie-back isn't holding that great so it's 
difficult to be too optimistic.

Sorry I missed the BBQ on Sunday. Still in the process of moving out of my 
old house and into my new house on Secretariat Drive. Hey, if any partners 
know where I can get good racing memorabilia/stuff (like jockey statues or 
even horse statues) for my yard, please mail me. Thanks.

-Mike Sasso-
________________________________________________________
To: virtual-owners@vop.org@INTERNET
From: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com@INTERNET on Tue, Sep 2, 1997 1:54 AM
Subject: The Scoop:  9/1/97 [2346]

Y'all,

	Not too much to cover, so this will be brief.  Unsold's
race will be covered in a separate post.

	Lady Lomond is looking and feeling excellent.  I have no 
idea what caused the turn-around, but maybe she just figured out 
how to breath with the new nasal plumbing.  Maybe it's KLH pep-
talks or the cooler weather we've been having, but she's looking 
like a new horse (attitude-wise).  Two weeks to go for the 7N2L at 
Hawthorne.  AP has been trying to subvert Hawthorne's unique 
races by carding some thing similar a couple of days ahead of time.  
If AP starts doing state claimers, I think Lady would race here to 
avoid the risks of shipping.

	Paparouna's hives are still there and Liane is no closer
to finding the cause of them.  Papa had been getting no new feed
or medication prior to the outbreak, so most of the environmental
causes are covered.  Liane will be sending a blood sample out to
have a set of alergy tests run.  That should be back around Wed-
nesday or Thursday.  Maybe that will tell us something.  Liane is
getting a couple extra vet opinions about the hives to be sure it's
reasonably safe to work Paparouna this week.  If not, her work is
on hold and I'll report back more after the alergy test results are in.

 	Kristy is coming along just fine and is having a blast.
Since he's able to blow off some steam in the mornings, he's
much more affectionate later in the day.  He enjoyed the attention
last night at the BBQ.

	Dance Naturally's splints are still moving in the right
direction.  If she can get a few days in a row of galloping with 
no complications, her problems should be over and Liane can
go about getting a work under her and finding a race.

	Itbaya is motoring along fine.  Liane isn't sure if Itsy
will be ready for the race on the 11th, but it's possible.  Liane
is going to wait and watch the entries to see which horses will
be available for the AP races and make a call where to go with
Itsy at the beginning of next week.

	Unsold came off of his race OK and will be pointed 
towards one of the non-winners of two coming up in two weeks.
His race will be covered in a separate post.

	Please get your cash call checks to me by the 11th.

Thanks,

Cal

 2-SEP-1997 01:44:31.83
From: IN%"Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com"  "Cal Jestice"
From: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com 
Subject: The Scoop:  9/1/97 [2346]
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Y'all,

	Not too much to cover, so this will be brief.  Unsold's
race will be covered in a separate post.

	Lady Lomond is looking and feeling excellent.  I have no 
idea what caused the turn-around, but maybe she just figured out 
how to breath with the new nasal plumbing.  Maybe it's KLH pep-
talks or the cooler weather we've been having, but she's looking 
like a new horse (attitude-wise).  Two weeks to go for the 7N2L at 
Hawthorne.  AP has been trying to subvert Hawthorne's unique 
races by carding some thing similar a couple of days ahead of time.  
If AP starts doing state claimers, I think Lady would race here to 
avoid the risks of shipping.

	Paparouna's hives are still there and Liane is no closer
to finding the cause of them.  Papa had been getting no new feed
or medication prior to the outbreak, so most of the environmental
causes are covered.  Liane will be sending a blood sample out to
have a set of alergy tests run.  That should be back around Wed-
nesday or Thursday.  Maybe that will tell us something.  Liane is
getting a couple extra vet opinions about the hives to be sure it's
reasonably safe to work Paparouna this week.  If not, her work is
on hold and I'll report back more after the alergy test results are in.

 	Kristy is coming along just fine and is having a blast.
Since he's able to blow off some steam in the mornings, he's
much more affectionate later in the day.  He enjoyed the attention
last night at the BBQ.

	Dance Naturally's splints are still moving in the right
direction.  If she can get a few days in a row of galloping with 
no complications, her problems should be over and Liane can
go about getting a work under her and finding a race.

	Itbaya is motoring along fine.  Liane isn't sure if Itsy
will be ready for the race on the 11th, but it's possible.  Liane
is going to wait and watch the entries to see which horses will
be available for the AP races and make a call where to go with
Itsy at the beginning of next week.

	Unsold came off of his race OK and will be pointed 
towards one of the non-winners of two coming up in two weeks.
His race will be covered in a separate post.

	Please get your cash call checks to me by the 11th.

Thanks,

Cal

 1-SEP-1997 22:05:31.77
From: IN%"73774.323@CompuServe.COM"
From: 73774.323@CompuServe.COM 
Subject: Barn Report [2345]
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V's,
Visited the gang on Sunday and Monday afternoons.  Everyone seems content and
hungry (are horses ever NOT hungry?).
Steve Ostman's pretty gray Smilla is back, in the end stall previously housing
Itbaya and then Roper.
Paparouna has been given an anithistamine for her hives.  Sunday, Lianne said
that a blood sample has been sent to Kentucky for allergy testing.  If Poppy is
allergic to an inhalent (dust, mold, horse dander etc), she will get shots for
the offending item.  Today, Pancho said that the hives had improved; I couldn't
see them on the right side of her neck today, and the ones on her right side
seemed smaller.
Louie is very chipper and chummy.  His coat is looking good and he seems a
little *rounder*.
Roper, the extra-large lead pony, has been moved to the other side of the shed
row, to one of Patrick Mitchell's empty stalls.  He doesn't like it there.
Pancho told Karen Z. and I that Roper just *walked through* the chains on the
stall door, pulling out the  pins that hold the chains on Sat. evening, walked
around the shed row past the office (where Pancho was working), and was on his
way to his old stall when Pancho caught up with him.  When Pancho got to the
barn this morning, one of P.M.'s grooms told him that they had found Roper loose
again, and again had to drill new holes for the pins.  So, Roper fans....go
visit poor lonely Roper, armed with lots of carrots and apples.  I can only
imagine what Smilla thinks about these visits from Roper!
Debby D

 1-SEP-1997 18:14:44.84
From: IN%"HOOVES101@aol.com"
From: HOOVES101@aol.com 
Subject: Evan Lauro [2344]
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To whom this may concern,

My name is Evan Lauro.  I saw virtual owners on a throughbred world.  I was
wondering what is the least amount of money a person could spend to get into
a deal like this.  Please e-mail me with your response.

Sincerely,
Evan Lauro (Hooves101)

 1-SEP-1997 12:26:01.99
From: IN%"Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com"  "Cal Jestice"
From: Cal_Jestice@classic.msn.com 
Subject: Unsold's Race [2343]
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Y'all,

	Another beautiful day at Arlington on Sunday with
sunny skies and temperatures in the low 80's.  A bit too 
humid for my tastes, but perhaps The Miami Flash would
enjoy it.  

	I arrived at the track before the second race and
went searching for other VOPsters.  I wandered around 
until just before the start of the third race when I ran into
Steve Moses.  We chatted a bit about the race and the
big pick6 he was playing with a single on third leg on 
Unsold.  I wished him luck and suggested he toss in at
least one other horse, but he was set.

	During the next two races I managed to find Jeff
Yelke, Steve Lewis, Sean Callahan, Mike Sasso and family,
Debbie Derlacki & Karan Zaranka.  Several other partners
were standing around the paddock, but I never got a chance
to say hello.

	Unsold was one of the first to come out before the
race.  He was very calm in the paddock and behaved well
except for when his blinkers were added.  The Flash wasn't
happy and his new groom[1] wasn't sure of his handling.  I
wisely slipped into an unoccupied stall while The Flash fired
off with both rears at the back of the stall.  Once the blinkers
were on he calmed down, but still kept a little of his intensity.

	The jockies were to mount on the walking ring and 
as the horses were making their final lap, Fight or Flight looked
full of piss and vinegar.  I marked him as the one to worry about
during the race.  Ray came out and Liane told Ray to stay in 
the middle of the pack and start making a move at the beginning
of the turn and to be in contention at the top of the stretch.  Ray
bobbed his head and got a leg up.

	During the post parade, The Flash looked alert and calm.
He was striding well and held his head up.  Fight or Flight was 
still a bit wound up, but wasn't washing out.  No other horse in
the race looked especially good or bad.  Ray kept Unsold away
from most of the horses during the warm-up and Unsold looked
good walking up to the gate.

	At the start of the race, Unsold was hit coming out of the
gate by the fractious Fight or Flight.  He went off stride for a bit
and when he was back under control, Ray had Unsold at the back
of the pack.  Unsold wanted to run and Ray pulled him towards the 
outside so he could get a clear path.  At the quarter pole, Unsold
was two wide and next to last, twelve lengths off the pace.

	The turf was playing fast over the weekend and the 30 year 
old 8.5f track record was equaled on Saturday in a 30K Illinois bred
stakes race.  As expected Calda's Echo had a clear lead, but Shane 
did a good job at slowing down the fractions and the quarter went in 
23:4.  Down the backstretch, Shane kept slowing down the pace and 
the half was in 48:4, a remarkably slow time for the course.  This was 
big time trouble for The Flash who was stuck almost ten lengths off 
the pace.  

	Ray knew he was in trouble and started moving The Flash
towards the front, although a bit too aggressively.  Ray and The
Flash went roaring through the third quarter to move into second
while going at least four wide on the turn.  Turning for home, The
Flash was less than two lengths off the leader, but the big move
on the turn had taken it's toll.  Ray urged him on, but couldn't make
up any more ground.  The stretch drive was inevitable and The Flash
was all out to hold onto fourth.

	The race was won by North East Academy (more accurately
by Diaz who recognized the pace was slow and kept his horse near
the top).  NEA had a great trip stalking the speed and moved on by
as Calda's Echo tired.  Fight or Flight had been hanging in the second
flight of horses saved a big run for the stretch and just missed the win.
Dignify and Aiesha Powell, who Unsold had previously passed, came
rushing up to contest third.

	The third quarter of the race killed Unsold.  That quarter was
run in 24:2 and with Unsold making up eight lengths put his time for
that quarter at 22:4 (while going four wide).  The Flash had given his
all getting into contention and held on well during the stretch, all things
considered.

	After the race, I was feeling very disappointed at the effort.
I thought The Flash may have bled through lasix or had some other 
malady, but once I watched the replay a couple of times and got a
look at the charts to compute the fractions, I found that he ran a 
pretty good race.  There were two events that hurt The Flash during
the race.  The first was getting hit at the start so he couldn't get into
the right position.  Ideally, he should have been sitting in the second
tier of horses with Fight or Flight.  The second was Ray moving Unsold
too soon.  Had he held off a bit and made a more gradual move, we 
could have gotten third.  The Flash made a tremendous move during
the race, unfortunately it was a quarter mile too soon.

	Liane felt that Unsold had put in a good effort and although
she didn't say anything directly, she was disappointed in the way
Ray chose to ride Unsold after the bad start.  In her opinion, Ray
should have abandoned the game plan and gradually brought Unsold
back into contention.  Since laying a few lengths off the leaders was
out of the question after the start, Ray chose to stick to the instructions
and got The Flash into striking range at the top of the stretch, using up
his horse during the process.

	The BBQ after the race had a good turn-out.  It wasn't as
rowdy as VOP-apalooza, but everyone had plenty to eat and drink
and it carried on until dark.

Cal

Footnotes:

1. Unsold's regular groom is in Mexico on personal business for
a while.  Unfortunately, I don't know the substitute.